I'm confused as to why G8 versions of G3 clothes are being added?
jenniferhughey
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I'm a relative noob but why do this? G8 can wear G3 clothing..I'm confused..
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Yes, they can via Autofit, but it's actually better, and fairly easy, to create projection morphs to give a more accurate fit to conforming items and make separate files to load them. The material presets will work for both versions.
Money. That's the reason. Money.
Skirts and shoes really benefit from having a real fit rather than autofit...
I would buy better fits for g8. Autofit isn’t all that great for g8m
If you have Genesis 3 and a lot of clothing, Autofit is probably economical. If you're just starting out with Genesis 8 you might as well get clothing that fits without having to monkey with it.
This. While I haven't moved to Gen 8 yet, with Gen 3, I'll search through the wardrobe/hair I have 2-3 times before dipping into previous generations, just because autofit is still a bit of a gamble (not as bad as it first was, but still)
It's much easier to transfer clothes from G8 to G3 than it has ever been for other generations, so yeah. Potentially double sales with minimal extra work? Money.
ah I see, thanks! I haven't had too much of an issue yet, but the bulk of my items are G3. The few times I've had to autofit it's been pretty good..
Except that the G3 and G8 versions are usually both included in a single product. There is no extra money involved there for the PA who created them. Besides, if the G3 version were separate from the G8 version, most customers would likely only buy the G3 version since it does autofit to G8, thereby making the G8 outfit suffer sales-wise. And as PAs, we would not bother doing that, since it simply would not earn more money, but still take up our production time. I try not to always have a cynical answer to why things are done the way they are done. It brings everyone down and takes away from the reason we do this artsy thing we do, and that is to relax and have fun and share our creativity.
It should be obvious in context that's not what we're talking about.
https://www.daz3d.com/peasant-dress-for-genesis-3-females
https://www.daz3d.com/peasant-dress-for-genesis-8-female-s
https://www.daz3d.com/belle-dress-for-genesis-3-females
https://www.daz3d.com/belle-dress-for-genesis-8-females
https://www.daz3d.com/boho-for-genesis-3-females
https://www.daz3d.com/boho-for-genesis-8-females
Yes, there are exceptions, which is why I said “usually” and not “always”. And all 3 of those outfits are Daz Originals, meaning Daz decided to split them up, not the PA who made them. I wasn’t trying to be literal, just trying to give some insight to the OPs question about why we create both versions and to address the opinion that we do it for “Money”.
Fortunately, this would never happen with mens clothing. You can't update something that's never been made.
Now, where's the "I'm being sarcastic" emoticon?
LOL.. now THAT’S funny!
I tried doing products for free counting on customer generosity to at least cover basic expenses, like Photoshop.
Apparently good will and helping people out doesn’t motivate customers.
So money it is!
All three of those also *predated* the release of Genesis 8.
Well since my name is on one of the items I'll respond :) I didn't do the refit for G8 version but you'll notice that all the refits are for very long dresses. If you never tried to use autofit for long dresses - it works pretty badly for anything other than a standing pose... and I suspect those dresses were popular enough for the Platinum Club that they felt it worthwhile to make available a version that will pose with G8 (which would involve a substantial amount of time to rig). This is not a new thing for the PC, they have had refits since the beginning. The artists whose name are on those outfits are not money grubs :P although personally I don't mind having a bit of money in my wallet occassionally - I just roll that way.
lmao
It easy to say that. But lets not forget PC items are a lot cheaper to begin with.
There have been loads of requests for G8 refits from members, and we're simply trying to cater for those people who want them. If you wish to convert them yourself, that's fine, go ahead.. for others who want a ready made solution, it's there.. simple as that.
It's easy to do that. I'm not blaming anyone for anything, Refits are nice. I'm saying the fact that it's substantially easier to refit from G3 to G8 makes doing so worthwhile.
Slosh is the only one here who mentioned PAs, no one was calling PAs money grubbers, we're just kind of pointing out businesses rerelease things for...business.
Refits are not always better. I was dissapointed enough in the Boho Dress refit for G8F that I acually returned it. I waited 30 days for fixes to the issues I reported on it, but no fixes were released.
I was just kind of pointing out too the reasons why :) It helps to have all the information in threads like this - including from PAs and what the thinking behind releases are instead of speculation.
I'm glad I have waited for alot of that clothing for I only need buy the G8 versions. And now I'll wait some more for a decently varied dForce wardrode and with that the main problems with autoFit should be remedied.
Refits are not always as simple as they seem. I just did one myself. People prolly think it took a few days... yeah, try a month. Not even including promos. Now in my case, I had multiple items needing converted like poses, a shocking amount of materials that isnt my norm, weapon parents, etc. But even with just a clothing item, it can take a lot (of all that I listed? the clothing was the lengthiest and most difficult part) And why shouldnt someone get paid for extra work?
Anything that has extra bones (skirts, loin cloths, etc), or high heels (not an all inclusive list) are not going to autofit well... and in some cases not at all. That is why some folks choose to do refits. Some can get that done with a couple morphs and include both vs in the same set... but some sets take a lot more than just morphs.... and require an entirely different pack (esp when one releases, and the other is done way after the fact)
@Mada, do the texture sets for the peasant dress for G2 fit the G3 and G8 versions?
@alliekatblue yes I would be surprised if it didn't since its the same base model with new rigging :) love all the great textures PC released for it
Great, putting the G8 version in my cart now
Besides the reasons already mentioned, I'd like to point out people just coming to this hobby may be more inclined to stick with one generation. G8 is the current generation, so customers who chose G8 will be delighted to find versions of PC+ products specifically for G8, especially if they've been on the fence about buying them for G3.
Except that these are all PC+ items and I would not expect to get two generations fits in one product ;).
Laurie
??? And who wasn't talking about PC+ items?
In the end, no one is forced to buy all versions... some may buy all, some may be one and some may buy none. Just what you want or need..... Autofit (does not) rule(s)
