Novica & Serene Night's Renders, Tips, Tutorials & Product Reviews Part 1
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Meet Chiara
Fashion Hair
http://www.daz3d.com/fashion-hair
Chiara is Cassini and Giovana's cousin- and she loves to model hair and clothes, and visit all the sets to play with the props. In other words, here's our V6 model to help explore the products. We're going to dive in with the Fashion Hair that Chiara is wearing. Because Cassini (V5) can try it too later today!
"Designed with high detail for Genesis 2 figures, such as Victoria 6 and compatible to all Genesis 1 female characters."
No problem at all on Chiara, and it has a lot of nice morphs. Basically, an easy to plop on hair for V6. You have a lot of options for the bangs and volume, and sides fit nicely.
Am doing that hair on Cassini for a bit then headed to get some sleep- but the first thing I encountered already was that it says it is an unsupported figure. I chose Victoria 4 (and note- VICTORIA 6 IS NOT AN OPTION!) so we'll see how that goes. Will post the photo later.
Here she is! The Fashion Hair on a V5.
I Really like the font you have used when writing Chiaras name (and I love the name too *smiles*) which font is it? *curious*
Hi Carola! It is called Marigold. (Was in Corel Photo Paint)
Fashion Hair On Cassini (V5)
Casual 1950 For Genesis Female
http://www.daz3d.com/casual-1950-for-genesis-female
And this goes with it: http://www.daz3d.com/hey-baby
Here's a second one of the Fashion Hair for V5 on Cassini. I don't like those lines it's making for the bangs section. (the groove.) I wondered if it was just the angle, but it's not. I changed the bangs lengths, did two styles for the bangs, and that dark groove is still there. (looks like a part that comes down and forms a line with the very front of the hair on the side. EDIT: I also poofed the hair out and it didn't change the grooves. (Increased volume if you want technical, lol)
I've always ADORED this top- it goes on so nicely and the texture just makes you want to cuddle with it. (How's that for a technical review?)
If you want a top to quickly plop on your characters while posing, consider this one. Form fitting, easy to fit (may have to do a quick slider just to adjust the breasts.) Easy to work with. Get Hey Baby too- PC items!
Willow Spring (Fountain)
Summer Dress For Genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/summer-dress-for-genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/willow-spring (there is also a bundle)
Wanted to show you fountain that can be used as a backdrop, you can also plop your character on the curved railing in a stretched out pose because the railing runs a long way horizontally- so keep it in mind. You can also put your character standing in the fountain. There is a lion's head but as you can see, you can cover it up with the character. Look at the texture on the belt of the dress! (click to enlarge, click again) The sandals can be used with a lot of outfits- nice neutral colors.
Willow Spring was the set I used several posts ago. It is a large set- there are benches, trees, a fountain- and it's the wall I used to discuss my postwork lightening/darkening. Wishlist it- it has SO much you can do with it. This list doesn't include all the textures:
Willow Spring (.CR2, .OBJ)
Willow Spring Base with no added props and plants (.CR2, .OBJ)
Well Only (.CR2, .OBJ)
7 Poser Light Sets (.LT2)
Day with Torches
Daylight
Evening with Torches
Evening Light
Night with Torches
Night Light
Torch Light Only
2 MAT Settings to turn on/off Torch Flames (.PZ2, MC6, .DSA)
Separate props (.PP2, .OBJ)
Bank
Bank Plants
Barrel
Benches
Building Left All
Building Right All
Crate
Front Wall
Grass Long
Grass Main
Ground Lower
6 Ivy Props
Lion Spring Wishing Well
Lower Steps
Potted Plants
Barrels, Crates, Planks, Roof Tiles Props
Rear Wall
Upper Landing
Upper Steps
Weeds
Willow Tree
Now back to hair. Will post later tonight and compare Cassini and Chiara (V5 and V6) hair.
Charm Hair (For V6, Trying On V5)
On Cassini (V5)- wouldn't be my first choice by a long shot. It is not for Genesis, it is strictly a Genesis 2. I've spent 30 minutes today already and sometimes (frequently) when you move something, something else goes out of whack. That's not TOO unusual with hair, as you well know.
BUT when you scale, it moves the entire piece straight up in the air- it doesn't scale it at ALL. If you scale and get the front looking right, the back of her head starts either sticking out, or going bald. Same with translating. I'm finding I have to jump within the morph sections a lot- and some of the movement and style morphs should be together and they're not. So forego the scaling IMO. Use translating to get the hair onto the figure (it comes in out in the air) then forget XYZ.
