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Need advice on PC configuration.

TryhardTryhard Posts: 166
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Sometime ago I was propsed this PC setup for Daz3d rendering/gaming.

What is your people take on this?

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/msnKvK

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  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,376
    edited April 2016

    Well, you should get an nVidia video card with at least 4gb video memory instead of the Radeon. The Radeon card doesn't support Iray and all your rendering would be slower CPU rendering instead of GPU. The GTX 970 4GB would be in about the same price range or even better is the GTX 980 ti and if you want to go all out get a 12GB GTX Titan ti.

    That said nVidia is going to come out with a new card with improved architecture (Pascal); so, you might want to wait for that.

    Post edited by Charlie Judge on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 40,627
    edited April 2016

    ...wow, that's a pretty expensive homebuild, over 2,600 USD based on the current exchange rate. 

    Charlie, did you mean the 980 TI?. 

    On the site the EVGA 980 TI lists for 568£ (832 USD)  The EVGA 970 is listed at 268£ (406 USD)

    The consumer market Pascal GPU that is to be released (designated the 1080) soon will still employ GDDR5 instead of HBM 2 memory and have relatively the same form factor as a 980 TI (a big unit).  The first 16 GB HBM 2 Pascal GPU's to be released this year will only be Tesla compute units.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,376
    kyoto kid said:

    ...wow, that's a pretty expensive homebuild, over 2,600 USD based on the current exchange rate.

    Charlie, did you mean the 980 TI?.

    On the site the EVGA 980 TI lists for 568£ (832 USD)  The EVGA 970 is listed at 268£ (406 USD)

    The consumer market Pascal GPU that is to be released (designated the 1080) soon will still employ GDDR5 instead of HBM 2 memory and have relatively the same form factor as a 980 TI (a big unit).  The first 16 GB HBM 2 Pascal GPU's to be released this year will only be Tesla compute units.

    I have clarified my post above. I thank the 970 would be the lowest they would want to go (but still a good alternative) with the 980 being  better and the Titan being best.

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586

    This is the one I'm currently leaning toward, although I will probably add a second video card for rendering and leave the main GTX 960 to handdle the monitors. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/H9TdNG

  • Peter FulfordPeter Fulford Posts: 1,325
    Dzonatan_6a9af47420 said:

    Sometime ago I was propsed this PC setup for Daz3d rendering/gaming.

    What is your people take on this?

    http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/msnKvK

    By changing the core of your proposed system, you can save significantly more than half way to the cost of a GTX 980ti. You'll have a system that is way better for gaming and DAZ Studio Iray rendering, and be almost as good as your listed spec for non-Iray rendering (and video editing, etc). It'll also be more up to date and a bit faster on its feet in normal use.

    CPU - Intel i7 6700K 4Ghz 4 core - £281

    MB - Asus Z170 "Pro Gaming" - £126

    RAM - Kingston Fury Black 32GB (2  x 16GB) - £110

    SSD - Samsung PM951 M.2 512GB PCI-e - £120

    HDD - WD Blue 3GB - £82

    That comes to £719, which is £128 cheaper than the £847 of the Haswell-E based system. You can pick up a 980ti for £510, which is £170 more than the AMD R9 390X. For 42 quid more than your current budget, you'll be way ahead. That could easily land within budget by making some sacrifices on the peripherals (that's easy for me, as a non-gamer).

    DAZ seem to be very keen on Iray as the prime render engine for Studio, so that's the focus for now.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,604

    I am anxious to see how my system I get next week does for rendering (and especially gaming!!)

    I get good renders from luxrender, but it usually takes over night and I can get good CPU iray renders for small basic scenes with my current Intel Core i7 930 system with an older NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT, but hopefully the new rig should be a much better experience, plus the new OS should let me finally use the latest version of Luxrender which didn't support Vista

    Intel Core i7-6700K, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 - 4GB, 16 GB [8 GB x2] DDR4-3000 ADATA Memory, Win 10 pro and an ASUS Z170 deluxe board all for $1700 (tax refund) with a few discounts and upgrade specials including free shipping (Ibuypower)

  • joseftjoseft Posts: 310
    Peter Fulford said:
    Dzonatan_6a9af47420 said:

    Sometime ago I was propsed this PC setup for Daz3d rendering/gaming.

    What is your people take on this?

    http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/msnKvK

    By changing the core of your proposed system, you can save significantly more than half way to the cost of a GTX 980ti. You'll have a system that is way better for gaming and DAZ Studio Iray rendering, and be almost as good as your listed spec for non-Iray rendering (and video editing, etc). It'll also be more up to date and a bit faster on its feet in normal use.

