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  • theflarftheflarf Posts: 151

    I'd be interested in buying the character if I could get the alt shapes, but I will not be buying a pro bundle when at most I might make use of one outfit

    Shame but oh well, more money saved.

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,173

    Diomede said:

    ... and (b) I blew my 3D budget on the 'build your own old content bundles' during the Daz+ summer sale.  I am looking under the sofa cushions and behind my dresser to see if I can scrape together enough change for another purchase.

    The coupon for an extra discount for a Daz+ item pushed me over the edge.  I got the Van Helsing 9 bundle using the coupon and the tokens from all my Dazaholic purchases during the summer sale.  Now, where was that tutorial on lighting for night scenes? 

  • doubledeviantdoubledeviant Posts: 1,151
    edited July 2023
    richardandtracy said:
    I do think some of the base character promos look quite good. However, for some reason none are selling the character to me. I vaguely felt the body shots looked like 'a well muscled young man with a plant-on chest to make a him into a her'. I do realize that first reaction is not entirely fair, but first reactions do matter. She also looks related to V9 in a similar way to the way that all Mousso characters look related, but does have all and more of the muscle tone V9 lacked & needed. Regards, Richard.
    I agree that she looks a bit mannish in certain promos, but overall I find her shape to be a significant improvement from previous G9Fs. Neck, upper back, shoulders, and arms - problem areas for many/most G9 characters - seem to look better here and strike me as more feminine than prior efforts. I can see her as a believable enough representation of a woman that (without steroids or other "enhancers") trains for strength on a regular basis - such as an elite soldier... or a vampire hunter. ;)

    She's leaps and bounds more appealing than Joan and Freja, at least. And (in the bundle) has a softer alternate shape.

    I've consistently passed on Victoria 9, so a similarity in facial features isn't a problem for me. To be honest, she feels like the "real" Victoria 9 to me and will probably function as such in my library, being one of the very few non-toon Daz Originals core G9 characters that I've purchased. And with "new Vicky" coming soon after Olympia 9 (which I also like more than previous G9 characters), this almost feels like a rebirth or second chance for G9. That's probably too optimistic, but hey, I'll entertain the notion while it lasts.

    It would be nice to see a "new Michael 9" soon, one that looks less like George Clooney or Antonio Banderas and more like Michael 7/8, with a better body shape and more masculine face. Preferably an athletic build in the same age range as Van Helsing 9, with older and younger versions. Dracula 9, perhaps?
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  • jd641jd641 Posts: 459

    sid said:

    I go the pro bundle with the banner, because I wanted the alt shapes. Probably a smart move on Daz's part to make them Pro bundle exclusive, but only they can see the sales figures.

    I dunno if it's smart or not but it was a good way to piss me off. hahah

    I bought the main Olivia 9 morph and the alternate shapes cause I was worried they'd remove them like the Olympia ones that were up for sale but quickly removed. The amount of additional mixing that can be done with the young and old morphs really add a lot of options for creating of lot of different age groups now so not everyone is the same age, which is why I was really hoping the alts would be something anyone could buy but I was wrong. :(

    I wonder though, since I have the alts for Olivia can I get an appoximation of the alts for VH9's young and old morphs (not counting the face texture's). Does anyone who has both alt products feel like trying this out, I'm very curious if it could work.

  • PetraPetra Posts: 1,154

    sid said:

    vwrangler said:

    Surprised that they don't seem to have a promo that shows how she combines with different shapes.

     

    I think that's as much as we get.

    Her body scuplt seems nice. No noodle arms.

    Wish her alt shapes came seperate, that's all I want!

    May I ask what * alt shapes * are?  

  • doubledeviantdoubledeviant Posts: 1,151
    Petra said:

    May I ask what * alt shapes * are?  

    The Pro bundle includes "Van Helsing 9 Alternate Shapes":

    - Van Helsing Young alternate shape

    - Van Helsing Old alternate shape
  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 5,947

    Petra said:

    May I ask what * alt shapes * are?  

    @Petra What Daz calls the youth/aged morph add-on package included with the Olympia, Olivia, and Van Helsing Pro Bundles.

     

     
     
  • PetraPetra Posts: 1,154

    xyer0 said:

    Petra said:

    May I ask what * alt shapes * are?  

    @Petra What Daz calls the youth/aged morph add-on package included with the Olympia, Olivia, and Van Helsing Pro Bundles.