However, if you go the route of using the individual morphs for "movement" and "style" then you'll get things fairly aligned.
There are a LOT of morphs, the vendor tried very hard to cover all aspects. Just so many to tweak! There is a breast adjustment which is very nice, and even the curve of the hair over the shoulders can be tweaked. The cap adjustment didn't cap it enough.Keep in mind when designing my characters, I did not alter the crown/forehead etc because I was going to do hair reviews. Cassini is almost straight out to the box so far as V5 goes on head shape.
I have to leave now for most the day, but am rendering the Charm Hair from a viewpoint that makes it look good- then I'll rotate her and show her what I REALLY have. I'll only do screenshots of those.
Summary: Charm hair works on V5. Be prepared, be VERY prepared- to tweak a lot. But the tweaks are there- and it's a very pretty hair. You can have the strands in front, or in back. You can adjust the length. Once you get it fit to your character (V5) I think you'd love it. Just allow at least half an hour or more if you're not great with long hair. I'd also suggest knowing what POSE you want your character in- because you can get the hair to work (faster) from one angle than trying to tweak it for all around use. (If she's not a recurring character from all viewpoints.)
And hey, if you've used the Charm hair on V5 and want to share, feel free. You may have had a much easier time of it (Smile.) I'm not ultra fast with long hair.
Render coming. Will be at least thirty minutes I think.
Charm Hair (V6) On Cassini (V5)
Here ya go! So I didn't do half bad. But that's from ONE view.
And here is what you'd see (and have to fix) if you want it good from all angles. You move any of this, the back changes. Have fun. I won't use Charm Hair on V5 very often unless I get the time to fix it and save it.
(Edited- I had said Fashion Hair, it's Charm)
Pure Hair: Space For Genesis
Rendering NOW
http://www.daz3d.com/pure-hair-space
See Cassini (V5) and Chiara (V6) side by side for the first time- both wearing Pure Hair Space! This was designed for Cassini, V5, and she will be the gal on your right. Chiara got in on the action and does so with class. We'll see what the render looks like though- this was not spot rendered! (But that gives you a better idea of what it's like out of the box.)
"A cool, futuristic look for the boys....." according to the product description. Well, move over guys- the girls are ROCKIN' it!
Easy to plop on, and as we are TRYING to do "out of the box" I only increased the volume, winged up the bangs and extended them- but did no skull cap corrections. So what we'll see is exactly how it came on when it entered the scene! This might take awhile, with both gals in the render.
EDIT: 8:35pm central time: It's stuck in a loop- not going past 12% and it's been 50 minutes- with 15 of those stuck on 12%. Going to start over. Will be hours.
Update: 3:30am- the hair is a KILLER on render time. It will stay at 4% for HOURS. I've been on another thread- and I retested the Opus Magnum set (which you know, those bookcases are loaded, and had V5 in the scene with hair and pajamas) and so it's not the computer- it's the HAIR. It's still rendering at 4% as I started all over again to troubleshoot. We'll see if this is doable.
You might try setting the Shading Rate - in render settings - to 1.0 or maybe even 2.0 for these review renders. If it's down around 0.2 (recommended for final renders) some of these more complex hairs can take forever. Especially with raytraced shadows.
Also try setting your max raytrace depth (I think that's what it's called) to no more than 2. For these product review renders I'd probably set that to 1 since you don't really need reflections for what you're doing.
Thanks Sisca- I replied on the other thread I started in the newbie section once I started having the serious lag. With the hair being closeup (as Jaderail mentioned, that will be a big factor too) I'm going on 27% at 9 hours, 45 minutes. I'm not going to stop this render as I'll be gone this afternoon, but if I have anymore serious lag I'll change that rate. I really like doing the high quality for viewers but I want to do hundreds of items so this just won't cut it. If I change the rate and those other settings discussed in the thread, and the Pure Hair still takes a long time,
it gets cut from the reviews. Or just spot rendered/screenshots.
The hair is looking REALLY good folks.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/24508/
If you have long render times and wonder what may be some contributing factors (even if it's not gargantuan like what I'm dealing with- this is going to be a 15 hour or more render- pop in to this thread. I also ask questions about occlusion and we discuss ray tracing/ impact on render time.
Currrently at 38% at 11 hours, 20 minutes. The hair is so detailed in sections that you'd think it was real. (Hence, the long render time. Settings are on highest quality, .010 rate.) The eyes of Cassini and Chiara are rendered- they are gorgeous. Check back tonight for this one time highest render of both gals. (No, I am NOT doing this again anytime soon!)