    CPU - Intel i7 6700K 4Ghz 4 core - £281

    MB - Asus Z170 "Pro Gaming" - £126

    RAM - Kingston Fury Black 32GB (2  x 16GB) - £110

    SSD - Samsung PM951 M.2 512GB PCI-e - £120

    HDD - WD Blue 3GB - £82

    That comes to £719, which is £128 cheaper than the £847 of the Haswell-E based system. You can pick up a 980ti for £510, which is £170 more than the AMD R9 390X. For 42 quid more than your current budget, you'll be way ahead. That could easily land within budget by making some sacrifices on the peripherals (that's easy for me, as a non-gamer).

    DAZ seem to be very keen on Iray as the prime render engine for Studio, so that's the focus for now.

    pretty much what he said.

    If you plan to use it mainly for rendering and normal gaming with 1 video card, then going to a skylake (lga 1151) based system would be far better for you. Spend the extra on a better Nvidia video card for iRay.

     

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,376
    edited April 2016
    FSMCDesigns said:

    I am anxious to see how my system I get next week does for rendering (and especially gaming!!)

    I get good renders from luxrender, but it usually takes over night and I can get good CPU iray renders for small basic scenes with my current Intel Core i7 930 system with an older NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT, but hopefully the new rig should be a much better experience, plus the new OS should let me finally use the latest version of Luxrender which didn't support Vista

    Intel Core i7-6700K, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 - 4GB, 16 GB [8 GB x2] DDR4-3000 ADATA Memory, Win 10 pro and an ASUS Z170 deluxe board all for $1700 (tax refund) with a few discounts and upgrade specials including free shipping (Ibuypower)

    It sounds similar to the system I just got:  Intel(R) Core™ Processor i7-6700K 4.00GHZ 8MB Intel Smart Cache, EVGA Superclocked ACX 2.0 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 PCIe video card,  32GB (16GBx2) DDR4/2800MHz Dual Channel Memory, Win 7 Pro with free upgrade to Win 10 Pro,  MSI Z170A Gaming Pro CARBON ATX motherboard, 2 TB hard drive, and Corsair 850 watt power supply. all for $1450 from Cyberpower.  I am still getting it set up but so far I like it.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 17,944

    I'm not sure how much more capable the 970 is than the 960 and it maxes out at 16GB RAM but this can be had for $875USD

    http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PYZI8E/ref=gno_cart_title_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 40,627
    Peter Fulford said:
    Dzonatan_6a9af47420 said:

    Sometime ago I was propsed this PC setup for Daz3d rendering/gaming.

    What is your people take on this?

    http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/msnKvK

    By changing the core of your proposed system, you can save significantly more than half way to the cost of a GTX 980ti. You'll have a system that is way better for gaming and DAZ Studio Iray rendering, and be almost as good as your listed spec for non-Iray rendering (and video editing, etc). It'll also be more up to date and a bit faster on its feet in normal use.

    CPU - Intel i7 6700K 4Ghz 4 core - £281

    MB - Asus Z170 "Pro Gaming" - £126

    RAM - Kingston Fury Black 32GB (2  x 16GB) - £110

    SSD - Samsung PM951 M.2 512GB PCI-e - £120

    HDD - WD Blue 3GB - £82

    That comes to £719, which is £128 cheaper than the £847 of the Haswell-E based system. You can pick up a 980ti for £510, which is £170 more than the AMD R9 390X. For 42 quid more than your current budget, you'll be way ahead. That could easily land within budget by making some sacrifices on the peripherals (that's easy for me, as a non-gamer).

    DAZ seem to be very keen on Iray as the prime render engine for Studio, so that's the focus for now.

    ...Not sure about the quality of MSI vs EVGA.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 40,627
    edited April 2016
    nonesuch00 said:

    I'm not sure how much more capable the 970 is than the 960 and it maxes out at 16GB RAM but this can be had for $875USD

    http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PYZI8E/ref=gno_cart_title_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

     

    ...never depend on a notebook for serious 3D rendering.  Cooling is extremely poor compared to a tower.

    I'm currently running with 12GB and frequently find the render process going into "swap mode" which is even slower and puts excessive wear and tear on the HDD.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • Peter FulfordPeter Fulford Posts: 1,325
    kyoto kid said:
    Peter Fulford said:
    Dzonatan_6a9af47420 said:

    Sometime ago I was propsed this PC setup for Daz3d rendering/gaming.

