Tomboy instead of Girly Girl Poses.

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...actually Xurge does a pretty decent job with his futuristic battle wear as It leaves little to nothing exposed.

    Never understood the rationale of running into a high threat situation with one's midsection unprotected. A shot to the gut, especially from a modern assault weapon, is one of the worst as it can do a heck of a lot of internal damage and can often be fatal.

    There's no point in applying logic to softcore pinup gear. It just encourages bad writers to come up with migraine-inducing excuses for it. Speaking as a woman, I'm not at all offended by "I like to look at navels and cleavage, therefore I rendered it that way" as compared to "she does it voluntarily as a distraction tactic," or "any woman who isn't ashamed of her body should dress this way," or worse, "It's part of her alien/mystical culture that I just made up two seconds ago."


    Now, if one claims to be writing a narrative, and a character is an FBI agent, colonial marine, surgeon, etc., I expect that character to dress reasonably for their job. If they don't, and it's not set in a parody porniverse or something where that's normal garb for everyone of both sexes, I can have no respect for that content.

  • Canary3dCanary3d Posts: 2,032
    edited December 1969

    This is one of the most awesome things on the internet: http://www.jimchines.com/2012/01/striking-a-pose/ - Fantasy author Jim Hines recreating women's poses from fantasy book covers, using himself as the model.

    I can't do action poses to save my life, so far anyway - I could do "Tomboy Inertia" featuring D&D-playing, Lego-building, Book reading, and Pizza-ordering, but I suspect that's not what you have in mind :) - This is what comes of using myself as my model, LOL

  • wancowwancow Posts: 2,708
    edited December 1969

    Now, if one claims to be writing a narrative, and a character is an FBI agent, colonial marine, surgeon, etc., I expect that character to dress reasonably for their job. If they don't, and it's not set in a parody porniverse or something where that's normal garb for everyone of both sexes, I can have no respect for that content.

    WHAT????? You cannot be serious! Sexy FBI agents should never wear more than see-through undies, if that!
  • Canary3dCanary3d Posts: 2,032
    edited December 1969

    There's no point in applying logic to softcore pinup gear.

    This is true; you can try to apply it but nothing sticks to that shiny fabric.

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    edited February 2013

    Canary3d said:
    This is one of the most awesome things on the internet: http://www.jimchines.com/2012/01/striking-a-pose/ - Fantasy author Jim Hines recreating women's poses from fantasy book covers, using himself as the model.

    I can't do action poses to save my life, so far anyway - I could do "Tomboy Inertia" featuring D&D-playing, Lego-building, Book reading, and Pizza-ordering, but I suspect that's not what you have in mind :) - This is what comes of using myself as my model, LOL

    I love that series.

    Yeah, I know the Tomboy inertia poses well. :)

    What I'd love to see (from anyone who cares to try) are sports poses for both female and male. And not just Active, middle of the game poses, but sideline poses too (Cheering a play, protesting a call, bored on the bench, Lying down to cool down, reacting to something going wrong...) Come to think of it, a whole package could probably be made from sideline/spectator poses.

    And in the spirit of fairness, I'd love just as much to see a Men's Gymnastics pose set. (I know that's my favorite event to watch at the Olympics... :coolgrin:)

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    You guys are a riot. I'm going to steal the pose market out from under Canary3D with my new pose pack, "The Women of 3d Graphics." It features poses of women sitting at computers, taking naps, on the floor working on the tower case, trying to push away persistent cats, getting snacks from the fridge, and flailing madly about as they play computer games.


    No, I totally agree, wancow! Seriously! For both sexes.

  • adamr001adamr001 Posts: 1,322
    edited December 1969

    You guys are a riot. I'm going to steal the pose market out from under Canary3D with my new pose pack, "The Women of 3d Graphics." It features poses of women sitting at computers, taking naps, on the floor working on the tower case, trying to push away persistent cats, getting snacks from the fridge, and flailing madly about as they play computer games.
    I would totally buy that set.
  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    edited December 1969


    Now, if one claims to be writing a narrative, and a character is an FBI agent, colonial marine, surgeon, etc., I expect that character to dress reasonably for their job. If they don't, and it's not set in a parody porniverse or something where that's normal garb for everyone of both sexes, I can have no respect for that content.

