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My first home computer (as a growing youngster) was a TRS-80 4k Color computer with the chiclet keyboard (much more primitive than the 'chiclets' we use today on laptops) . I was so proud of myself when I found the chips on the store shelves at Radio Shack and upgraded it to 16K! Data could be recorded to standard audio cassettes of course, unless you could afford the 5 1/4" floppy drive!
In those days, 1K amounted to about a screen's worth of programming text, so upgrading to 16k was a big deal! We later upgraded to the Commodore 64, and my first computer experience in HS was with the Apple IIe... I still have fond memories of playing Crush! Crumble! and Chomp! on the C64...
Oh, and Choplifter on the IIe's...
My first computer was an old Apple IIe..... :P
My first computer that I could call my own and started upgrading was....Pentium 120mhz, 24MB Ram, 1.2GB Hdd, 56k modem and glorious Windows 95.
My first upgrade was a 3DFX Voodoo 2 3d Accelerator card.
Mine was in 1998 Pentuim 2 4G drive forget ram win 98.. In 09 when I started "dazzing" I used to buy HP laptops broke heat sync
Ah, but that Hayes 300 baud smartmodem could be overclocked to 450 baud; not bad for 1982 (and $300).
Decent, yes, but not as fast as Iray. This morning, ran across a year-old article featuring an interview with Panos Zompolas, founder and CTO of Redshift Rendering Technologies, who believes GPU rendering is the way forward for VFX studios. I was surprised to learn how many CPUs would be needed to equal the rendering power of a single GPU. It's a fascinating read:
http://www.cgsociety.org/news/article/2180/five-reasons-to-adopt-gpu-rendering-in-2016
After helping someone decide on a new GPU for Iray, it occurs to me that I don't want or need a faster CPU, just more VRAM, so I'm saving up for an 11 GB 1080 Ti.
Well worth it loving this rig..
Someday... someday... ;)
Looks like I get to be Debbie Downer...
WCCFTech has just posted a tidbit r.e. i9 availability. In their story, in talking with an Asus representative, the representative noted that the larger i9 Skylake-X cores, which actually come in two sub-families of processors, aren't going to be available for a while. The LCC (lower core count) Skylakes will be available shortly, with up to 12 cores as they get introduced.
The HCC chips (14, 16, 18 cores) however, may not be available until late this year. Specifically, the Asus Representative has noted that the 18 core variant may not hit the market until early 2018...
http://wccftech.com/intels-skylake-x-core-i9-7980x-wont-be-available-until-next-year/
If true, while I wouldn't quite call this a 'paper launch' as Intel made no firm commitments r.e. i9 release dates at Computex, nonetheless this may be disappointing news for those who may be wanting the larger core chips, assuming that this story is accurate.
I know that WCCFTech has it's detractors, but they've been pretty spot on with their coverage of rumors and tidbits over the last few months. They do often quote other websites, which in of itself isn't an issue as long as they link the source, which in my experience they've been very good about in recent articles. I usually double check the sources of any stories they mention, by clicking on the links to the original article, to verify the 'original story'.
Hopefully this isn't the case, but even the 12 core parts are rather attractive options currently, should we see those soon.
Reminds me of my first notebook computer Dell Inspiron 5160 with the mighty Pentium 4 HT (HT must've stood for Hyper Toasty) and a dedicated Geforce FX5200 Go with 32MB of Vram. Seriously the Pentium 4 should NEVER have been in laptops. Single threaded applications you could run all day, but within 15 min of loading up World of Warcraft (multi thread aware software) the computer would drop to a black dos screen letting me know it's been shutdown because it overheated. The two solutions where to either prop the machine up on DVD cases to get more airflow to the fan intake, or disable HT it the bios.
Wow the quadro is pricy! so you could go over 10K for a machine easy..
I wonder.... Does (or will) Iray make use of "NVIDIA NVLink" because if so.....
http://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-gp100
You can link two of these for a total of 32GB HBM2 memory (If you have the money to toss around.)