Chiara (V6) And Cassini (V5) Rockin' The Pure Hair: Space For Genesis!!!
Keep in mind the promo said it's for the guys. Well, my gals disagree- after THIRTEEN HOURS of high quality rendering (.010) - take a look at Chiara and Cassini in the Pure Space hair!
Keep in mind too- this hair isn't for V6- and it does very nicely on Chiara! (one on left.)
You GOTTA click to enlarge, then click again- the details are wonderful!
Pure Hair: Bubblegum For Genesis
Coming Up- Chiara and Cassini With Pure Hair: Bubblegum For Genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/pure-hair-bubblegum
We'll see how Cassini's (V5) hair looks on a Genesis 2 V6 Figure- Chiara. It's rendering now. I can already tell you the hair loaded without any problems and you can tweak the bangs to have a slight part, you can angle the bangs, you can volumize the hair all over or just the back, etc. The sides are easy to pull in or poof out, the length of the bangs and sides easily adjust. Very, very easy hair to work with. One thing I would like to see more of though- getting the bangs to go left. I personally don't like a deep V cutting up to the top of the forehead, I'd like the option to take the hair over a bit. In the render, I've turned Cassini's head so you can see more of that left side, but you still won't see the high inverted "V" going up to the crown. (In other words, the forehead shows a lot with a part on the forehead/left side of head.)
In the promo they manipulated the shot not to show that as much- but look at the third thumbnail with the blonde woman. That is too much of a V part, you can shrink it lower than that. All in all, it's personal preference.
The render will be several hours because again, it is a hair closeup, it is a Pure Hair, and I did turn the shader up from .010 but it's at .075 so it will still be awhile. I'm experimenting with that shader. EDIT: Took 3 hours 45 minutes instead of 13 hours.
Pure Hair: Bubblegum For Genesis
Testing Genesis Hair On Genesis 2, continued!
http://www.daz3d.com/pure-hair-bubblegum
Chiara and Cassini With Pure Hair: Bubblegum For Genesis. There are many shades available. Definitely recommend this hair for Genesis 2, had no problems at all loading it and tweaking it. You'd actually think it was a Genesis 2 product. So far, the Pure Hair series does quite superb with the Genesis 2 Victoria 6. Wouldn't hesitate to recommend it!
Chiara, the V6- is on the left. Cassini, V5, is on the right. This is with the shader at .075 instead of .010 (which is the best) It cut out about NINE HOURS of render time.
EDIT: I added a spotlight from the front- that is NOT a result of the difference in shading rate. Also, if the hair looks different, it is NOT because of the way it "went on" originally. I changed the volume settings and morphs so you can see the styles available. They looked identical before tweaking.
AS USUAL, CLICK TO ENLARGE THEN CLICK AGAIN. You'll really see details.
Pure Hair: Crazy For Genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/pure-hair-crazy
Coming up tomorrow- we continue testing the Genesis Pure Hair series on Genesis 2. It is currently rendering. Here's what you need to know about how Crazy did on Genesis 2 (Chiara) for a hair designed for Genesis (V5) (Cassini) Both will be pictured so that is why the render is taking a long time again.
For Genesis 2/V6: First of all, this one does not behave as well as the other two we just reviewed. When you move the right side, the left sometimes moves too- although not as much. You will definitely find angles of your renders are going to be MUCH more important if you chose this hair over the other two. Many of the morphs are unresponsive, they will move the hair- which will promptly pop back where it was before you tried to move it. This is particularly true around the neck in front. You move it, it says "Nah, ain't happenin'." The good news is, if you turn it just right, it looks fine, although perhaps a bit thin. That was the other thing I noticed- I could not fatten up one of the strands in front/side so it looked straggly when the morphs wouldn't let me bring it in.
This is not a criticism of the hair- remember, it was NOT MEANT FOR GENESIS 2. On Genesis (Cassini) it worked well, although there still was that strand on the right that was thin and I couldn't fatten it.
Kudos to the vendor- you can keep the hair in the eye, or REALLY move it. Worked on both V5 and V6 easily.
And you'll LOVE the colors- I won't spoil the surprise, but let's just say come back and check out the technicolor hair- the gals are sporting widely different colors!
So in summary, this one is also a GO. Easy to load, easy to tweak, but parts of it may slightly tweak on both sides even if only dealing with one side. Some parts of the side stayed thinner than I'd prefer- but it definitely is a GO for Genesis 2 / V6. You'll love Chiara in this!
Are you having fun with this? I am! your Genesis 2 figures can definitely use the Pure Hair so far- without many adjustments. This loaded just fine btw.