    Y'know, Wreck it Ralph did a pretty good job of making Calhoun sexy but still had her wearing believable gear for a space marine sergeant. yes, it was different than the guy's armor, but that can be as easily explained by Calhoun being a significant character in the game. So it is possible to find a nice medium. :)

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969


    Now, if one claims to be writing a narrative, and a character is an FBI agent, colonial marine, surgeon, etc., I expect that character to dress reasonably for their job. If they don't, and it's not set in a parody porniverse or something where that's normal garb for everyone of both sexes, I can have no respect for that content.

    Y'know, Wreck it Ralph did a pretty good job of making Calhoun sexy but still had her wearing believable gear for a space marine sergeant. yes, it was different than the guy's armor, but that can be as easily explained by Calhoun being a significant character in the game. So it is possible to find a nice medium. :)

    I loved Calhoun. :-) Just that entire movie was pure glee. I'm buying it when the dvd is out.

  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 5,980
    edited December 1969

    adamr001 said:
    You guys are a riot. I'm going to steal the pose market out from under Canary3D with my new pose pack, "The Women of 3d Graphics." It features poses of women sitting at computers, taking naps, on the floor working on the tower case, trying to push away persistent cats, getting snacks from the fridge, and flailing madly about as they play computer games.
    I would totally buy that set.
    +1 :)
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,035
    edited December 1969

    Now, if one claims to be writing a narrative, and a character is an FBI agent, colonial marine, surgeon, etc., I expect that character to dress reasonably for their job. If they don't, and it's not set in a parody porniverse or something where that's normal garb for everyone of both sexes, I can have no respect for that content.

    ...which is why I tend purchase most my combat wear content from sites like Xurge's rather than here. :)
  • 3Don3Don Posts: 690
    edited December 1969

    I do a wide variety of poses for both males and females as well as animals. I pose men as men and women as women. Most poses can be "genderized" from one to another with some tweaking and a little skill. Many of my pose sets are historical and/or ones that fit various vehicles, which requires technical accuracy and conformity.

    I have done some body language and expressive poses, like the Expressive Action/Drama, Wall Flower poses and Holding On Drama. Those are all designed as gender specific. They sell well enuf, but it is an overdone niche. I prefer to do action and "story-telling" sets.

    I've done a few ordinary, everyday pose sets but they don't seem as popular as the action and expressive stuff. I am surprised at seeing the interest expressed here in that area.

    Browse my store, link below, to see what I am talking about. If anyone has specific types of poses they'd like to see and have, let us DAZ posers know.

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    edited December 1969

    Don Albert

    I do like your poses but since they tend to be based around a specific set or theme, I don't buy them as often. (That and at this point, I'm only buying Genesis Poses, unless they're stupidly cheap) But yes, your female poses don't model and preen. They're doing stuff. Which is great.

    Also, I do a webcomic. It has action, to be sure, but it also has the main characters sitting around a room talking over a beer, hauling band gear, lots of call for rock musician poses, and just walking down the street. And yes, rummaging through the fridge. And I like to do some "quiet drama" scenes even when I'm doing things not for the comic.

    Are there poses for all of these out there? Yes (well, maybe except for the hauling band gear, and there never seem to be enough actual rock guitar poses that aren't pinup based for my needs. I need poses suitable for Joan Jett or Nancy Wilson or Lita Ford, not the hottie on the Great White album cover.). But there's a certain... I can't quite decide on the word... stereotypical femininity about a lot of the poses that are available for V4 and V5. The Tres Jolie poses by Val3dArt are a great example. Wonderful poses, but best for doing pictures of "girly" girls doing "girly" things. And I'm sure a lot of women do stand and point and gesture that way, but they don't feel right when applied to some of my characters, which is why I'm looking for something specifically more tomboy-ish.

    As I said in my first post, I can and usually do adapt male poses for my use, but when I'm putting together a scene (and this is why I get frustrated with any pose that resets the figure to the center of the scene, but that's another rant) I'll set the character in question where I want them in the scene, and then try out a bunch of poses until I find the one that looks closest to right. And since male poses don't look quite right on female figures, it takes longer to settle on the "right" pose, since I'll reject a bunch of poses that could work and then have to come back to them when I realize that yes, that is the best option I have. So having pre-existing tomboy poses would be more efficient.

