Seam Guides for the Millennium Environment
ThePatrick
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Hi,
it seems, that there existed some Seam Guides from "Northern-Studios" for the Millennium Environment
see here:
http://www.daz3d.com/millennium-environment
(Additional Information - Notes)
But the links are dead. (I guess, they also got under the "New-Shop-system-makes-everything-Worse"- Bandwagon).
Does anybody still have those files lying around somewhere??
Best Regards and Thanks in Advance.
ThePatrick
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Other people can't give you content, unless there's a readme permitting redistribution. Please report this issue by opening a Sales support ticket.
This content was once given freely to everyone -- everybody could download it. It also is likely that the producer "Northern-Studios" gave it away freely like the seam guides from others.
I don't see any problem here! This content was given away freely before -- if any restriction would apply
(1) somebody should have thought first in the first place
(2) DAZ should have removed the links (instead just let it become stale)
I also don't see, why everybody here, should again have the disadvantage because DAZ is just not able to run a webshop!
To say it clearly once: SO MANY links in the shop system are stale -- I don't even can count them. Also, most of the time, it is easier to use Google instead the shop system to find the sparse documentation, that once was available here!
I can't even say here, what else got worse in the shop system -- it is just plainly a BIG PILE OF DIRT!
Without community help, you won't even get minimal documentation for Studio or other main products.
For your argument -- I should open a ticket: I once asked what a specific product installer was for (because the changed the installer names and product ids, I could not find a product for an installer). They stated, that they had so many products, they could not find out, what product it was! In the old days, we used databases, or even paper -- but I guess, I am just to old for the "new days"??
So, I don't think, DAZ support is reliable!
While it may very well be that the creator of the templates would wish them to be shared if the link was broken, that is not something that can be assumed. Your only option is to do as I said above - open a support ticket so that DAZ can get the link fixed for all users (or of course use UV Mapper or the like to make your own templates).
Why can it not be assumed??
Are you not just making things complicated?
Ok, yes, I am not a lawyer. Just, go the secure way and make my life troublesome!
I have myself taken so much time, to correct errors DAZ made -- that I now have a very low tolerance taking further troubles, because DAZ is not able to run a reasonable shop system! (The DAZ shop is one of the worst shop systems, I have ever seen!)
Simply because the general EULA for all content downloaded from DAZ prohibits redistribution. Also, the vast majority of content, from third-party sources follows that precedent. Unless the content's specific license (in most cases, the ReadMe contains that information) specifically allows it, then it is assumed to be forbidden.
Now, as to why a ticket needs to be filled out...DAZ, contrary to popular belief, is a small company. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that actual DAZ employees are less than 100. A fair number of which have absolutely no clue about how the website works. So the 10 or so that may have the knowledge and the authority to actually work on the website, even after the almost 1 yr since the change over, do not have the time to investigate every link on every page that was every posted on DAZ controlled servers (and no, for the most part, DAZ does NOT have it's servers located in a room in the 'main office'...they rent server space...like the vast majority of websites). So, without filing a ticket, the links will continue to remain broken...
DAZ isn't even that big. 30 or less employees.
I was being generous...because last time I said less than 50 and I was 'scoffed'..
But in any case, I dug through my backup of my installers and found the item in question.
Sure enough, it's packaged in a standard 2006ish DAZ installer...with the standard EULA. So that puts paid to any redistribution possible, because any 'wishes' don't matter in the face of a binding document.
I don't know, how much people DAZ have -- I don't even care. When they want to have less work, than they should (my recommendation!) use professional software and professional databases. What they did with their new webshop is, that they destroyed so much information, because they implemented only parts of the old shop and the execution was the opposite of professional!
When they don't have enough people, they should ask others for help. There are many web-professionals in the world and some even know how databases work, some old-fashioned tool that could help manage a website like this.
Hiring professional people might cost some bucks in the first place, but could spare many bucks in the long run, by avoiding broken links and thousands of tickets! But, when you want save to much, you might end up spending more!
I filed a ticket lately, as I described, but did I get help? Nope! So, I am not sure, if those links will be repaired. I also don't know, if DAZ themselves still have the file. Maybe it is on some backup tape, where nobody could find it anyways.
I was being generous...because last time I said less than 50 and I was 'scoffed'..
But in any case, I dug through my backup of my installers and found the item in question.
Sure enough, it's packaged in a standard 2006ish DAZ installer...with the standard EULA. So that puts paid to any redistribution possible, because any 'wishes' don't matter in the face of a binding document.
The lawyers again!
Ok, DAZ has put everything into DAZ installers ... to be secure in all ways. But I as paying customer (that has also sold the product, this belongs to) I have to go in discussions, have to waste my time here ...
... but the lawyers have their right! GOOD THING!
