Iray Blonde

bueller1998_df4ca4b697

I am not sure whether to suggest this under product suggestions or technical difficulties. While Iray has given us some deep colors, blondes are really difficult. Some of the brunette renders I've achieved have been among my best ever. But for blondes, they are either too dark, or they look Grandma white. Older products can render better blonde under Iray, but you often see a clear skullcap down to the bangs line. I bought an iray hair shader product off another site (by a top seller on Daz3d also) who admitted after I purchased them the blondes in his Iray hair shader promo images were post-work. 

Blondes and whites are difficult with real world lighting. But TV and film makes them work in a way 3Delight could render, but Iray can't.

I could be more specific and link some images and tell you what products and shaders I'm using, but I don't want the impression I am calling any artists out. I think it is more of an Iray issue that the creative community needs to catch up to, but hasn't under the blonde hair category.  

What is going on with regards to making blondes work better from either the rendering perspective, lighting perspective or content creation perspective?

Richard Haseltine

Blonde hair may show the effects of translucency and back-scattering more than darker tones, which are hard to mimic well with the usual layered approach to hair making. Also, I find a lot of Iray settings on hair a bit too shiny and again lighter colours will exagerate that.

bueller1998_df4ca4b697

 

Richard Haseltine said:

Blonde hair may show the effects of translucency and back-scattering more than darker tones, which are hard to mimic well with the usual layered approach to hair making. Also, I find a lot of Iray settings on hair a bit too shiny and again lighter colours will exagerate that.

So how do you get artists creating 3d hair to take that into consideration as they are developing products? Turn shine down on blonde is a good tip, but how can Daz3d facilitate that better in the initial products?  I am not sure how to manually turn down shine, but some shader products have shine options. Or would turning shine UP on darker blondes be a possible soultion?   I will save any content I receive from this thread into a file and hopefully be able to figure out how to turn down shine. But it is above my pay grade, which is why I buy products here.

nonesuch00

What you are seeing is are ash blondes and tonally to get an ash blond with you need are different layered shades of very light muddy brown with usually a bit of straw yellow. Ash blonds look like they have light brown hair in most cases not white hair. Platimum blonds usually have quite a bit of yellow, although very, very  light yellow and the ash tones are less. To get more of a straw colored blond you need to include so layers with light muddy yellow. And often blonds have a honey (yellow-orange) in their hair.

The DAZ hair blonde products I have seen have all been ash blondes failing towards too much white.

To get a good ideal what true natural blond hair variance looks like look at the color pictures in your grade school year books and class pictures and then edit the hair shaders and textures in DAZ to match the type hair colors you are after. 

Petercat

nonesuch00 said:

What you are seeing is are ash blondes and tonally to get an ash blond with you need are different layered shades of very light muddy brown with usually a bit of straw yellow. Ash blonds look like they have light brown hair in most cases not white hair. Platimum blonds usually have quite a bit of yellow, although very, very  light yellow and the ash tones are less. To get more of a straw colored blond you need to include so layers with light muddy yellow. And often blonds have a honey (yellow-orange) in their hair.

The DAZ hair blonde products I have seen have all been ash blondes failing towards too much white.

To get a good ideal what true natural blond hair variance looks like look at the color pictures in your grade school year books and class pictures and then edit the hair shaders and textures in DAZ to match the type hair colors you are after. 

Thanks, nonesuch00. I feel old now. All of my year books are in black-and-white.
Probably Daguerreotype, now that I think of it..

nonesuch00

Petercat said:

nonesuch00 said:

What you are seeing is are ash blondes and tonally to get an ash blond with you need are different layered shades of very light muddy brown with usually a bit of straw yellow. Ash blonds look like they have light brown hair in most cases not white hair. Platimum blonds usually have quite a bit of yellow, although very, very  light yellow and the ash tones are less. To get more of a straw colored blond you need to include so layers with light muddy yellow. And often blonds have a honey (yellow-orange) in their hair.

The DAZ hair blonde products I have seen have all been ash blondes failing towards too much white.

To get a good ideal what true natural blond hair variance looks like look at the color pictures in your grade school year books and class pictures and then edit the hair shaders and textures in DAZ to match the type hair colors you are after. 

Thanks, nonesuch00. I feel old now. All of my year books are in black-and-white.
Probably Daguerreotype, now that I think of it..

oh well. I saw some kids in Wal-Mart the other day and I had forgotten hair can naturally be that blonde although a few adults keep it that blonde through adulthood, it's not common. Just look around next time you shop or google some examples or watch children's educational television.