  • efron_24efron_24 Posts: 474
    edited December 1969

    Mattymanx said:
    Male stuff does not sell well. It never has compared to the stuff for girls.

    so why do we have to buy a Freak 5 to get a she freak 5

    isn't that bizar

  • DogzDogz Posts: 898
    edited February 2013

    One little thing that bugs me, Girly pose sets where all poses have feet confgured for high heels by default.
    Slightly irritating and rather uncessary since most High heel shoes come with a feet pose we can Inject on top of another pose if needed.
    And last time I checked, MOST of the Genesis Shoes on sale are actually flat!

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    efron_24 said:
    Mattymanx said:
    Male stuff does not sell well. It never has compared to the stuff for girls.

    so why do we have to buy a Freak 5 to get a she freak 5

    isn't that bizar

    It's the same thing that has prevented there being a David 5.


    I don't think DAZ is deliberately hating on buff ladies and pretty fellows (or they would have shut down our Michael Initiative thread), I think that it's commercially safer for them to sell variants of the traditional gender appearances and let people make their own of the others. I adore Genesis in that regard because of all the remix options (literally any morph can mix with any other morph), but those very options also drive this binary - as long as there are people complaining that Genesis is too androgynous, DAZ will have to prove them wrong by offering ever manlier men and girlier girls.


    At this point tolerance is the best we can get. And it's more than is being offered at some other sites.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,747
    edited December 1969

    Dogz said:
    One little thing that bugs me, Girly pose sets where all poses have feet confgured for high heels by default.
    Slightly irritating and rather uncessary since most High heel shoes come with a feet pose we can Inject on top of another pose if needed.
    And last time I checked, MOST of the Genesis Shoes on sale are actually flat!

    And people use the poses in renders without flattening the feet.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    Dogz said:
    One little thing that bugs me, Girly pose sets where all poses have feet confgured for high heels by default.
    Slightly irritating and rather uncessary since most High heel shoes come with a feet pose we can Inject on top of another pose if needed.
    And last time I checked, MOST of the Genesis Shoes on sale are actually flat!

    And people use the poses in renders without flattening the feet.

    I don't think those are for shoes. I think they are a preferred look in themselves, like the "ow my back" swayhipped thing.

  • TorbyTorby Posts: 250
    edited December 1969

    efron_24 said:
    Mattymanx said:
    Male stuff does not sell well. It never has compared to the stuff for girls.

    so why do we have to buy a Freak 5 to get a she freak 5

    isn't that bizar

    'Cause otherwise they'd never sell any Freak 5's :cheese:

  • FobokFobok Posts: 96
    edited December 1969

    I have to agree, I'd love to see some more gender-neutral poses.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,035
    edited February 2013

    ...still a WIP (not happy about the lighting) but here's Leela's best friend Tracey. Based off a Sadie/Genesis pose with modifications.

    So far I think the Toon and Real kids poses work the best.

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,639
    edited February 2013

    I would like more poses celebrating friendship. Not the romantic kind, plenty of that already just people out having a good time, going to the pub, playing around, hanging out etc.
    Scenes of characters you might see in a bar, leaning over, whispering to eachother, hearing gossip, buying stuff at market, that sort of stuff.

    I tend to avoid the smexy poses simply because I have no use for them. I try to do actiony slice-of life scenes so posey pinup stuff doesn't work so well for me. Would love a guy sci-fi action pose set. Also I would love a 'rescue set.' I tend to like placing genesis on ledges, running out of burning buildings etc.

    The other thing I would love is some poses suitable for banners and such. Lots of people just want to do one character in a dramatic pose for a header, or a footer of a page, and that might be interesting..


    I've found the freak to be really useful for buffing out most of my male and female characters. Although I don't use him on full throttle, he adds some muscletone which is missing from the base models and morphs I own.

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  • TorbyTorby Posts: 250
    edited December 1969

    Thinking about "Warrior Wear," I suppose when a band of enemies are shooting at you with AK-47's, it doesn't really matter if your tummy is bare.

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