Loading...
> >

urgent: Daz Indie Game Developer License question

pkappeteinpkappetein Posts: 506
in Technical Help (nuts n bolts)

Since it's on sale now for $112  when I take some other products.

Does this allow me to use  original Daz titles, and Daz Titles with another name,  to use in my  products and release them for the public..

I would never make more then $100.000  from what I saw..

Just wanted to make sure before i purchase it.

Thanks

Comments

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    Yes, but only the DAZ Originals (with or without the 2nd name)   There are specific restrictions as to how the content is prtotected within your game, to stop otheres extracting it.

    Specifically   

    3.0 Daz Commercial Real-time Addendum

    The terms of this addendum 3.0 are in force only when User has purchased a “Game Develoer License” from the online Daz store.

    The terms of this addendum 3.0 apply to all products the User has purchased via his/her online Daz store account that can be identified in the online Daz store using the following criteria:

     

    • The “Artist” field in the product page for the Content lists one of the Artists as: “Daz Originals”
    • The “Artist” field in the product page for the Content lists one of the Artists an artist which corresponds to the Game Developer License purchased by User.

    All Content that can be identified according to the above criteria shall hereinafter be referred to as “CRT Content”. The terms of this addendum 3.0 do not apply to any other Content.

    Modified Terms of Use. This section replaces Section 1.0 Bullet 5: “TERMS OF USE” for CRT Content ONLY.

    Two Dimensional Works. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, User may (i) incorporate, copy and modify the CRT Content in the creation and presentation of two-dimensional animations and renderings which may require access to the CRT Content by the User’s customer during electronic execution of the User’s application, and (ii) incorporate two dimensional images (including two dimensional images that simulate motion of three dimensional objects) derived by User from the CRT Content in User’s other two-dimensional works, and (iii) publish, market, distribute, transfer, sell or sublicense such two-dimensional animations, renderings and other works; provided that User may not in any case: publish, market, distribute, transfer, sell or sublicense any renderings, animations, software applications, data or any other product from which any CRT Content, or any part thereof, or any substantially similar version of the CRT Content can be separately exported, extracted, or de-compiled into any re-distributable form or format. All other rights with respect to the CRT Content and its use are reserved by Daz and its licensors. User warrants and is responsible to ensure that the CRT Content used in User’s applications are not available to end users in their native formats and that every effort is made to protect the CRT Content from theft or copyright infringement by employing technology, asset protection, encryption or any other resources at User’s disposal.

  • pkappeteinpkappetein Posts: 506

    Thank you.

    Well, they won't be able to extract images out of it.

    So I am safe then, once I have this license, and  there is  Daz Originals  or  Daz Originals, Stonemason   or whatever combined with Daz,  then I am good.

     

     

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited August 2016

    It is not purely images that DAZ 3D are worried about, it is the actual mesh of the objects used.   This is what they mean by "The CRT Content"

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,120
    pkappetein said:

    Thank you.

    Well, they won't be able to extract images out of it.

    So I am safe then, once I have this license, and  there is  Daz Originals  or  Daz Originals, Stonemason   or whatever combined with Daz,  then I am good.

     

     

    Stone Mason Game Development license is not included. The product must say 'DAZ Original'

  • pkappeteinpkappetein Posts: 506

    I know about Stone Mason,  I just needed a name from the top of my head :)

    but what I was aiming at was  2 names, and 1 of them was Daz Originals.

    Oh The CRT.  Not sure what that all means (I'm a newbie on that part),  but it's plain images for now..  like Hidden object games.

     

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    nonesuch00 said:
    pkappetein said:

    Thank you.

    Well, they won't be able to extract images out of it.

    So I am safe then, once I have this license, and  there is  Daz Originals  or  Daz Originals, Stonemason   or whatever combined with Daz,  then I am good.

     

     

    Stone Mason Game Development license is not included. The product must say 'DAZ Original'

    The OP is talking about products like this    http://www.daz3d.com/greek-ruin

    Which are Daz Originals but give credit to the PA who made them

  • pkappeteinpkappetein Posts: 506
    Chohole said:
    nonesuch00 said:
    pkappetein said:

     

    Thank you.

    Well, they won't be able to extract images out of it.

    So I am safe then, once I have this license, and  there is  Daz Originals  or  Daz Originals, Stonemason   or whatever combined with Daz,  then I am good.

     

     

    Stone Mason Game Development license is not included. The product must say 'DAZ Original'

    The OP is talking about products like this    http://www.daz3d.com/greek-ruin

    Which are Daz Originals but give credit to the PA who made them

    ok, so those I cannot use, since it has Stone mason in it,  but I can with others combined with DAZ right? or am i mis understanding this

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,130
    pkappetein said:

    but it's plain images for now..  like Hidden object games.

    So are you only going to use the renders, and not the actual 3D models? Then you may not even need a game developer license. Read through the normal license very carefully.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    pkappetein said:
    Chohole said:
    nonesuch00 said:
    pkappetein said:

     

    Thank you.

    Well, they won't be able to extract images out of it.

    So I am safe then, once I have this license, and  there is  Daz Originals  or  Daz Originals, Stonemason   or whatever combined with Daz,  then I am good.

     

     

    Stone Mason Game Development license is not included. The product must say 'DAZ Original'

    The OP is talking about products like this    http://www.daz3d.com/greek-ruin

    Which are Daz Originals but give credit to the PA who made them

    ok, so those I cannot use, since it has Stone mason in it,  but I can with others combined with DAZ right? or am i mis understanding this

    I was actually posting that comment to nonesuch00, who didn't seem to have realised that you had specifically mentioned products which were DOs with a PA credited.   As long as they are DOs they can be used with a Daz 3D games Dev license even when there is another PA named.

