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A certain character from a certain sitcom from the 90's named Mimi comes to mind ;).
Laurie
I don't have any of this character but if you check under surfaces face/diffused and then image editor ,maybe the makeup is LIE and you can lower the transparence on it .... just a thought
In this case, I also dialed out the HD morph and the wrinkle crease went away. However, I didn't render either one, so I can't yet say how the normal maps affect them.
Haven't made a good render of her yet. She looks really angry and hard. Still working on her
they succeeded in her character then
Huh. I think this is interesting…
LOL
Okay. For those of you who do not like her makeup, you'll be happy to know it's all Diffuse Overlay. So are her eyebrows. The black eyeliner you see in a "no-makeup" view isn't eyeliner at all. It's the base of the eyelashes. Her lashes are extremely thick, and the default load is 100% Curl and Length. Just setting these to 0% makes a big difference. But if you don't like the thick lashes, try swapping Sydney's lash trans map with one from another G8 character.
She loads a bit too shiny, imo, and her lips are even shinier, giving the illusion of lipstick. She also loads with the highest of her three translucency settings. If you aren't into the dark tan look, apply the lowest setting. After I was happy with the skin, I copied the Face material settings, (in the Surfaces->Editor,) and pasted them onto the lips to get a more natural, less glossy look.
I have no problem with tweaking the material zones to my liking, or creating my own makeup options, swapping eyelash trans maps, etc. And I really love the HD Add-on and the way it transforms her skin into that of a mature woman. But I hate, HATE, her breasts.
There is an unnatural flat area on both breasts, looking more like she is pressed slightly up against a flat surface. In this render, (where the artist even comments on the "breast sculpt,") it is minimized by the camera angle, but in this render, it is really obvious thanks to the high contrast between her arm and the red dress. Try as I might, none of the morph sets I have, (including one from Zev0!) could fix the problem.
I believe this is something that should be fixed.
The flat spot isn't centered over the areola and nipple, either. It's toward the inside. Adding depth to the aerola will not correct the problem. The upper part of the breast swells a bit, as if the breast is being squished slightly, (again, as if it's pushing up against a flat surface,) then the flat area, and below that rounded. I know of no bra that will do that, (nor would I buy one that did!)
Here are some wire shaded viewport draws also showing the issue.
In spite of the problem with the breasts, I'll be keeping Sydney 8. I seldom use makeup on my gals, so the included "Mimi" makeups aren't an issue; The no-brow base material is perfect for the many fiber mesh brow products I have; Her skin is wonderful, and lends itself well to even lower translucency settings than those included; And I can reduce the size of the breasts with one of several morphs I have, (though the flat spot remains.) I've yet to try the characters based on her, but I have high hopes, especially for Mousso's Alabama!
As I mentioned in the post above, it turns out the makeup uses the Diffuse Overlay settings. I did try to reduce the weight, to see if that would help. Sadly, it did not. At least not to my liking. YMMV
I wasn't too sure about Sydney but decided to take the plunge and grab her and Melinda, love her look, think she will be one of my favs!
Quick render of Sydney/ Melinda
thats for riding against her man or woman on the motorcycle
A small section of Olympia 8 Normal map; as you can see, that detail at the base of the breast will cause creasing. As, what appears to be, an uncompressed tiff, it will have lots of detail too.
i think she held her breath too long
@nicstt, I think there is a misunderstanding based on the use of the word "wrinkle". Sydney is an older gal and she has lots of wrinkles, which I love. However the issue with the breasts if one tries to use the HD morph with the G8F Base Female is a crease in the mesh. Here is an image I put together in Photoshop from saving viewport draws that should show you exactly what I mean. Normal Maps are off. I have not tried the HD on any other figure/character morph.
