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  • eclark1849eclark1849 Posts: 211
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    tjohn said:
    Nobody ever really dies in the comics. Especially not one who has been around so long, and continues to have a following.
    Almost 75 years and counting...

    What about Deadman and The Spectre?:)


    Special kind of "dead". :lol:
    They can still do stuff.

    Thomas and Martha Wayne then, Batman's parents. Still dead. And they don't do stuff.

  • willowfanwillowfan Posts: 238
    edited March 2013

    tjohn said:
    tjohn said:
    Nobody ever really dies in the comics. Especially not one who has been around so long, and continues to have a following.
    Almost 75 years and counting...

    What about Deadman and The Spectre?:)


    Special kind of "dead". :lol:
    They can still do stuff.

    Thomas and Martha Wayne then, Batman's parents. Still dead. And they don't do stuff.

    Killed off in first issue of Origin Story - see also Uncle Ben - is another special kind of dead. They are allowed to stay dead permanently, barring the inevitable periodic reboot, in which case they miraculously are alive again only to be killed again, again.

    Post edited by willowfan on
  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,167
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    tjohn said:
    Nobody ever really dies in the comics. Especially not one who has been around so long, and continues to have a following.
    Almost 75 years and counting...

    What about Deadman and The Spectre?:)


    Special kind of "dead". :lol:
    They can still do stuff.

    Thomas and Martha Wayne then, Batman's parents. Still dead. And they don't do stuff.

    Killed off in first issue of Origin Story - see also Uncle Ben - is another special kind of dead. They are allowed to stay dead permanently, barring the inevitable periodic reboot, in which case they miraculously are alive again only to be killed again, again.

    tell that to "Composite Superman"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dead_comic_book_characters

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,095
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    tjohn said:
    Nobody ever really dies in the comics. Especially not one who has been around so long, and continues to have a following.
    Almost 75 years and counting...

    What about Deadman and The Spectre?:)


    Special kind of "dead". :lol:
    They can still do stuff.

    Thomas and Martha Wayne then, Batman's parents. Still dead. And they don't do stuff.
    Not heroes, though. I should perhaps have been more specific. :)
    Super-heroes and Super-villains can always come back. Witness the reset of the Spider-man goes public with his identity story-arc.
    We non- heroic regular mortals can die because no one reads the comic book just for us.
    Before you mention Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane Comics, remember that Supes would invariably show up in the story somewhere.

    And the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin is 42. :)

  • WahilWahil Posts: 307
    edited March 2013

    tjohn said:
    tjohn said:
    Nobody ever really dies in the comics. Especially not one who has been around so long, and continues to have a following.
    Almost 75 years and counting...

    What about Deadman and The Spectre?:)


    Special kind of "dead". :lol:
    They can still do stuff.

    Thomas and Martha Wayne then, Batman's parents. Still dead. And they don't do stuff.

    Before The New 52, wasn't there a current Flash storyline with Thomas Wayne?
    Yeah, it was an alternate timeline. But since it was pivotal to the current incarnation of the DC universe, it doesn't fall into an Elseworld category.

    Post edited by Wahil on
  • Norse GraphicsNorse Graphics Posts: 0
    edited March 2013

    tjohn said:
    Not heroes, though. I should perhaps have been more specific. :)
    Super-heroes and Super-villains can always come back. Witness the reset of the Spider-man goes public with his identity story-arc.
    We non- heroic regular mortals can die because no one reads the comic book just for us.
    Before you mention Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane Comics, remember that Supes would invariably show up in the story somewhere.

    And the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin is 42. :)

    As it is difficult to assume the size of angels, we might as well say their size approaches zero. Hence the maximum number of angels on a pins head will approach infinity.

    Post edited by Norse Graphics on
  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,095
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    Not heroes, though. I should perhaps have been more specific. :)
    Super-heroes and Super-villains can always come back. Witness the reset of the Spider-man goes public with his identity story-arc.
    We non- heroic regular mortals can die because no one reads the comic book just for us.
    Before you mention Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane Comics, remember that Supes would invariably show up in the story somewhere.