     

     

     

    Oh, I see, thank you so much for the reply.:) 

  • PixelSploitingPixelSploiting Posts: 898

    Making alternate shapes limited to pro bundles is not smart, but is anti-customer. So what a bundle has a few flat boots outfits if it's a bundle with a very narrow theme not everyone might care about?

    Oh, yes, I'm totally going to buy an overpriced bundle chock full of items I have zero interest in to get to actual matching age morphs for a character whom you'll probably never use as a vampire hunter. Very smart.

    I'll rather see if I can get anything comparable using other aging morphs than I will ever support this Daz scheme.

     

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,755

    I really want Van Helsing, but I also want the alternate shapes, so I will wait and see if they are ever released by themselves and not in the pro bundle since I have no interest in the rest of the pro bundle, so no, not a smart move on DAZ's part.

  • sidsid Posts: 439
    edited July 2023

    jd641 said:

    sid said:

    I go the pro bundle with the banner, because I wanted the alt shapes. Probably a smart move on Daz's part to make them Pro bundle exclusive, but only they can see the sales figures.

    I dunno if it's smart or not but it was a good way to piss me off. hahah

    I bought the main Olivia 9 morph and the alternate shapes cause I was worried they'd remove them like the Olympia ones that were up for sale but quickly removed. The amount of additional mixing that can be done with the young and old morphs really add a lot of options for creating of lot of different age groups now so not everyone is the same age, which is why I was really hoping the alts would be something anyone could buy but I was wrong. :(

    I wonder though, since I have the alts for Olivia can I get an appoximation of the alts for VH9's young and old morphs (not counting the face texture's). Does anyone who has both alt products feel like trying this out, I'm very curious if it could work.

     

    There seems to be genuine difference between the sculpts of the young versions of the two characters. (That's not to say you couldn't create something quiet comparble with just the base VH, just would take a bit more fiddling than I've done here.)

    Samples only about 30% rendered to fit in on my lunch break.

    Here’s young VH next to young Oliva, but I’ve applied adult VH’s skin mat’s over the top of young Oliva on the right:

     

    Here’s young VH next to adult VH with VH adult mats on the right, but adult VH has had the young Oliva dials in, plus the same overall proportion dial adjusted to replicated how young-VH loads.

    Dials for comparison, default young-VH dials on the first imageand the dials I used to to create a younger version with only the default-adult VH HD base and young-Oliva pictured second  (in the recreated version I did apply the Olivia proportion dial  and overall proportion dial to -23%, but left the other proportion dials for neck, feet, hands all unchanged, as the Olivia proprotion dial seemed to replicate them and she looked over-corrected if I applied as young-VH has dialled - basically, I ignored almost all of the orange dials)

    Typing this up makes me feel very tongue tied!

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  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,762

    A lot of Victorian era created characters are falling into public domain  so expect to see more of these. Everywhere.

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,173
    edited July 2023

    FirstBastion said:

    A lot of Victorian era created characters are falling into public domain  so expect to see more of these. Everywhere.

    Similarly, the current demarcation year for movies is 1927/28, so movies made in 1927 or before are public domain.  Note - when movies are derived from books, pay attention to the advantages and disadvantages.  The book's rights might not match up with the movie; for example, the moviemakers could have paid for the right to make a movie from the books before the book rights went public domain.  Or, the movie could have been made from a public domain book.  Either way, one might be in public domain while the other is not.  When Hammer Studios made its Christopher Lee/Peter Cushing Dracula and Frankenstein movies, they consciously avoided the visuals, etc of the Universal versions from the 1930s (not public domain when Hammer made horror movies), and reimagined the costumes and sets based on the source books (available to Hammer Studios).  So, if you are inspired to render some swashbuckling, or zany comedy, or melodramatic cliffhangers, or action chariot races, there are plenty of inspirational examples on or before 1927 in the movies. With the source book caveat in mind, here are some examples of movies and film shorts that are in the public domain.  

    Douglas Fairbanks - Thief of Baghdad - 1924 - 

    Keystone Cops - many movies before 1927 - Here is one compilation with commentary (so this video itself is not public domain) of some Keystone Cops scenes - 

    Charlie Chaplin's Little Tramp - Gold Rush 1925 - 

    Pauline White - Perils of Pauline 1914 - 

    Ramon Navarro - Ben Hur: A tale of the Christ 1925 - 

     

     

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,173
    edited July 2023

    Note, there are silent vampire movies in public domain, eg Nosferatu (1922).  But the Bela Lugosi version of Dracula (1931) that more people are familar with has a few more years before it is public domain.  Keep that in mind, Van Helsing fans.

