Genesis 8 Male MEGA Wardrobe problems
Orpheus13
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Hello y'all,
So, lacking any clothes for M8 I bought the Mega Wardrobe set.
I have two problems with it :
- it doesn't look very good, especially the tops (they look like vinyle). Do I miss anything, like a texture I should find somewhere ?
- The shirts, more precisely the trim part, bleed out into the pants.
So, my fault or the set's ?
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Have you tried an IRay render with the set? A lot of Iray shaders look very different in the OpenGL preview. I have a couple of outfits that look horrible in preview but great when I render. For the fit, go to Paramaters, and look for "Actor" (it could also be called Morphs). Most clothing has adjustment morphs where you can tweak the settings to fix the pole-through or other weird fit issues you get.
The glossiness should go away with rendering.
Also, there should be morphs in the clothes to make them fit over the pants, etc. Try looking on the Parameters tab while you have the shirt selected in the Scene tab.
Laurie
Well, the render made the pants look much better but I'm sorry to say the top is still all glossy.
And thanks, I've found a the sliders to adapt the clothes. Still, shouldn't autofit do that ?
All in all I'm hesitating to ask for my money back. Anybody got that set too ? Opinions ?
Autofit works with the figure, but it doesn't necessarily detect other clothing. You could look at Mesh Smoothing for that, but you would have to change the collision item to the other clothing, rather than the fugure. I've done that before without issues, but I have also had poke-through issues in other areas, so YMMV.
That shirt is really glossy... IF you're using Iray, maybe look at the glossiness sliders and mess with them, though I would think that the set itself would not have that issue out of the box.
Disclaimer: I don;t own this set, but I do own the G8F version, and haven;t had any issues with glossiness. I have had to tweak the fit at times, depending on the pose.
Autofit simply means the clothes will fit the main figure and follow the movements. It doesn't affect the relationship between items that are autofitted to a figure. You could probably set the shirt to collide with the pants but that might use more system resources. Most clothing has morphs for things to accomodate things like shirts going over pants.
I'm not sure what's going on with the texture - it looks like a reflection map has been set on the main shirt area. Are there any other shirt materials you can load? Maybe if you load a different one then load the one you want, it'll clear whatever got loaded incorrectly. If that doesn't work, try closing and re-opening DS. That should clear the cache.
Ok I solved the Glossiness thing. Maybe I did something wrong the first time, dunno. Anyway, there was the base wardrobe, and then you have to apply the mat (don't know why it's separate, maybe that's interesting for some export options ?), and then the color.
And I'll look some options for the shirt, I thought it would adapt more easily but as I said, I'm still new at this.
So I'll keep the set and toy with it.
Thanks all.
Still not easy adjusting the front of the shirt though... Maybe some day I'll have to dig into that collison thing (as of now I have no idea how to do that).
[Edit ; the Pull options allowed me to remedy that ; still a pity I needed to, I'm unsure yet if it's normal for DAZ3 props or not]
It is normal. Autofit only makes sure that the clothes fit the figure. It doesn't do anything for how clothing interacts with certain poses or with other clothing. Hope that made sense :).
OOT's clothes are usually pretty good. I don't have the G8M set yet, but I do have the G8F set and there are all kinds of morphs for posing and to go over other clothing.
Laurie
It's male clothing - there's always issues with male clothing regardless of which generation they are made for, that's why women's clothing sell much better, IMO.
With the item selected you can go under Parameters and if the item has smoothing modifier applied you can adjust the smoothing iterations and collision item and collision iterations.
If I have any trouble at all getting a clothing item to fit right I go through these steps:
Select the clothing item then go to Edit >> Object >> Geometry >> Convert to Sub D.
Then go to Edit >> Object >> Geometry >> Add Smoothing Modifier.
Then you can go to Parameters and adjust Smoothing Iterations and Collision Iterations. And if the clothes are layered over other clothes you can change the "Collision Item" to the clothing item that is under it.
Thanks Diva, that's a pretty thourough answer, I'll make sure to use those tips when needed ! :)
Weird, why is that ? I' mean it's not like we have a more complicated body shape than girls...
I think that it's maybe more a question of how much time the vendor spends on the product more than anything ;). We're always told "male stuff doesn't sell" and that female stuff does so we see tons of nice female stuff and not nearly as much, arguably more mediocre male stuff (although Luthbel blows the male stuff out of the water ;)).
Laurie
That makes way more sense.
I see it while browsing for clothes and hair.
But even if there are some nice promos on G3 I think I'll wait a bit to see more G8 stuff come out, everything just seems better done and more realistic. Some G3 stuff is ok, especially some characters and clothes, but not as good, and G2 stuff and before is definitely not good enough for my tastes (I can understand how people who got them years ago might still be attached to them but today's standards went way up).
Don't count out all G2 stuff. midnight_stories, Luthbel, Luthbellina, smay (not an exhaustive list)...all those vendors made very good G2 clothing :). Worth taking another look.
Laurie
I will have a look then. But until now I haven't found one thing I really liked prior to G3, and often not in G3.
Another issue I have is backwards compatibility, prevous gens clothes don't seem to behave too well with new ones, and I'm not looking for trouble.
I bought this set along with https://www.daz3d.com/intimates-for-genesis-8-male-s and have found them to work with no problems.
I personally consider outoftouch's clothing to be some of the best, and there is always a nice mega wardrobe and underwear clothing for new characters usually within the first few hours or day of a new character release. Yes, in some cases the textures need to be applied separately, and there are lots of morphs provided to allow the product to fit a whole range of characters, and not necessarily the ones they were made for.
Autofit sometimes causes problems and it's good to have other products like ZevO's https://www.daz3d.com/fit-control-for-genesis-3-male-s for fine tuning, because a PA can never make a piece of clothing that will accommodate all the shape morphs we may choose to throw at our character.
I have a lot of products that were made by outoftouch, and I can certainly verify the quality and versatility of every one. I get the distinct feeling that they were definitely created with love, care, and to a very high standard, by a very talented PA, who gets my appreciation in a market where male clothing isn't a number one priority.
It isn't vital, but AutoFit is the tool for converting fitted items from another figure. It's AutoFollow that handles transferring morphs from base figure to fitted item.
You're welcome, and I hope you are now finding things are working more favourably for you.
Kindest regards,
Wish the shirts and/or pants had convenient morphs to tuck the shirt into the pants nicely. It does take a little work to get the outfit to behave properly in some particular configuration and pose, but I am not unhappy with the purchase at all.
Well I'm not the only one then, and you do seem more expert than me. Yes I, too, would have wished some "inside the pants" options. Maybe we can ask the author to make an update ?
The sleeveless top has a 'fit sweatpants' option. A lot of the clothing does have adjustment morphs. Whether they work for your pose is another question.
No need to be unhappy. If you can't make it work for you, fill out a help request and request a refund. Direct your request to Sales, rather than Technical Support.