I was all set to get a Core I9 and x299 based system, (I was even going to ignore the rule of you never ever buy brand new tech so soon after it is released) but after watching this video I definitely won't now, as it seems that the Core I9's and x299 chipset are a desperate attempt by Intel to counter AMD's Threadripper.. It is stated that some of the early Core I9's are supposedly tweaked up Xeons and that half of the features of the x299 boards are either neutered/locked or not functioning..
In all what is talked about later in the video is eye opening to say the least, and in the comments section of the video it is talked about how AMD lulled Intel into a false sense of security with Ryzen, only to later pounce with the Threadripper announcement..
The TL:DR version by the looks of things AMD has masterfully played Intel and that Intel are in panic mode so to speak..
Actually, to me it feels like AMD is 'out of position' at the moment. Vega and Threadripper weren't ready for a Computex release, which I think they would have preferred, but due to various issues it wasn't meant to be.
We've known about Naples since at least March if not before, and Threadripper is for all intents and purposes a lower core count Naples, with half of it's total modules not installed/activated. I think AMD would have been happier if Threadripper/Naples had been far enough along that they could have had review copies ready for the press, or at least a whole bunch of demos at the various product booths with Threadripper and Vega, so that the tech journalists could have played with them a bit and shared their impressions, and that Threadripper had been ready for a June launch. Sure late July-August isn't that far away, but if Intel had been able to execute better, yeah AMD would have been at a significant disadvantage right now. And, in fact, we may see sone of the new Skylake-X's in mid to late June, so Intel isn't in that bad of a position at the moment.
Plus, let's be honest, Threadripper is a server chip repurposed for enthusiasts, and it's a BIG chip. Some people may be put off by it's sheer size... Although the 64 PCIe lanes will be a nice bonus, for those that can actually afford 4 GPU systems, most people (even high end gamers) simply won't need that much power at their fingertips at the moment, so the 12 core Intel Skylake X chips will do just fine I think.
Due to HBM2 manufacturing issues, even though the Vega chips are ready, packaging them with the HBM fast enough for a commercial retail launch in June just isn't in the cards for AMD (except for a handful of professional cards for high end users). AMD continues to lose market share with Polaris, which while Polaris is a decent chip, the Nvidia cards are more in demand right now, and NVidia continues to control the high end. If HBM 2 production could have executed better, AMD would be sitting pretty right now, but NVidia isn't standing still, and let's face it, the 1080 and 1080Ti cards are simply awesome.
Intel wasn't ready for the popularity of Ryzen, for sure, and while the i9 x chips have been in the pipeline for a while, and although we've known for a while that a 12 core chip was coming at some point this year, the 14, 16, and 18 core chips simply weren't on anyone's radar up until about a week ago. If the disclosure by the Asus rep is accurate, now we know why. The high core count i9's simply may not be ready for prime time, and we may not see them for a while. So, to me, that felt like Iintel was reacting to Threadripper with the HCC announcement, and that the 14+ core chips were for all intents and purposes a PR presentation, not a product that we'll see in the very near future.
Mind you, if the numbers Intel has been sharing out pan out, the 12 core Skylake X chips should be able to do really well vs Threadripper, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the two standing toe to toe with each other. Intel continues to have certain advantages, such as higher clock speeds, and lots of cores can only get you so far.... So I expect a similar situation to Ryzen, where Threadripper is better at some thing and Intel chips are better at others. But then that's been the case before, at least when AMD and Intel were on the same playing field as far as performance. It's been a while since AMD has been able to stand toe to toe with Intel, thanks to AMD falling behind in the last few years, and to be honest I'm impressed that AMD has executed as well as they have this year. AMD's decision to skip 10nm may help them stay in the game in the next couple of years, but Intel has a LOT of resources at their disposal, so I'm sure they will continue to dominate the market, even though they may lose a few percentage points of market share to AMD.