    And the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin is 42. :)

    As it is difficult to assume the size of angels, we might as well say their size approaches zero. Hence the maximum number of angels on a pins head will approach infinity.
    (Looks it up again in the Hitch-Hiker's Guide) Nope the answer is still 42. :)

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  • Ryuu@AMcCFRyuu@AMcCF Posts: 668
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    tjohn said:
    tjohn said:
    Nobody ever really dies in the comics. Especially not one who has been around so long, and continues to have a following.
    Almost 75 years and counting...

    What about Deadman and The Spectre?:)


    Special kind of "dead". :lol:
    They can still do stuff.

    Thomas and Martha Wayne then, Batman's parents. Still dead. And they don't do stuff.
    Not heroes, though. I should perhaps have been more specific. :)
    Super-heroes and Super-villains can always come back. Witness the reset of the Spider-man goes public with his identity story-arc.
    We non- heroic regular mortals can die because no one reads the comic book just for us.
    Before you mention Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane Comics, remember that Supes would invariably show up in the story somewhere.

    And the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin is 42. :)Very True.

    And as for all the Jimmy's & Lois's, they're "sidekicks" which count as quasi-heroes--or damselles--or both....they can be killed, but only if the main-story arc requires it, and can even be brought back to life, again only if the main story arc needs it....Look @ Captain America's Bucky ;)

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,758
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    Not heroes, though. I should perhaps have been more specific. :)
    Super-heroes and Super-villains can always come back. Witness the reset of the Spider-man goes public with his identity story-arc.
    We non- heroic regular mortals can die because no one reads the comic book just for us.
    Before you mention Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane Comics, remember that Supes would invariably show up in the story somewhere.

    And the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin is 42. :)

    As it is difficult to assume the size of angels, we might as well say their size approaches zero. Hence the maximum number of angels on a pins head will approach infinity.

    I believe the original debate was not about the head of a pin, as we use the term, but rather the point - could more than one angel occupy a single point in space, remembering that the modern concept of the granularity of reality was absent, or was that logically impossible?

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,505
    edited March 2013

    tjohn said:
    Not heroes, though. I should perhaps have been more specific. :)
    Super-heroes and Super-villains can always come back. Witness the reset of the Spider-man goes public with his identity story-arc.
    We non- heroic regular mortals can die because no one reads the comic book just for us.
    Before you mention Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane Comics, remember that Supes would invariably show up in the story somewhere.

    And the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin is 42. :)

    As it is difficult to assume the size of angels, we might as well say their size approaches zero. Hence the maximum number of angels on a pins head will approach infinity.

    I believe the original debate was not about the head of a pin, as we use the term, but rather the point - could more than one angel occupy a single point in space, remembering that the modern concept of the granularity of reality was absent, or was that logically impossible?

    Head. Medieval in origin, and seriously debated at the time. Oy! 8-o
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_many_angels_can_dance_on_the_head_of_a_pin?

    But the phrase has come to represent absurd musings and house-of-cards logic based on unfounded conjecture. Thus it's relevance in this thread.

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • FuselingFuseling Posts: 243
    edited December 1969

    I kind of feel like you could pretty much debate endlessly about anything that happens in comics, especially the Marvel and DC 'verses, because every time there is a continuity reboot they tweak things at least a little and sometimes change all the rules, modify the stories to fit the times, etc.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,758
    edited December 1969

    tjohn said:
    Not heroes, though. I should perhaps have been more specific. :)
    Super-heroes and Super-villains can always come back. Witness the reset of the Spider-man goes public with his identity story-arc.
    We non- heroic regular mortals can die because no one reads the comic book just for us.
    Before you mention Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane Comics, remember that Supes would invariably show up in the story somewhere.

