Looking for a new CPU & need AMD FX8350/20 Vue render test results
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I've posted this message at other sites as well, so if you replied there, you don't have to do it twice..... just figured may as well get some help here and gather as much info as I can get.
I've got a laptop with an i5-2450M 2.5 GHz in it. Compared to my old laptop, it is very fast, actually twice as fast, but it's slow in rendering on certain scenes. What kills the i5 speed are transparencies in Poser/DS and volumetric skies with cloud layers in Vue.
I did run Cinebench 11.5 on my laptop and got a score of 2.07.... very low.
I was thinking of buying a desktop just for rendering. Don't want to spent lot's of money on, but it needs to be a lot faster then my laptop, but a simple system will do, no fancy graphics card and so on. I intend to sent the final versions of scenes created in 3D software that need to be rendered there, while working on the laptop on new scenes.
Started to look around and the 8 core AMD FX-8150 seems pretty good, get's a bit more then 6 on Cinebench 11.5. The FX-8120 seems close as well, could be an ok choice. The i5 2500 is close, but I'm afraid it has the same transparency / skies issues as mine. The i7 2600 is an option, but I do find that a bit too expensive and I'm not sure how much gain there will be. Not sure how the newer i5's & i7's will prerform, but they're pricey. The new AMD's A10 seem to be a no-go, since they're much slower then the old ones according to the tests.
After some more looking around I found out that AMD also has the FX-8350 and FX-8320 cpu's, which are better then the 81xx series and even get better ratings. The FX-8350 gets a 6.93 in CineBench 11.5 and the FX-8320 a 6.41. The FX-8350 is rated above the i7-2600k when it comes to rendering.
Does anyone use the FX-8350 or 8320 with and how does it perform? Does it choke on transparancies or skies as the i5 does? Perhaps someone with a machine like that can render a test scene I've set up in Vue and post the time? Anyone who does have a FX-8350 or 30. FX-8150 or 30 or i5 and even i7 could you perhaps participate, post your cpu and the rendering time and even Vue version (preferably 10), that would be a great help!
I've choosen Vue for the test since it's most demanding of all the 3D software I do use (Poser Pro 2012, DS4.5 Pro. Hexagon 2.5, vue 10 Studio and Bryce 7)
Scene: Seychelles, found in samples 1 (don't change anything, except for the render settings), see image. Render to screen, final quality, 640x427. My time: 15 mins 40 secs.
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Wow, no one using Vue with an AMD here?
AMD FX-8150 works great = my Vue version is to old to do test for you
Get the demo :) Just kidding :roll:
Is that scene in your version of Vue? If yes, I'd still love to know how long it takes to render and compare it to the rest of FX-8150's and see how much rendering time in Vue really has been improved over the years..... or not.
How about this one - 1.14 mins.
5.1 Mins - hope these help you
Cool, thanks. which Vue version are you using? Besides Vue 10, I've still got Vue 6 installed, which has older scenes as well. I do recognize the last image, indoors. do you have your render settings for that one?
Congratulation for your Seychelles atmospheric render, you have got the mood, which is the step above standard renders.
Vue is from far the best, (Imho the only one) software for atmoshere magics, and at evidence your have the hand to use it.
Well 15mn. render time, that means 4 frames/hour, so 6 hours rendering are needed for just a second of anim at 24fps.
Therefore 360 hours rendertime are required for a one minute long video. (slowly moving waves and clouds).
That's the reason for which I shall no longer upgrade my Vue7.4 to new releases until the GPU calculation is not yet implemented.
Let us know that a 3x GPU GeForce 680 SLI renders up to 300 (three hundred!) time faster thant a single intel i5 CPU. (with "Reality 2" render engine).
OK, a SLI with 3 GPU is not cheap, but remains affordable for a particular, many kids have that for playing video games like "Crisis" or "Skyrim".
just stock setting - how it comes with Vue 4 and 5 .