If AMD is able to make inroads into the server market with Naples/EPYC, that'll be awesome, but Intel controls that market, and will continue to do so for a number of years, assuming that AMD is even able to keep up performance wise, now that Intel is taking AMD more seriously. This will be a good year for AMD as far as servers go, but AMD has admitted that they have virtually 0% of the server market right now, so they have nowhere to go but up. But who knows what next year will bring, and in the past Intel hasn't been afraid to use a little muscle, even if it costs them some cash in lawsuit settlements down the road...
So while I'm a bit disappointed that Intel would string it's customers along with the 14+ core announcement (assuming the Asus rep's statements are accurate), team Blue and Team Red fanatics have a lot to be happy about at the moment, even though it's a waiting game for the next few weeks...
...so far HBM2 has only been available in Tesla compute cards. Even the Pascal Quadro series is still using GDDR5X. At this juncture, NVlink has only been used in supercomputers which is why I feel we will not see it in consumer MBs for quite a while.
That GP 100 Quadro still uses the PCIe.interface. Why it is still a large form factor is interesting as the AMD Fury, which was the first card to be released with HBM memory (over a year ago), is about 2/3rds the length.
..Intel will weather the situation and come out with a superior CPU in the end as they have done before. If indeed they continue to support older versions of the Windows OS with Skylake-X, that will be a game changer for many who do not wish to deal with W10.
Well it makes me feel a bit better that it is sort of worth going for a I9 based system when they come out, as having more than 4 cores will make rendering a lot better for sure.. At the moment a case of wait and see to what happenes in the next few months, not like I can by a new system at the moment but when I have the funds I plan on going all out.. Just don't want to get stuck so to speak with a formfactor and goes obsolete next week.. Sort of reminds me a lot of the Weird Al Yankovic song "Its all about the Pentiums.." :)
Well I have already made the leap to Win 10, and I like it don't plan on going back now..
...I cannot justify laying out a lot of money for a hgh end GPU card to have it's available memory reduced by 1/4th because of the OS.
...just my 2 zł worth.
So after reading about this memory usage issue, and realizing that MSI Afterburner can monitor your VRam usage.... I have it showing realtime GPU VRam usage on my taskbar next to my GPU Temperature.
On my 4GB Quadro K4000M with chrome open and 6 tabs with various web pages open it sits around 200MB used. That's only 5% of my GPU memory. Maybe the issue was resolved at some point with a windows update. The most I've gotten it up to without running "Productivity Apps" or Games is only around 300MB.
One more thing. When I run a test like opening an image in the Windows 10 photo viewer, the VRam usage goes up then promptly back down about five seconds after closing it.
@ OT "memory usage issue".
Edited: replaced longer explanation
-> Please check this guide to find out how much of your installed VRAM is available on your system directly with DAZ Studio and NVidia Iray:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/172866/quick-guide-finding-information-about-vram-directly-in-daz-studio
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@ "wait and see" approach:
Thank you for sharing the video.
It feels like there is a risk of a growing gap between available features on chips and mother boards:
consumer vs high end
This raises concerns for the future ability to build affordable systems with enough PCI lanes for multiple GPU.
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@ 9:08
If you only take one thing away from this in simplified form:
"Build the best thing you can for the best price you can deliver it".
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It doesn't have to happen, as I've posted before.
I'm not seeing the issues others are reporting.
3MB is dedicated (0 dynamic) of the 980ti. If I open Studio, it goes up to 59 dedicated and 50 dynamic.
... currently rendering a scene with 4518MB is use, although as I've messed around, it has gone up to almost 5GB; I've also had it drop to CPU and had to close some test renders to get it back on GPU.
Well I can't afford such lofty CPU or GPU power now but eventually this sort of hardware will be superceded by newer more powerful hardware and so on and I will be able to afford a low power PC that can actually do animation renders in a reasonable amount of time while still using my PC for other things.
As far as AMD's CPU size, I don't care. It'll be in a standard sized computer case. I care about it's compute power and it's power usage. AMD could well overtake Intel for decades. They have been innovative whereas everrone assumed any gains they made on Intel would neccessarily come via smaller die sizes than Intel they have innovated and done it in other ways.
As far as the Windows 10+ 'wasting video RAM' well that's been discussed many times and the users should research the issue themselves and have no dout that yes, support for Windows 7 and Windows 8 will be dropped so if you are planning to spend money keep that in mind.