I have filed the request. I will wait what is going on there. When they say, they don't find it (I bet on it!) then I will be very thankful to YOU!
PS:
It seams, DAZ is only good for lawyers and Bookkeepers ... customer service? If you are lucky!
If you need a template, you can download UVmapper classic, load the obj file for the Mil Environment and create your own UV templates.
At one time there was a section in Members only that had a how to create textures for Cyclorama and possibly the Mil Envio.
The products by Northern Studios were Bryce Companion Files. These were files that were part of the downloads for certain DAZ products for use in Bryce.
Sorry but I can't off the top of my head recall who did most of the PC tutorials but her old site used to Ebonshire.
Here is the link for Northern Studios
http://www.northern-studios.com/
You could try contacting them but if it was for download here at DAZ, the files probably belong to DAZ and not NS.
Crescent had the tutorials and the site was http://www.ebonshire.net . It does not appear to be alive now, but Archive.org still has the pages with the UVMapper tutorials.
That is just ridiculous. The content, the EULA is for, is for content DAZ sells. But the links on the website can be used by any users on the internet. To apply the EULA on those is just ridiculous. Everybody knows, that when you put data on the internet without access control, everybody can download it -- with or without EULA.
So?
Just because it is able to be downloaded by anyone doesn't mean that it is public domain. And this file most definitely IS NOT public domain. The file you download is packaged with a copy of the EULA, that needs to be agreed to in order to extract the jpg images from. And that EULA forbids further redistribution of the file, in any form.
Simple, no lawyers needed...
Yes, I could do all the things. I also could spend several hours and make my own seam guides from those UV files.
But why should I do that, when the files where available for free for everybody on the internet, but I am just to late now??
That is ridiculous.
I have a general problem here: Customer service gets worse and worse at DAZ. Eg. I used to save the links to the product pages, since I thought that they would stay. With the new shop, all of them got invalid. The shop system is a whole mess still. They fixed the worst troubles, but it is far from being half as good as the old shop was! Much information is just lost anyway. Same thing with the new products. There once was a documentation available for DS -- now when you try to find some, you get some youtube videos at best (or have to pay for 3rd party videos).
No, because you are the lawyer here, it seems.
Answer my question than: When I get the installer -- what I normally downloaded from DAZ without indentity control -- and I give it to somebody else, do I brake the law?? Or, when I open the package -- and then give the installer (not the files contained) to somebody else, do I brake it then, since I saw the EULA??
RIDICULOUS!
You should become lawyer, when you are not one right now.
I wanted some help here, but what do I get: Hairsplitting
No, because you are the lawyer here, it seems.
Answer my question than: When I get the installer -- what I normally downloaded from DAZ without indentity control -- and I give it to somebody else, do I brake the law?? Or, when I open the package -- and then give the installer (not the files contained) to somebody else, do I brake it then, since I saw the EULA??
RIDICULOUS!
You should become lawyer, when you are not one right now.
YES, you do break the law, as opposed to bring it to a halt...
I wanted some help here, but what do I get: Hairsplitting!
I hope, some lawyer will say the same thing to you, some day!
Then you might think on your own words!
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for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life
-- the Bible
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It's people like you that make those of us who provide free content seriously doubt our sanity, along with our decision to provide it at all.
So go ahead, whine some more. You were told, that no, there is no legal way for someone else to provide you with those files and were given some methods of achieving the same end, but no, you chose to whine and insult those providing your answers.
You didn't create it, it's not yours, you are not ENTITLED to it...and you have no distribution rights...what part of that don't you understand?
I hope, some lawyer will say the same thing to you, some day!
Then you might think on your own words!
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for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life
-- the Bible
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Brake...to stop
Break...to split, fracture
I don't understand people like you, that just want to do everything by the letter, even when it is just RIDICULOUS!
But as much I write, you will not understand. You are that way, I understand.
Its people like you, that make people like me doubt their sanity, that I once wanted to provide constructive feedback, that DAZ is getting better.
But that time is over now, it seems to me.
Ok, and yes go on making laughs about my bad English -- I am no native speaker. But when you can speak as good my language as I speak English, we can discuss further.
As was previously stated, the file containing the templates is missing from the page...since it should probably be there, please file a support ticket and let them know the file is missing and gives you a 404 error. Other then reporting this issue and having DAZ3D put up the appropriate file, the only other option would be to get a copy of UV Mapper and create the templates yourself. Per the EULA on the site, no one but DAZ3D can actually redistribute/give the template files without permission directly from DAZ3D so these are your only two options.
As the options have been clearly outlined to you and all possible solutions given, and as the thread is deteriorating to personal attacks, I am going to lock the thread. If you have any further questions, please feel free to PM me directly using the PM button under my name.
Thanks!