Your laptop runs a dual core CPU (4 threads but 2 real cores), that is why it is slower than you want it to be.
http://ark.intel.com/products/53452/Intel-Core-i5-2450M-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_10-GHz
My laptop runs a quad core of the same generation as your, but scores 4.98 in Cinebench 11.5.
If you want to compare CPUs, the best resource is the Anand Bench database, which has Cinebench and POVray for comparing rendering performance:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=551
What it does not show, is the overclocking performance, where Intel usually can be overclocked more than AMD, making Intel the winner for both non- and overclocked.
But AMD usually wins the performance/$ category...
What is your budget?
just stock setting - how it comes with Vue 4 and 5 .
Thanks!
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My recommendation if you are comfortable with overclocking:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i5_3570k_review,11.html
Core i5 3570k (4 real cores, unlike your laptops 2 only, running at almost twice the speed per core), Core i5 2500k also overclocks well
Socket 1155 z77 mobo
8GB RAM
Zalman PSU and case
Aftermarket fan and thermal paste
Stability test with OCCT, http://www.ocbase.com/
If you do not want to overclock, then the only AMD CPU option is FX8350, it seems to keep up well with Intel CPUs in the same price range:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i5_3570k_review,14.html
System price will be similar, since AMD FX8350 and Core i5 3570k cost the same.
BTW, got Vue 10 Frontier, but do not have the Seychelles scene to benchmark.
3drendero, thanks for the info. What you can do, just pick any of the other samples scenes you do have and let me know which one it was and then I'll render that one as well. As long as I know which setting you used. If possible a scene with sky and water. Verry curious to see what the i5 2570k does.
Just rendered the Seychelles scene in Vue 10 Complete with render to screen, final quality, 640x427.
My time: 3 minutes 54 seconds on the computer with the i7-3770K cpu at 4.15 GHz (turbo mode).
Below are the pictures with details.
Cool, thanks! The more people who join in the better choice I can make.
Another render from the Vue 10 Complete with render to screen. 05_Room_Radiosity scene.
My render times: stock setting - 19 seconds, final quality - 20 seconds, ultra quality - 1 minute 11 seconds
Below is the image rendered in ultra quality.
Thanks for posting the image and the rendering times that go with it. Quite a difference with my i5 laptop, stock.... 1m28s, final..... 1m38s and ultra 6m4s
I'm stipp hoping someone with a FX-8350 (or FX-8320) will notice this thread, that's the only one I'm still missing. Got i5's, quite some different i7's, the Fx-8150, but the 83 series is still missing.
Hi 3D Toons.
I don't have an answer for you, but I am doing something similar, building a renderer and I have a thread going in this forum in the Poser section:
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/15714/
In the past I've been a fan of AMD but I'm getting very few hits in that direction. Right now a very promising suggestion has been to look for some of the used Dell Precision Xeon computers coming off lease from corporate Venues. I don't know how much that is applicable to you, however. These are machines that were $1,000+ 3-6 years ago and are now selling in the $300-$600 range in the US.
I did raid some information from your thread here for reference and I did post a comment saying to come back here if anyone reading my thread could help you out.
Passmark also has a nice CPU comparison page : http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
Thanks, I know those, even have that chart and others on the same site bookmarked. Those are more general figures though. I'm looking at a cpu for rendering and it turns out that when looking at that, the figures suddenly change a lot, so that's why i started this thread.
Also do not forget about prices of RAM modules. Right now they are pretty good, especially for the DDR3 modules.
I have just bought the second pair of Crucial 8 GB modules, so I have 32 GB of RAM in my computer now
(maximum that motherboard can support). The only thing I do not like in my computer so far,
is the Corsair H80i Hydro Series cpu cooler. It cools down the cpu during rendering very efficiently,
but the noise produced by its pump is very annoying and there are no settings for the pump to change it.
I've got the hardware, but the software is another story.