Render only at 20% and been there awhile. It will be hours from now and I'll probably head off to get some sleep (it's 2am here.) See ya later!
Cathie
EDIT: The render coming in shows a somewhat uneven surface near the crown, above the bangs on V6- so we'll have to see if this hair will work or not!
Here's a screenshot of that "blob" area on the V6 bang area. Render is only at 31%. (I couldn't stand it, I had to get up and check it even though it's 3:15am) Am not going to tweak anything- the renders are to show you what to expect. So if this irregularity is appearing, that's what the review will pre-warn you about. I did not tweak the bangs area. (So you may need to. But this isn't poke through. Transparency issue?)
Anyway, it will be something for you to watch out for if you try this hair on V6- you can spot render the area first. Will post final render when it gets done and I get back on the computer- getting more sleep!
From V6- (V5 coming in smooth as expected, it's for V5)
Pure Hair: Crazy For Genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/pure-hair-crazy
Here's Chiara (V6) on the left wearing a hair that isn't designed for Genesis 2, and Cassini (V5) on the right with the hair designed for Genesis. As mentioned, there is a blob on the bangs area. So when you're positioning your hair, look out for that. Moving a section may fix it, but the only thing I found was TwistParting -17.1 and Head Round -29.0 and I'm doing a spot render for head round 18.0 and TwistParting 100%. That latter is the only thing it COULD be I think- nothing else moves that section. So here's the original and I'll let you know if the spot render does anything.
This hair will be okay from a different angle, and you may not have this blob issue depending on your character. Again, mine, Chiara, did not have alterations to her forehead in the area having difficulties. So this hair works on V6 but is more of a question mark than the others.
EDIT: Tweaking did not change the blob.
Pure Hair: Retro For Genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/pure-hair-retro
http://www.daz3d.com/fair-and-beautiful-for-pure-hair-retro
I am linking to another color pak for the Retro hair, but none of the colors are featured. Both colors you will see come with the original product.
The PH Retro went on like a breeze onto Chiara (V6) even though it is for Cassini (V5) I did very, very little to either of them- let's see how the hair looks as a 99% out of the box. Rendering now, will be later this evening. It'll be at least 4 hours- and I'm headed out to the barn.
I think you're going to ADORE Retro. A lot of colors available with the main product, and the other color pack has the more vibrant, purple and blues, etc so you have a lot of color options.
Well, 5 hours and still going. But thought I would show you something that will help you with what to expect-
Look at how the Pure Hair: Retro For Genesis looks in the viewport. Now good heavens, how are you REALLY going to tell what that looks like until it's rendered? Spot renders were going really slow, btw. So don't freak if your hair looks like this- it will turn out delightfully.
IT WAS NOT ADJUSTED WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT IN TO GENESIS 2. This is what it looked like when it entered the scene after autofit popped up. If you aren't sure, leave it alone! That viewport scene would make you say, "ARGHHHH!" (Well, okay, that sounds more like your Buccaneer...all you need is a parrot.) You get the point. The viewport won't give you ANY indication of what this will look like rendered.
We're only at 37%, so it'll be awhile. I will post a separate photo and not just attach it here, so you'll get notification via email if you've subscribed to the thread.
I will say, this looks stunning so far- like very sophisticated, classic hair- or for Grecian, or princess hair. The promos do NOT do this hair justice. The colors are rich. I did a blonde and a honey color. I am impressed with the Retro hair and am chomping at the bit (neigh!) to see this when it's done.
EDIT: Reminds me of a pie crust on top. All we need is the Pillsbury Doughboy popping in with a recipe...
This is grainy as it's a screenshot and during a render, I can't change the size of the viewport.
I want to be sure my thread followers are aware there is a 50% discount code for AprilYSH that should have come in your email (I got mine about 5am this morning.) If you don't have the hair that is for Genesis 2, you can use that coupon to get 50% off the original hair (for Genesis) then IN A SECOND ORDER (can't be done same order, the store has to recognize that you have ALREADY got the original hair) get 70% off the Genesis 2 hair. I got the Deeta hair and the braided hair that way. I bought it at 50% off, then went and got the Genesis 2 hair for it at 70% off in a second order.
If you already have the hair, the other option is to put the Genesis 2 hair in the cart and get the 70% and the 50% will stack with it. IF IT DOESNT, OPEN A SUPPORT TICKET. The promo said it would stack. The code for the 50% off (and it is for her entire store)
AprilYSHDAZDecade
I tried, you can only use it ONCE. If you don't have the hair to qualify for the 70% off Genesis 2 hair, I'd use it there (meaning, for the original hair. Get 50% off that, and 70% off the Genesis 2 hair. Quite a deal. And shop her store and put in the cart with the 50% off order.)