    - Nosferatu 1922 - 

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,229

    Diomede said:

    Note, there are silent vampire movies in public domain, eg Nosferatu (1922).  But the Bela Lugosi version of Dracula (1931) that more people are familar with has a few more years before it is public domain.  Keep that in mind, Van Helsing fans.

    - Nosferatu 1922 - 

    LOL I did this using Stable Diffusion 

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,173
    edited July 2023

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Diomede said:

    Note, there are silent vampire movies in public domain, eg Nosferatu (1922).  But the Bela Lugosi version of Dracula (1931) that more people are familar with has a few more years before it is public domain.  Keep that in mind, Van Helsing fans.

    - Nosferatu 1922 - 

     

    LOL I did this using Stable Diffusion 

    You are amazing, Wendy!  

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  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,124

    I just saw the https://www.daz3d.com/playsuit-outfit-for-genesis-9 in the New York Times newsletter on Taylor Swift on a concert stage. Not the same texture of course but I would watch for that outfit might have to be classified as an Editorial License since it may have been made just for her concert tour. No idea if it could or not, but it might.

    Taylor Swift just had her concert here in Denver last Friday/Saturday and it went over huge with fans and the community. And when she left, she donated enough money for Food Bank of the Rockies to feed 75,000 meals to those who need them. And now our news outlets are asking Swifties to donate to their local food banks too, to thank her for a great concert and her donation.

     

  • jd641jd641 Posts: 459

    sid said:

    jd641 said:

    sid said:

    I go the pro bundle with the banner, because I wanted the alt shapes. Probably a smart move on Daz's part to make them Pro bundle exclusive, but only they can see the sales figures.

    I dunno if it's smart or not but it was a good way to piss me off. hahah

    I bought the main Olivia 9 morph and the alternate shapes cause I was worried they'd remove them like the Olympia ones that were up for sale but quickly removed. The amount of additional mixing that can be done with the young and old morphs really add a lot of options for creating of lot of different age groups now so not everyone is the same age, which is why I was really hoping the alts would be something anyone could buy but I was wrong. :(

    I wonder though, since I have the alts for Olivia can I get an appoximation of the alts for VH9's young and old morphs (not counting the face texture's). Does anyone who has both alt products feel like trying this out, I'm very curious if it could work.

     

    There seems to be genuine difference between the sculpts of the young versions of the two characters. (That's not to say you couldn't create something quiet comparble with just the base VH, just would take a bit more fiddling than I've done here.)

    Samples only about 30% rendered to fit in on my lunch break.

    Here’s young VH next to young Oliva, but I’ve applied adult VH’s skin mat’s over the top of young Oliva on the right:

     

    Here’s young VH next to adult VH with VH adult mats on the right, but adult VH has had the young Oliva dials in, plus the same overall proportion dial adjusted to replicated how young-VH loads.

    Dials for comparison, default young-VH dials on the first imageand the dials I used to to create a younger version with only the default-adult VH HD base and young-Oliva pictured second  (in the recreated version I did apply the Olivia proportion dial  and overall proportion dial to -23%, but left the other proportion dials for neck, feet, hands all unchanged, as the Olivia proprotion dial seemed to replicate them and she looked over-corrected if I applied as young-VH has dialled - basically, I ignored almost all of the orange dials)

    Typing this up makes me feel very tongue tied!

    Whoa that's a lot of work, thank you!

    Looks like getting approximations are possible with a lot of work but if I wanted an old or a young VH proper I would have to buy the pro bundle which kinda sucks. Oh well... I can't afford that hahah, I can just hope that future alt's are not exclusives and anyone can buy them.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 5,947

    Looks like to me that the Young Adult Head morphs are basically the same, and if you have one you have enough. I've noticed that a Young Adult Van Hesling plus 50% of a Mousso or Just Spitey character gives me a V4-era Thorne doll face.

  • sidsid Posts: 439
    edited July 2023

    Here is Van Helsing Elder HD loaded on the left. On the right I've loaded base Van Helsing, then I've dialed up Oliva's Elder dials (Included with the Olvia Aternative shapes are three 'Older' dials 'Body Older HD, Older HD, and Head Older HD)

    In the older range there seems to be more variation

    These are the active dials for VH Elder

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  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 5,947

    Thanks, sid!

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