    And the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin is 42. :)

    As it is difficult to assume the size of angels, we might as well say their size approaches zero. Hence the maximum number of angels on a pins head will approach infinity.

    I believe the original debate was not about the head of a pin, as we use the term, but rather the point - could more than one angel occupy a single point in space, remembering that the modern concept of the granularity of reality was absent, or was that logically impossible?

    Head. Medieval in origin, and seriously debated at the time. Oy! 8-o
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_many_angels_can_dance_on_the_head_of_a_pin?

    But the phrase has come to represent absurd musings and house-of-cards logic based on unfounded conjecture. Thus it's relevance in this thread.

    That appears to say point in most instances.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,505
    edited March 2013

    tjohn said:
    Not heroes, though. I should perhaps have been more specific. :)
    Super-heroes and Super-villains can always come back. Witness the reset of the Spider-man goes public with his identity story-arc.
    We non- heroic regular mortals can die because no one reads the comic book just for us.
    Before you mention Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane Comics, remember that Supes would invariably show up in the story somewhere.

    And the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin is 42. :)

    As it is difficult to assume the size of angels, we might as well say their size approaches zero. Hence the maximum number of angels on a pins head will approach infinity.

    I believe the original debate was not about the head of a pin, as we use the term, but rather the point - could more than one angel occupy a single point in space, remembering that the modern concept of the granularity of reality was absent, or was that logically impossible?

    Head. Medieval in origin, and seriously debated at the time. Oy! 8-o
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_many_angels_can_dance_on_the_head_of_a_pin?

    But the phrase has come to represent absurd musings and house-of-cards logic based on unfounded conjecture. Thus it's relevance in this thread.

    That appears to say point in most instances.

    That will teach me to read more than the first paragraph of a Google search. And despite my ancient age I apparently consider anything earlier than the Pilgrims to be the Middle Ages. And being less and less acute of vision, the distinction between "head" and "point" of a pin are lost on me unless you stab me with it. (*ouch*). Thank you sir, may I have another?

    And for those of you who think that my replies in this thread are fully intended to be solidly absolute and unimpeachable then you're missing the thrust of this thread. 8-s

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited March 2013

    ...hmmm maybe in a vat of Kryptonite Jell-O™. :cheese:


    ...and lat I heard, Lexcorp™ has been contemplating a buyout of Kraft™ foods.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • RarethRareth Posts: 1,462
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...hmmm maybe in a vat of Kryptonite Jell-O™. :cheese:


    ...and lat I heard, Lexcorp™ has been contemplating a buyout of Kraft™ foods.

    as long as they don't mess with the Mac&Cheese; I don't care what they put in the lime jello

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,505
    edited December 1969

    Rareth said:
    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...hmmm maybe in a vat of Kryptonite Jell-O™. :cheese:


    ...and lat I heard, Lexcorp™ has been contemplating a buyout of Kraft™ foods.

    as long as they don't mess with the Mac&Cheese; I don't care what they put in the lime jello

    I'm not convinced that jello is actually dead.

  • eclark1849eclark1849 Posts: 211
    edited December 1969

    Rareth said:
    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...hmmm maybe in a vat of Kryptonite Jell-O™. :cheese:


    ...and lat I heard, Lexcorp™ has been contemplating a buyout of Kraft™ foods.

    as long as they don't mess with the Mac&Cheese; I don't care what they put in the lime jello

    I'm not convinced that jello is actually dead.

    Must be Jello, cause Jam don't jiggle like that!:cheese:

  • Logically Superman can not drown. He will become unconcious but die? Why do people die under water? The water destroys the bronchies, but in first case it is the lack of oxygen, that will destroy the braincells. But Superman is invulnerable under a yellow sun, which means his cells are indestructable. My guess : a normal first aid will bring him back to life, even after years.

    What if he drown in the ocean and fell into the depths where the suns rays can't reach him??? Then he's just a guy at the bottom of the ocean with no scuba gear... dead for sure...
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