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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157
    edited September 2021

    Load the texture maps to the custom leaf grid.

    Save the custom grid leaf to the custom leaf browser folder.

     

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157
    edited September 2021

    Tree - Time to add the leaf to a tree.

    Start a new medium scene.

    Insert the default tree.

    Go to leaf tab.

    Select the default leaf.

    Click remove.  The branch should have no leaves in the preview.

    Click Add - the custom folder should be included in the menu, in my case Dio Leaves.

    Choose the saved leaf grid and accept the option for including the shader.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157
    edited September 2021

    Default Tree with Custom Leaf - Test render

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,168
    edited September 2021

    you can use Philemo's cutouts to make leaves and plants of course too

    some great resources here https://www.heritagetype.com/pages/free-vintage-illustrations

    and here is one of my photos of a foxglove

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    OBJs for Export

    Save the tree to the custom plant preset folder.  

    Start a new scene.  Load the custom plant from the preset folder.

    Use the Assemble Room Edit Menu to convert to another modeler, in this case vertex model.

    Enter the vertex modeler and select all.  

    Untriangulate the model.

    Return to Assemble room and duplicate.

    Choose the first and enter the vertex modeler.  Do not edit the master; instead, choose create a new master.

    Select the by shading domain, choose the leaves, and delete.

    Export the trunk/branches as an obj and use the Daz Studio preset

    In assemble room, select the duplicated plant.  Enter the vertex modeler.  Create a new master.

    Select the leaves.  INVERT to select the trunk and branches.  Delete.

    Export the leaves as an OBJ using the Daz Stduio preset.

     

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    Test if Trunk and Leaves Fit Together in Daz Studio and if Leaves Texture Maps Correct

    Start new Studio scene

    Inport the trunk obj and use Carrara preset

    Repeat for leaves obj

    In surfaces tab, apply the IRAY uber shader to each obj

    In surfaces tab, load the diffuse map in the leaf color channel

    In the surfaces tab, load the alpha mask in the cutout opacity channel

    In the main room confirm that the alphas of the leaves appear to be working.

    Test render of leaves 

     

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    NOTE - There is a standard Daz Studio Content system for folders.  The texture maps would have to go to a runtime / textures folder.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157
    edited September 2021

    Editing the Trunk and Branches in ZBrush, 3D Coat, or similar

    The fully textured leaf canopy 'fits' the trunk and branches.  The trunk and branches can be sent to a sculpting program to make additional edits, especially creating normal maps oor displacement maps for the bark.  Speaking of bark, bark can be painted on using Substance Painter or similar.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    Reserved for ZBrush or 3DCoat

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    Reserved for Substance Painter or similar

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    Reserved for Final Folder Structure and Test Loading in Daz Studio and Poser

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    Headwax said:

    Wow wow and wow! Thanks for all this. A veritable wiki on trees :) 

    as an aside, have you tried replicating trees on the branch tips of another tree?

    from memory you add a new shader on the tips of the mother tree branches and replicate on that shader 

    That is a good idea.  I have tried replicatin branches on a tree I tried to model in the vertex modeler but not on one converted from the plant modeler.  Thanks for the suggestion.  Worth some more experimentation.

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    you can use Philemo's cutouts to make leaves and plants of course too

    some great resources here https://www.heritagetype.com/pages/free-vintage-illustrations

    and here is one of my photos of a foxglove

    Thank you very much for the resources.  Excellent.  Will experiment some more.

  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 9,976

    Diomede said:

    Headwax said:

    Wow wow and wow! Thanks for all this. A veritable wiki on trees :) 

    as an aside, have you tried replicating trees on the branch tips of another tree?

    from memory you add a new shader on the tips of the mother tree branches and replicate on that shader 

    That is a good idea.  I have tried replicatin branches on a tree I tried to model in the vertex modeler but not on one converted from the plant modeler.  Thanks for the suggestion.  Worth some more experimentation.

    look forward to the results , wasnt my idea, many years ago someone was developing the idea as a commercial product for carrarar , never saw the light if day i think, and the user dissappeared . He used to do nice car renders , worked commercially with 3d too i think, had a sleek user name that i cant recall ! 

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157
    edited September 2021

    Here is a proof-of-concept for using a surface replicator with a Carrara plant modeler tree.  

    - I inserted a hybrid tree that I've used for other stuff and removed all the leaves, bark is a gray-ish color.

    - I added a sphere colored red.

    - I added a surface replicator and applied the sphere to the whole tree.  Seems to work as expected.

    - I then limited the surface replicator to only the 'branch2' domain.

    - The spheres replicated only on the outer branches.

    My initital thought is that replacing leaves with branches, etc, and applying to either the outer branches, branch 1 or trunk, is a viable option.

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  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 9,976

    very nice work Diomede

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157
    edited October 2021

    Dug this old model out of my pile of models.  It is mostly spline objects.  It was made for a monthly challenge.  Trying to break through some minor lack of creativity.  This robot needs a project.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 9,976

    Diomede said:

     

    gee you must be old, that guy looks like Bruce Dern - 

    nice Bot too.

    I used to do illustration Friday for inspiration - seek and yeah shall find 

    Not sure if this is it?

    I used to be chomping at the bit to find out what the week's topic was. Then there was Monday Art day I think...

    Welcome to Illustration Friday - The Art of Education University

     

     

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    Some more leaf experiments.  Here is an idea to have two leaves per Carrara leaf, each at different angles so at least one shows up in any camera angle.  Hope you can see the uvmap in the pic with the mesh.  I can't share this leaf because I got these particular oak leaves from the web for proof of concept.  If I get OK results with this approach then I will share when I use some reference leaves I took myself.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    And here is a comparison of applying my custom dual leaf (oak leaf) to the Carrara content included oak leaf.  

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  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 8,539

    Diomede said:

    And here is a comparison of applying my custom dual leaf (oak leaf) to the Carrara content included oak leaf.  

    Looking good !!!

  • mschackmschack Posts: 337

    Nice solution!  Always wished they implemented random leaf angles...

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157
    edited October 2021

    Halloween season.  Decided to model a carved pumpkin.  Started with a sphere and used booleans, which I usually try to avoid.  Then relied on trangulate > N and the smoothing subdivide to get back to quads.  In hindsight, I did not have enough vertical sides for the pumpkin but I think the expression turned out OK.  The shaders are all procedural.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157
    edited October 2021

    And the cap fits.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,168

    Souper cheeky

    get it laugh

  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,043
    edited October 2021

    that is one cool pumpkin... yes

    my eldest granddaughter loves pumpkin soup... 

    how did you cut the top off?

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157

    Thanks, Wendy and Stezza.  For the booleans, i used the front orthoganal camera and drew on the back drawing plane.  I drew the shape I wanted to cutout using the polyline tool.  I extruded the polyline to get a mesh for the boolean tool instead of trying to mess with the cut tool.  To make the cap fit, I saved a copy after I extruded the polyline but before I applied the boolean.  I then did the boolean twice, once for the main pumpkin and once for the cap.

  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 9,976

    Diomede said:

    Thanks, Wendy and Stezza.  For the booleans, i used the front orthoganal camera and drew on the back drawing plane.  I drew the shape I wanted to cutout using the polyline tool.  I extruded the polyline to get a mesh for the boolean tool instead of trying to mess with the cut tool.  To make the cap fit, I saved a copy after I extruded the polyline but before I applied the boolean.  I then did the boolean twice, once for the main pumpkin and once for the cap.

    nice work and thanks for the detailed explication :)

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,157
    edited December 2021

    Here is what I am currently working on.  A castaway island.  Am having some hiccups along the way.  For example, Carrara freezing up.  

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