ASUS and Intel (not Microsoft by the way and no I don't work for them) dropped support for my ASUS EP121 (whose fans eventually clogged with 'lint' and I broke trying to clean them eventually overheating the lithium battery and causing it to explode melting and cracking the gorilla glass so no the newest and most expensive tech is often not worth the money) within 1 1/2 year of release forcing Microsoft to simply repackage old drivers meant for Windows 7 to support my hardware. These businesses are going to a model of dropping support sooner rather than later as an inordinate amount of resources in the past have been devoted to supporting technology that not only isn't making them a profit but is draining money from their products that do make a profit. They did that for big government and big business contracts, not for the consumer so don't kid yourself, in order to win those contracts, but in today's internet coursing with criminal activity that mindset have been shown to be a recipe for security breaches not just with Microsoft products but with Apple products and the universe of Unix varients out there. Plan accordingly.
I'm most excited about the Threadripper and X399 chipset. Kicking myself for having built a Ryzen 1800x system upon release, but alas. There's always something better around the corner.
I've built a lot of intel rigs in the last few years, from H and Z97, to X79 and X99. I would have considered myself an Intel loyalist had there ever been any viable competition since I became interested in building PCs.
Now that there is, however, I have to admit that Intel is going to have to do something drastic to win me back, and X299 isn't it. I found myself pretty irate when AMD released an 8/16 cpu that out-multithreaded the 6900K for half the price, and I see the new pricing of the X299 chips to be an overt admission of price gouging on intel's part throughout the entire X99 chipset lifetime.
Optane was looking pretty exciting, but for now it's turned out to have no benefit unless your boot drive is on a traditional spinning hard disk.
Intel's CPU lineup seems to being through some strange changes, some that don't make sense to me. Isn't there going to be a hyperthreaded i5 now? Well then what's the difference between the i7 and i5 lineup? That was the key distinguioshing factor previously. Hyperthreaded Pentium? Unlocked i3? It's like they're throwing every dart they have, hoping something will stick, but every dart they throw is just getting in the way of every other dart.
But man, AMD really needs some serious help naming their products. I actually loved the name Zen, and it seemed to perfectly describe the new chip's place and function on the market. But Ryzen? Barf...it's like a 12 year old named it. Threadripper is even worse. and Epyc is even worse than that. If AMD is going to be making serious products for professionals, they should really change their naming scheme.
My next rig will be an X399, regardless of the stupid name. But still...that name is really stupid.
Personally, I love Threadripper as a name for a processor, and IMHO is probably the coolest name I've seen for a processor in a while IMHO, but yeah I agree that Ryzen and EPYC are just OK names for processors. AMD recently trademarked Kyzen as well (meh). To each their own, everyone has their own likes and dislikes. I'm pretty 'meh' on Zen as a processor name too, but does help describe AMD's being 'in the zone' at the moment
I always liked the K6-III logo, and still think the AMD K6 logo is probably one of the boldest logos in CPU history. The name itself is pretty bland, but yeah the logos were cool! Sure, there are prettier logos, but the K6 logos are bold and unapologetic, and the K6-III logo (and III+ for the few of us that were able to snag one) was the final iteration of that logo layout. Back in those days, AMD had the lettering engraved into the faceplates for the CPUs as well, rather than just printed/etched on like they are today. I'm sure that discontinuing that practice was a cost saving measure, but yeah...
Apparently my beloved K6-III's had the codename 'Sharptooth" but I never called them that, I always just call them K6-III's.
@ JCThomas
I"m sure that you can find that Ryzen and accompanying motherboard a good home when the time comes!
A quick note:
Raja@Asus (the source that several websites including WCCFTech have been citing as their source for the 18 core i9 delayed availability), has edited his statement/post:
The info was posted on the ASUS Rog forum:
He has since edited his post to read:
So this may be better news. Later this year is not 2018 at least, assuming that Intel is able to deliver these in significant quantities by December. We'll see what happens.