Pure Hair: Retro For Genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/pure-hair-retro
http://www.daz3d.com/fair-and-beautiful-for-pure-hair-retro
Here you go! It was a very long render, even with the shading rate of .080 instead of .010- about TEN HOURS.
As you can see the Pure Hair: Retro For Genesis does BEAUTIFULLY on Genesis 2. Chiara looks like a princess! Keep this hairstyle in mind for elegant characters, I don't think the promos really show how gorgeous this hairstyle really is. And are you surprised at how it looks compared to that piecrust you saw in the viewport?!!!
So HIGHLY recommend for Genesis 2 / Victoria 6. This was almost straight out of the box. I think Cassini (V5) had a slight adjustment, which would account for the bangs having a bit of overlapping/ cutoff issue in the middle of the bangs. Spot renders would catch that, but it's good you know to look out for it when you first start tweaking.
CLICK TO ENLARGE THEN CLICK AGAIN FOR THE DETAILS!
Nordic Hair
For Genesis and Victoria 4
http://www.daz3d.com/nordic-hair
Jumping away from the Pure Hair series to review the Nordic Hair.
This is confusing- the Victoria 6 Pro Bundle has Nordic Hair, but it is NOT for Genesis 2. It is for GENESIS and Victoria 4.
However, loads great, no issues on Chiara (my V6) and does fine on V5 of course. This hair has quite the different looks- I pulled in the volume and got the sides as close as possible, toned down the windswept. Do be aware you are going to have that windswept, unkempt appearance- this hair will not revert back to a combed version of anything- that would defeat the purpose of the style. It also features thin hair, even with volume, it won't be luxuriously thick. You will love the shine of the hair.
Technically, I wanted you to see what a shading rate of 1.0 would do, but also note the bends of the hair, particularly in back. Smoothing was not on. That increases your render time- so note the hair will smooth out when you experiment with that. For my reviews, I am primarily concerned with fit and problems, not creating perfect renders. Just don't have 5 to 12 hours for one render, we'll never get anywhere! (This was still about an hour and a half.)
Nordic hair goes on well for Genesis 2, no fitting problems whatsoever, twenty colors to choose from. It's a go, which is why it probably is in the V6 Pro Bundle. And since it was made for Genesis, it was good there too.
Victoria 5 Elite Ponytail Hair
http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-5-elite-ponytail
This is what was showing in the viewport. As we cruise along with all the Pure Hair going nicely onto Genesis 2, and Nordic hair, this one did require translating and bringing it onto the scalp. Was easy to manipulate. No problem. See final render next post. Study this first. Remember Chiara (V6) on the left is the one we are really testing, as Cassini (right) is the V5 model for the hair.
Victoria 5 Elite Ponytail Hair
http://www.daz3d.com/victoria-5-elite-ponytail
EEEEEEK!!!!!!
Okay, need you wonder whether I give this a go/no go for Genesis 2?
When the render started coming in from the top to bottom doing horizontal rows, I was like, "Uh oh..."
So if you want a REALLY non-existent, short hairstyle, now you have it, lol! And I saved the rest of you the time and trouble to find out if this worked on Genesis 2. Not.
I'm not quite sure what you did, Novica, but the V5 Elite Ponytail works just fine on Genesis 2 Female. It auto-fitted and rendered with no problem for me:
That happened to me (can't remember which hair) after I sub-divided it. Had to reload the hair an just use the base resolution.
I'll try it again- all I did was load it in the scene, it is Auto Fit to Genesis 2 female, and parented to her. Didn't bother any subdivision levels- it may be the soft corners and edges settings that I was asking about in a different thread. I'll change that to sharp/sharp and see if that was it. That would be the ONLY thing changed. Thanks for letting me know it worked for you, I'll go test.
Also, Catmark was the selected SubDivision Algorithm, is that what you had? I didn't change anything there.
That's right I remember now. I was using the Nordic hair that comes with the V6 pro bundle. Didn't like the all the sharp corners in the curls so I sud-deed it. That smoothed them out, but made the layers of the hair really flat and noticeable so I changed the sub-D from sharp to soft corners and edges, that's when the hair disappeared and just the skull cap was visible in the render.
None of the sub-D algorithms bought the hair back in the renders so I reloaded it and used it a base resolution. Hope I made sense here as I just woke up after a nap.