Using the Genesis 3 Male Clone for Genesis 8 Female
Gregorius
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I recently released a free pose on ShareCG that made the G1/G2/G3 clone morphs in G8F visible to the user. Much to my disappointment, I was quickly informed that it wouldn't be nearly as useful as I thought because the morphs do not come with corresponding adjustments to the rigging. My excitement at having transgender morphing capabilities in G8F via the G3M clone morph was dashed…or was it?
As it turns out, there is a surprisingly simple solution to the rigging issue, and perhaps ironically, it might only be available in Poser. All you have to do is right-click on the clone morph in the Parameters tab and select "Match centers to morph." Poser will automatically re-rig the figure for you, and the new rigging will apply to whatever extent the morph is dialed! It basically becomes a fully functional shaping morph!
There were a couple of minor issues initially. In sufficiently extreme poses, the area around the nipples looks unnaturally squashed. As it turns out, this is a problem even with the default female shape of G8F. It's just more noticeable on a male chest. It didn't take long for me to find out that the squashing was caused by automatic translation of the "pectoral" body parts that occurs when the figure is posed in certain ways. After making sure that the figure didn't also look weird without this translation, I quickly devised a PZ2 file that would turn it off.
Another minor issue was an unnaturally sharp crease that happens along the lower edge of the pectorals if the chest is bent forward. A quick bit of custom morphing fixed that, and I then created a PZ2 file that INJects the new morph as a JCM enslaved to the appropriate dial on the chest. I'll probably be releasing both adjustment poses on ShareCG very soon.
Technically, this is a clone of the Genesis 3 Male, but since the Genesis 8 Female is virtually identical to Genesis 3 Female with slightly different shoulder creases, it's probably not unreasonable to think of this as a kind of Genesis 8 Male. This is especially true if you also set Genesis 3 Female to -1 (you'll have to change the limits), which mimics the effect of reversing the difference between the G8F and G3F shoulder creases, thus approximating what a real G8M's shoulder creases might be like.
This guy was made via the procedure I've just described, with a few extra dials spun as finishing touches (e.g. a bit of "Shoulder Width," "Torso Length," and "Body Tone"). Victoria 8's head is also applied, so for a name, I'm torn between Victor and Vittorio (the latter being an homage to Pdxjims' great work with a custom V4 male).
The nipples/areolae may look a bit big, but I think that's more of a texturing issue, since they look significantly smaller with the default texture set. Of course, he's no Michael 8, who apparently debuted just as I was in the midst of writing this, but at least for those who like having a transgender morphing option, this seems like a great starting point!
It'll be fun to see if I can turn Michael 8 into Michelle via an analogous process! Transgender morphing is back, baby!
Seriously, though, the timing of my discovery and the release of the official G8M/M8 is uncanny!
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In Daz Studio you can "Adjust Rigging to Shape".
Oh, good! DS users won't miss out on this option then!
Hello all,
Apologies,
still catching up on certain details. I'm bak to rigging, I have Sickleyields Youtube Video. For whatever reason my brain wants to ask how to rig an existing Limo Door as opposeed to creating and rigging a door.
Is it possible to use something similar? Can i do it in DAZ or do i need something else.
thanks all.
Even I was surprised at how similar my makeshift G8M looks to the official G8Mǃ The pecs and armpit creases look slightly different, but other than that, I think they could pass for twins. What do you think?
Can you explain how, Diva?
Go to the SCENE TAB and select the icon with four lines and a black arrow icon.
Choose EDIT - RIGGING - ADJUST RIGGING TO SHAPE.
The ADJUST RIGGING TO SHAPE box will open.
Make sure ADJUST CENTRE POINTS and ADJUST END POINTS are ‘tick’ selected.
(ADJUST ORIENTATION should be unchecked)
Click ACCEPT.
(From Musicplayer's instructions: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/176271/morphs-from-g3-to-g8/p27)
Crescent explained it pretty well (in the comment below yours). One thing I'd like to add is to make sure you have your figure in the "zero" pose (that seams to help) and make sure you have the figure selected then go to the Scene Tab and click on the (as Crescent said) "icon with four lines and a black arrow". It looks like this:
Go to Edit >> Rigging >> Adjust Rigging to Shape. And in the pop up make sure you have these checked at the bottom:
Then hit Accept. That should be it. Your character's rigging should then behave better.
Thanks very much to the both of you! :)
Well, for anyone who's interested, I've created a male base kit for G8F. It includes the following.
1) The original pose that makes the legacy clone morphs visible.
2) A custom JCM that prevents an unnaturally sharp crease under the pecs if the figure is bent in a certain way.
3) A trio of custom morphs that similarly smooth the pec crease when Bodybuilder, Fitness, and/or Body Tone morphs are applied.
4) A pose that turns off automatic pose-induced translation of the "pectoral" body parts (possibly useful even for female characters, at least in Poser).
5) A pose that automatically applies all of the above.
6) Instructions for rigging adjustment in Poser.
This process doesn't seem to work in Studio 4.10 No parameters come up at all and there are random channel missing errors present. :(