Win7-64 memory/render weirdness

khobar95_aca528e7cf

I ran the Fiery Genesis render test found in this thread: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/12065/P15

My best time is 23 minutes and 37.32 seconds, according the the log file. My system uses an E3110 Xeon C3D w/8GB DDR3 RAM. I saw other people report times of 4-8 minutes and was about to but a new rig.

But then I ran the same test on my wife's Dell - 2.08GHz C2D w/2GB DDR2 running Windows XP. Her time was only 12 minutes and 23 seconds.

In running the test on my system I noticed that when it hit around 7% complete the hd light lit up solid and stayed that way for most of the render. I presumed this to be caused by paging, and when I brought up Windows Resource Monitor during the render it showed Daz using 8GB RAM which would explain the paging. The question is WHY?

Perhaps I've screwed something up along the way?

BTW, my son is doing the same render in Daz4.0Pro running Win7-64 w/4GB RAM and his system is at 47% after 59 minutes. He's got a 2.4GHz C2D. Weird...

My log file contents:

Finished Rendering
Total Rendering Time: 23 minutes 37.32 seconds
Rendering image
3Delight message #43 (Severity 1): R2001: object '' (displacement 'dzdisplace', surface 'dzplastic') exceeded its displacement bound by 0%
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WARNING: fileinput\dzassetdaz.cpp(5136): Duplicate formula found linking yOrientation & Value in /data/DAZ 3D/Genesis/Base/Morphs/HellFishStudios/HFS Shapes/HFS_Shapes_Head

Richard Haseltine

Is progressive render on in the Advanced tab of render Settings?

khobar95_aca528e7cf

Hi Richard. Yes, progressive rendering was switched "on". I've since discovered that's likely the cause of the paging so I've run the tests with it switched "off".

Render time has reduced from 23m+ to 9m44.1s (WinXP) and 9m48.28s (Win7-64) on this system (E3110 3GHz w/8GB RAM).

For comparison my wife's Dell with a 2.13GHz C2D did the render in 12m25s.

For another comparison a different Dell with a 2.4GHz C2D w/4GB RAM and Win7-64 did the render in 15m57.5s, but that was using Daz4.0Pro and I did not check what background junk might have been running.

My C2D laptop w/2GB RAM and WinVista32 did the render in 14m14.34s.

Now that I know about the progressive render switch I feel better. ;)

Dr Stupid

I'm really not sure why progressive rendering is there since all it's ever done for me is cause a massive memory leak that makes my pc fall over! I wonder if anyone uses it successfully, and if they do, how do they do it?!

khobar95_aca528e7cf

I read that progressive rendering was supposed to improve performance - that's why I had it enabled. However, I think there was a piece missing from what I read - it is used to improve performance under certain circumstances (OpenGL/hardware rendering???).

I've not a lot of experience in 3D modeling/rendering, but I've worked with video effects that take ages to render so long render times were not new to me. I'm just glad that the forum is cooking with info whether from direct response or from the archives.

FWIW, a render that had taken 4+ hours to do before got done in 1m 38.86seconds. That makes me very happy. ;)

Richard Haseltine

Progressive rendering doesn't, as you've found, improve performance - what it does is let you see a rough approximation to the render as a whole without having to wait for one area to finish, it's especially useful if combined with the spot render tool to get a quick look at how the lighting is working for example.