Bug with Measure Metrics
Drogo Nazhur
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The best way to explain this is with an image. I created a character and took her measurements using the Measure Metrics ( http://www.daz3d.com/measure-metrics-for-daz-studio ) package and got the results shown in the image on the left. Then I decided to make her hips wider and when running the package again, the numbers reflected that her hips now measured less (image on the right) when it can be clearly seen that the hips are bigger and not smaller.
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Looks like it according to the metrics was the waist & not the hips that were made bigger & it looks bigger because the hips got made smaller in the process.
What i wish is they would update this product so one could go through and enter all these measurement metrics in advance and then apply them to a DAZ character model, even via a script.
"Hips" are what holds your shorts up, around the belt-line... You are pointing to the outter thigh. (Ignoring the fact that her panties are not on her hips, but on her thighs.)
That bump protruding from her abdomen, which runs-over to her thigh-muscle, where the panties are resting, is actually the "hip". (Common to say "my hips are big", when talking about thighs and buttocks.)
Remember the "hip bone is connected to the thigh bone"... Thus, it is behind the thigh, protruding above it, between the thigh-muscles and the abdomen laterals. The "Iliac Crest", is commonly the "Hips" of a person, which we see, externally.
Also, are you talking about "Girth", which does not count actual "width" of just one view, but the "width" as a measurement around the whole structure. (Not that any program is perfect. It could be taking short-cuts.)
Thank you for the comprehension explanation but there still appears to be something wrong. The only change that I made from the left image to the right image was to change the lower hip number from 0.5 to 0.75 -- everything else remained untouched. Yet the image on the left shows the thighs to be 49.5 while the image on the right has them at 43.3 -- they shouldern't have gotten smaller and, more importantly, they don't even LOOK smaller.
I really like this package (especially since I paid full price for it and it is now on sale for 72% off) ... I hope the author sees this thread and makes the fix AND adds a "thighs and buttocks" measurement -- is there a way that we can put in such a suggestion?
So you didn't try adding anew controls for a measurem,ent in Figure Metrics, you made a single parameter change and then reran the script? You are right that overlaying the two images, 17 Thigh Circumference is visually larger on the right but is measured as larger on the left, although it does look as if the inner thighs may also be pulling apart. Exactly which morph did you use to make this change?
How are you using this? If you just want to read out the sizes then look at the Measure Metrics pane - Figure metrics is used to adjust the targeted properties to their desired values - you have to assign morphs where there isn't already an assignment, and check that entry in the list to tel Figure Metrics to make the adjustment. You can also, of course, add new measures (of the various types offered) to create new measures.
http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/plugins/measure_metrics/using_the_figure_metrics_script/start
Low hip circumference was increased from 0.5 to 0.75 -- the thighs should have remained the same or gotten bigger ... not smaller
Thank you for the link. I'll get back to you if I have any further questions.
In my experience with that product it will not allow you to change measurements beyond a certain ratio between measurements - if you change a measurement beyond a certain point, it will auto-adjust other measurements to fit within what I guess must be some sort of limit to the way human beings are shaped.
They must of wrote it using a database of measure human beings and based the SW off of that.
I'm NOT changing the measurement WITH that product. I use it just to GET measurements. I change the size WITHOUT running the product, then I run the product to see what the size is and I was surprised to see that after I made a person bigger, the measurements went DOWN when the character clearly LOOKED bigger. I still see that as sort of a bug. And, of course, I would love to see them do an update which includes a a "thighs and buttocks" measurement.
As I said, if you just want the measurements have the measure Metrics pane open (Window>Panes(Tabs)>Measure Metrics) and you will see all of the measures for the selected item, updating in real time as you tweak. Some are nested, you will need to click the triangle next to some names in the list to see the child measures.
Maybe the relative scale was changed when you changed the size of the character to exceed certain known limitations in human beings. In my experience you are not going to be able to use Measurement Metrics to measure with any accuracy a character like the Jolly Green Giant.
Rob has said that one thing to check is that the plane for the Thigh Tailor Tape is no longer large enough to fully enclose the thigh, which may be causing the tape to take a shortcut rather than following the overflowing mesh around. Selecting the plane should highlight the afffected mesh, if there is a gap in the line of polygons see http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/plugins/measure_metrics/advanced_measuring/start#restrict_to_polygon_selection on how to make changes.
Measure Metrics can be used to measure anything, it isn't just for figures. Figure Metrics is an add-on for using Measure Metrics to read off, via the wearables presets, and set, via the scripts and using stock morphs and some morphs included with the set, certain characteristics of the Genesis figures. As noted in my previous reply it is possible to enlarge or modify to the point that the items from the wearables no longer work, but that can be fixed.
Well that's what I get for thinking rather than asking...I got the weird bugs Candy Bonanza spoke of too I was wasn't deviating near so much from a range human measurements as candybonanza was. I will look into this Figure Metrics addon then. Thanks.