    What is your people take on this?

    http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/msnKvK

    By changing the core of your proposed system, you can save significantly more than half way to the cost of a GTX 980ti. You'll have a system that is way better for gaming and DAZ Studio Iray rendering, and be almost as good as your listed spec for non-Iray rendering (and video editing, etc). It'll also be more up to date and a bit faster on its feet in normal use.

    CPU - Intel i7 6700K 4Ghz 4 core - £281

    MB - Asus Z170 "Pro Gaming" - £126

    RAM - Kingston Fury Black 32GB (2  x 16GB) - £110

    SSD - Samsung PM951 M.2 512GB PCI-e - £120

    HDD - WD Blue 3GB - £82

    That comes to £719, which is £128 cheaper than the £847 of the Haswell-E based system. You can pick up a 980ti for £510, which is £170 more than the AMD R9 390X. For 42 quid more than your current budget, you'll be way ahead. That could easily land within budget by making some sacrifices on the peripherals (that's easy for me, as a non-gamer).

    DAZ seem to be very keen on Iray as the prime render engine for Studio, so that's the focus for now.

    ...Not sure about the quality of MSI vs EVGA.

    Not sure why you're addressing that statement to my post.

  • TryhardTryhard Posts: 166
    edited April 2016
    Charlie Judge said:

    Well, you should get an nVidia video card with at least 4gb video memory instead of the Radeon. The Radeon card doesn't support Iray and all your rendering would be slower CPU rendering instead of GPU. The GTX 970 4GB would be in about the same price range or even better is the GTX 980 ti and if you want to go all out get a 12GB GTX Titan ti.

    That said nVidia is going to come out with a new card with improved architecture (Pascal); so, you might want to wait for that.

    I see... I feel like I screwed up with the first post though because I didnt gave enough information about what kind of renders I'm thinking off.

    What I plan to do is combine all those things:

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/40700/

    http://www.daz3d.com/daz-studio-as-an-artists-tool-reference-for-lineart

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/56420/share-solution-how-to-convert-mmd-s-motion-data-into-ds

    In order to pretty much create MMD-like dance videos or personal motions that would closely resemble my traced colored linearts I have here:

    http://dzonatan.deviantart.com/gallery/ (note: Yeah I know last 3d renders look afwul. I tried to figure out how to make flatish anime renders with shadows while completly masking any traces of 3D like in my previous works)

    With that being said. Is Iray grade equipment neccesary? I'd imagine I will definetly need some top tier equipment just for the sake of 2 kinects and too speed up rendering time of lenghtly things like flat colored animations.

    Post edited by Tryhard on
  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,585

    It looks like you may need 3Delight for some of those techniques.

    That makes the 6-core a good idea. Adding an nVidia card to that would give you options for Iray as well.

  • TryhardTryhard Posts: 166
    edited April 2016
    prixat said:

    It looks like you may need 3Delight for some of those techniques.

    That makes the 6-core a good idea. Adding an nVidia card to that would give you options for Iray as well.

    Actually what I had in my mind was:

    1) make a flat color render

    2) Then make a pure lineart render

    3) turn lineart render into transparent lineart render

    4) Put both together

    5) Draw over eyes, mouth and and other small details to make it less  stocky

     

    I still have to figure out how to fully emulate anime highlights/shadows without needing to hand correct.

    Doubt it's possible since Anime shading at times is simply unrealistic and too stylized to be emulated.

    Post edited by Tryhard on
  • chickenmanchickenman Posts: 1,202

    If you look at Carrara to use the toon tools that are available for it it does provide some nice renders.

    Here are some examples

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/59150/carrara-challenge-18-graphic-novel-winners-announced/p1

    And the WIP thread to show how to do it.

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/57301/carrara-challenge-18-graphic-novel-wip-thread-now-open/p1

     

    you can get Carrara cheaper with PC+ account for around $65.

  • Capt-FlashbackCapt-Flashback Posts: 37
    Dzonatan_6a9af47420 said:
    prixat said:

    It looks like you may need 3Delight for some of those techniques.

    That makes the 6-core a good idea. Adding an nVidia card to that would give you options for Iray as well.

    Actually what I had in my mind was:

    1) make a flat color render

    2) Then make a pure lineart render

    3) turn lineart render into transparent lineart render

    4) Put both together

    5) Draw over eyes, mouth and and other small details to make it less  stocky

     

    I still have to figure out how to fully emulate anime highlights/shadows without needing to hand correct.

    Doubt it's possible since Anime shading at times is simply unrealistic and too stylized to be emulated.

    Might try http://www.daz3d.com/camera-magic-toonycam-pro - I've used it and it works for cartoon scenes. Uses a lot more of your CPU & memory than video cards. There's also skin and hair shaders available in DAZ that will help.

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