As many of us like to use the face of one character with the body shape of another, it's important to know about this in advance. I think it would be great if there were a separate morph to dial this out, kind of like the Nose smaller morphs for Ollie and Edie, so the HD morph could be used with other body shapes,
I've gone back to my earlier posts and changed wrinkle to crease, for clarity.
maybe she's based on women that have had breast enlargements/reductions uplift seen a few images of real life women that have and kinda look like that
No. They render flat, too. I love everything else about her. It's a shame the HD morph has the crease problem around the breast, as well. One solution would be to use Sydney and dial out the body shape and keep the HD morph for the details in the skin. But with the crease under the breasts, that will be limited to situations where the area under the breasts is fully covered. No bikinis! lol
This one perplexes me. The base has a very distinct well done older skin appearance, which I like. It's even listed as a selling point in the write up. So why then does every character made for her launch have smooth picture perfect 18 year old skins? IMO this makes 0 sense. Make a character and then immeadialty remove all traces of what made the character unique. Isn't there already 9,014 perfect skins out there on the various females? It feels to me like they missed the mark on this one. If it had more implied age range appropriate alternate characters i'd have been all over this one for the diversity.
*editied for bad spelling*
Agreed. Ive been using two additional morph packs (also including Zev0's) in addition to the Daz morphs to try and fix her breast issue. Im still not happy with the results.
but the HD is made for Sydney... does that mean it will work on any other character correctly? I know there were some HD compnents from other characters that did not work 100% either ... I had asked about this in another thread and was told it should work but not always. I figured that is becasue its not made for other characters really. it would be nice if they all did, but then why would we buy any other? yesah, amybe for diversity, but unless doing closeup stuff, most of the time its not realll pertenent anyway.
All HD morphs work on the base figure, although the end results may not be to your liking since it was designed to work with the figure morph and textures of the figure it was designed for. I add the Alexandria and Victoria HD morphs all the time to other characters to add more detail.
Try this. I dont know if you have the morph packs that I do but ill list them out. This seems to be an alright adjustment to the wonky breasts. See if maybe you can make some better adjustments. Im still not ok with the sculpt but I think this is at least an improvement.
DAZ morphs:
Breasts Small = 20%
Breast Control:
!Breast Under Smoother 4 = 35%
Breast Height Upper = -30%
Breast Sag 1 = 30%
Breast Sag 2 = 100%
Breast Under Height = 20%
Breast Under Weight = 20%
Areola Depth = -50%
Center Gap Width = 20%
Breast Utilities for G8F:
Breast Pointy = 100%
Nipple Move Horizontal = 100%
Natural Breast Morphs for G8F:
Breasts Depth = 10%
Can never have too many morphs... Im sure some of these can be substituted if you dont have the same morph packs.
This combo seems to make a better shape to start anyhow. Id show some renders, but that wont work, nude at least. I think its silly that we cant even post renders to demonstarte a bug, error.
The HD is made for Sydney, yes, and will probably work best with Sydney's shape, and especially with her skin. Forehead wrinkles, for example, will correspond with the wrinkles in the skin materials. However, if I use a different body shape for her but keep her skin textures, the HD will help to accentuate the imperfections of the character. But with that crease under the breasts, I'll have to make sure that area is clothed.
I've had pretty good success using an HD morph not specifically for a character. If the hands are going to be prominent in an image, I like to use HD. I'd say the more unique the character, the more likely there will be issues.
Thanks. I'll give it a try. Anyway, you can do what I did to get an image. Set your Draw Mode for the viewport to Wire Shaded, go to the File Menu and select Save Last Draw, and then Daz Studio will save a copy of the viewport. That can show the shape of the breast without violating the TOS.
The two added Pro Bundle characters apparently have nothing to do with Sydney. It seems they were added merely to fulfill the usual requirements of Daz Core bundles.
Thanks for highlighting the underboob crease issue, L'Adair, and for posting your remedy, AnotherUserName.
Youre welcome folks. And for all the new Daz people who might be thinking that they will have to dial in a bunch of morphs every time they want to use Sydney or another character, do this instead. When you are satisfied with the adjustments that you have made to the character save as a character preset. There will be some options to choose from, I just leave everything default. Daz will create a preset that you can use that will load the character with all of the changes that you have made.