I downloaded the Vue-11 PLE, which lists a bunch of sample scenes - all of which are unavailable. I'm not a Vue user, so I'm not sure where to go from here. Any suggestions on where to find a good scene (and how to render it properly) welcomed...
Now, if you had Carrara... :)
-- Chris
( hardware: home assembled AMD 8350, 32 GB, Windows 8 (which I'm thinking was a mistake... ) )
(This *may* be posted twice: the lovely forum software told me I had to log in before I could post, and once I did so gave me an error page stating I was unauthorized to perform this action. Which of course ate my original post. $#@*&!! )
I think Vue- ple will only use 2 cords - that's what it did for me - got rid of it .
Great, you've got the cpu I'm after. Let me install Vue 11 PLE as well and have a look it and see what's included or not. I'll get back to you.....
I downloaded Vue 11 PLE and this should work fine. Here's the scene you need. http://shares.mercypublishers.nl/s#65791556-42b4-4351-a040-69a0a66b3b92/ba.clouddrive.mercypublishers.nl/01_Seychelles.vue
The link brings you to a section of my clouddrive. I'm not sure what language you get, but you only need to look at the right panel. In case you get the Dutch version, you see a large green word Acties and under it downloaden. Click on downloaden and save the scene and open it in Vue 11 PlE. You will get a message about user settings, press yes. Next thing you do is right click the render icon (photo camera) and and it gives you the render menu. At Preset Render Quality choose Final and click on render. Vue will start rendering. Once it's done, it will give you a rendering time..... that's what I like to know.
When done, perhaps you can render the scene again, but instead of left clicking on the camera, right click this time and it gives you the render menu. This time please choose superior as the Preset Render Quality and click on render. This will take a bit longer and once vue is done rendering, it should give you the rendering time, I'd like to know this one as well.
Let me know if it all works out and of course you have my gratitude, lot's of it!
By the way.... on my laptop it's using all cores, 4 of them. As for Windows 8, when I'm going to build the computer, it will have Windows 7 on it, I'm not going to fiddle with W8, just looking at it makes me want to avoid it at all costs. Seems great for a tablet or touchscreen, but pfo a regular pc, I'm not too sure about that. Besides I'm reading about all kinds of compatibility problem, so my mind is saying.... avoid.
My time are, Final, 6m20s and Superior, 44m35s. Vue 11 seems to be faster then Vue 10 in rendering.
Well, some results from the Seychelles...
Initial ("Final" quality) render, size 640x427 -
iMac: 0h01'30" (which I figure is one minute, 30 seconds)
AMD: 0h01'31"
With the "Superior" setting checked -
iMac: 0h10'35"
AMD: 0h11'29"
So - close, but the iMac beat it by just a bit.
I'm unfortunately not sure what kind of processor the iMac uses. It's an i7, definitely, but which type? The system specs, such as they are, say: Processor speed 3.4 GHz, L2 cache per core is 256 KB, L3 cache 8 MB. Total physical memory on this is 12 GB.
I can definitely say they were both working hard. The iMac has a little CPU utilization bar graph, and it was definitely pegged. I don't have anything comparable for the windows system, but the fans definitely sped up during the "Superior" render.
Would you like any other render settings tested out?
-- C
And another note or two --
Both Vue PLE displays showed, at the bottom, "8 CPU" - so it definitely knew that there were multiple cores and did take advantage of them.
I did *not* perform any Post-Render operations.
The installation of Vue on the Windows 8 machine noted that it was not actually approved for this operating system. It did install fine after the warning, though.
-- C
Chris, thank you for taking the effort to do this for me, I do appreciate that a lot. I don't really need anything else, since everyone before you rendered pretty much the same scene. I posted the same question at some forums as well, got a lot of results, but no one had a FX-8350, so had a FX-8150.
From what I've seen so far the FX-8350 keeps up with all of the 4 core/8thread i7's, except for one of the very extreme versions. It even kaan keep up with the newer i7's although they are slightly faster, but not even that much. I do think I've gathered enough data to make a good choice now.