    And as Ati has said, if you are only using rendered images for the time being, then you shouldn't need a Games Dev license.  You only need that if you are actually using the geometry files, the Mesh objects themselves.

  • pkappeteinpkappetein Posts: 506

    Ooh  ok..

    So with still images it's ok.

    but if I have like  Victoria 4, and just the model, and make it animation video from it,  then i need the license?

     

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    No animation is OK as well.   It is only games which actually use the mesh object itself that need the license. 

  • pkappeteinpkappetein Posts: 506

    Guess, I don't know what is meant with Mesh ?

    Call me stupid :)

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    It's the actual object itself, like when you load a character into Daz, then pose and animate it.

    For example, old school nintendo Mario games would be fine as they are just a series of rendered images. Something like Call of duty would need a dev license since it's actual 3d models.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,120
    edited August 2016
    pkappetein said:
    Chohole said:
    nonesuch00 said:
    pkappetein said:

     

     

    Chohole said:
    pkappetein said:
    Chohole said:
    nonesuch00 said:
    pkappetein said:

     

    Thank you.

    Well, they won't be able to extract images out of it.

    So I am safe then, once I have this license, and  there is  Daz Originals  or  Daz Originals, Stonemason   or whatever combined with Daz,  then I am good.

     

     

    Stone Mason Game Development license is not included. The product must say 'DAZ Original'

    The OP is talking about products like this    http://www.daz3d.com/greek-ruin

    Which are Daz Originals but give credit to the PA who made them

    ok, so those I cannot use, since it has Stone mason in it,  but I can with others combined with DAZ right? or am i mis understanding this

    I was actually posting that comment to nonesuch00, who didn't seem to have realised that you had specifically mentioned products which were DOs with a PA credited.   As long as they are DOs they can be used with a Daz 3D games Dev license even when there is another PA named.

    And as Ati has said, if you are only using rendered images for the time being, then you shouldn't need a Games Dev license.  You only need that if you are actually using the geometry files, the Mesh objects themselves.

    I saw no mention of any specific Stone Mason product in the original post and I checked the original post once again. I said DAZ Originals are included. I said a Stone Mason Game Development license is not included. That is not the same thing. Stone Mason does have products that are not listed as DAZ Originals for which a Stone Mason Game Development license would need to be purchased.

    With a 2D image that is i pixels high on Y axis by j pixels wide on the X axis that is area i*j pixels or a sequence of such images whether in electronic format or printed format - no game development license is needed.

    With a 3D model the most simplified is i pixels high in Y axis by j pixels wide on the X axis by k pixels deep on the Z axis to define a 3D image with approximate volume i*j*k a game development license is needed.

    With both of those the programmers do simplify them and make them easier to manipulate and compress but that's beyond the scope of your immediate interests. If not, head over to CGCookie and do studying there.

    Basically a image, render, or movie is 2D and you don't need the extra licenses. A model, a mesh, a character, a figure, a animal, a person, clothing, props, environments, architecture, buildings, vehicles, and so on are all 3D products and need the extra game development licenses.

    Post edited by nonesuch00 on
  • pkappeteinpkappetein Posts: 506

    guess i am confused now.

    So, if I have like Victoria  and i make an animation,  it looks like 3D  ,  so i do need a license then.

    Guess what Chohole said ain't true then ?

     

     

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    no, an animation is only 2d It's the same as a series of images played in rapid succession

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,204

    They are refering to the actual polygonal 3D models themselves used to render the images or videos.

    A 3D game actually uses meshes, models not rendered images or videos to make it work.

    However a 2D game only uses rendered images or sprites made from them and is ok without a license.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,120
    pkappetein said:

    guess i am confused now.

    So, if I have like Victoria  and i make an animation,  it looks like 3D  ,  so i do need a license then.

    Guess what Chohole said ain't true then ?

     

     

    No what she said was true but she didn't pay attention that the information about the specific product you were talking about was not available to me when I answered but never-the-less my answer is still correct. So maybe you edited you original post and she didn't realize my post is correct in the information it states. Or the somewhat ambiguous and poorly written second post of yours can easily be read two ways. You should make more effort to clearly write what your questions even if you find that inconvenient and wordy.

    I said nothing about needing a Stone Mason Game Development license in addition to a DAZ 3D Game Development for DAZ Originals products. You need a Stone Mason Games Development license for Stone Mason products, just as I said. And so on with other PA products that are not DAZ Originals.

    What she said and what I said is correct except that she thinks I was telling you that I told you you need a Stone Mason Game Development License and a DAZ 3D Game Development License for a DAZ Originals product that has Stone Mason listed as the product creator. She is wrong. I didn't say that, but no big deal. 

    Anyway, an animation that is a sequence of 2D images, in electronic or printed form, you need not worry about any game development license. MP4, AVI, MK4, and other video file formats need no license. 

    Most people only purchase a game development license only do so to make games in Unity 3D, UE4, Blender, Lumberjack, Cry Engine, Stringray, and other game engines. It's non-sensiscal to buy a game development license if you are not making a game.

    http://www.daz3d.com/eula

  • pkappeteinpkappetein Posts: 506

    Aah ok..

    Thank you all for, and sorry if i made it so confusing.

    Now I know that I can use it in my programs :)

    Better be safe then sorry.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,120
    pkappetein said:

    Aah ok..

    Thank you all for, and sorry if i made it so confusing.

    Now I know that I can use it in my programs :)

    Better be safe then sorry.

    Yes, all the different formats and jargon makes it difficult to keep track of what the jargon being used at any particular point in time for all these technological niches is referring too. Making a 3D animation for a 3D TV is still really just a 2D animation movie.

Sign In or Register to comment.