Honestly, im still on the fence. I think Sydney is possibly my favorite Daz base now. The whole HD and breast issues really kind of annoy me though. Im thinking I might return her and point out those issues as the cause.
Of course if daz would like to respond here in our little old thread and let us know what the plan of action is, that might change my mind entirely (one way or another).
Has anyone put in a ticket? I noticed the flat breast issue too and don't have all the morphs above to fix it. I tried, but they still look less than spectacular. Also, the crease under the breast NEEDS to be fixed. If it were a PA item, they'd be made to fix it. Daz should fix this.
Laurie
The issue with the crease under the breasts only occurs when using the Sydney 8 HD morph without the Sydney 8 base shape. Daz may not consider that something to fix. It works just fine with Sydney. The biggest reason I have for wanting it to work with other body shapes is the problem with the breast shape on the base morph.
I agree the breasts' shape should be fixed. Maybe if all of us file a ticket complaining about how unnatural it is, and how difficult it is to morph into a more pleasing shape, Daz will oblige us with a fix. (But I'm not going to hold my breath.)
Ok. Ill file a ticket tomorrow morning.
Hello All,
I am just poking my head in here as well and I too am very interested in buying Sydney as I like her overall look, but then I was reading this thread about the breast issues. Now am I correct in saying that this issue is only with the HD overlay? Otherwise is Sydney fine without using that overlay?
As it is, what I don't like is that the HD overlay is something you have to pay extra for. As it is, most of these figures Daz releases just seem WAY too expensive. Initially it is OK, but even with the release break Syndey on her own is about $22.
Even though I am fairly new to Daz, I realized quickly that I was better off just buying morph packages and do the work myself and make my own characters...which was the intention anyway. However, the morph packages I have don't have many morphs to age the body and I wanted to create an older, but still pretty woman. So my first attempts at this is pretty much a failure. In fact I am even too embarrassed to post my first attempt! I know with the Skin Builder package, that will take care of most of the skin / surface aging issues. But things like wrinkles and how the face is shaped when it is aged, then I need the morphs for that. So in a nutshell, buying an older character will get the basics and then I can fine tune with the morphs. Even though Sydney is very detailed, aged well and still looks attractive, I do agree in regards to the Orange Oompa Loompa spray tan look. In terms of Daz's creations, I would say that I like the Alexandra 8 package best. In fact I do like the Pro Bundle for Alexandra better than that the one for Sydney. But even with my Platinum Discount the pro bundle is $94!! So I am going to have to wait for a sale on her.
The only downside with Alexandra is that she doesn't seem to be old enough...like if I want to do an older 'witch' look or something like that. With Sydney, I am sure I can 'dial in' as much of the aged look I want and then go back to my morphs and adjust as necessary.
I do admit if someone did create an 'aged' add on for Zelara, I would go for that myself. Her skin is perfect! I can see a few wrinkles here and there, some nice crows feet around the eyes and of course the laugh lines around the mouth. She would be an awesome looking older woman.
In the meantime I found this package:
https://www.daz3d.com/ej-daisy-and-malmorda-for-genesis-8-female
The discount with PC this came to $13.17. Almost $10 cheaper than Sydney and you get TWO older ladies. I read the description and this package comes with four different skin tones, going from pale to spray tan. You need the female morph package for this to work with the body. I am going to say that after buying this, the looks of these ladies are NOT as stellar as the pictures show. I was hoping that 'Daisy', the heavier set woman with her more pleasant face that I could work with her to make her a bit more attractive. So that is a work still in progress. The other woman I am not sure if I could make her pretty, however, her face structure is excellent for an evil witch or scorceress.
So I am just bringing that up in the event others are looking for an alternative.
I would still buy Sydney as well if I saw what others did with her, but I mainly would like to know what she would look like without the HD package as I am NOT spending $22 for the model and then ANOTHER $17 for the HD overlay, and from what I understand from reading this thread, that it has issues on top of it.