sometimes i have a hard time following video tutorials
Ruphuss
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sometimes i have a hard time following video tutorials
reasons:
voice unclear
spoken to quick
voice not loud enough
bad audio quality
constant nervous mouse hovering
constantly distracting music as background
fell free to continue.......
now i will ad daz3d tuts that i think are well done
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOqTxTCjERbDvBOc2Oes07g is Bluebird 3D recommended by me
https://www.daz3d.com/modeling-in-hexagon-fantasy-tower recommended by dawaterrat
feel free to ad some yourself
i will copy them into my first post
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The music background for me is a problem. Though most of what I learned was through video tutorials. Many of those from Youtube.
I've long proposed a law that says if you post an instructional video without voice, and only background music for example, it will be automatically taken down and banned. I hate them. Now I certainly understand that some don't want their voice on a public video, or can't speak the language, or whatever. That's fine, but in that case, while we appreciate your willingness to post videos, they just don't meet the basic requirements. So ask a friend to do it, or don't do it at all. We'll find a way to survive without your video.
On the other hand, keep in mind that teaching others, and doing it well, requires a certain skill that few people really have. And just because you own some software doesn't mean you're in a position to teach others. I just got thru watching the first half of an instructional video by a long-time Blender instructor which was, as many of his videos are, just garbage. He'll spend hours doing stuff that could be done in minutes if he was aware of some other ways of doing things. Instead he's spends incredible amounts of time moving individual vertices.
And on the other hand, not every watcher has the same expectations. Some want everything explained in the first 4 minutes or they're not interested. Others need to be slowly stepped thru every single keystroke or they get frustrated that you're a bad teacher.
But at the end of the day, the old adage applies: "You get what you pay for, and nothing is ever really free".
an advice for native english speakers in videos
pls realize there are a lot of daz users that are not native english speakers
so speaking clearly and not to quick is recommended
That's exactly the reason why I prefer pdf-tutorials.
I consider only having captions will make me buy a video tutorial, also a complete pdf and step by step in-daz interactive tutorial would be acceptable
I absolutely avoid tutorials wich are only videos without subtitles: it's lazy and a trash
I don't care paying more if it is welldone to my standards
You left out "Videos that say they are about one thing, but don't actually cover it" and "videos with customized GUIs"
When people used to promise about how the internet was going to enlighten the world and help people learn anything they wished, I'm pretty sure nobody pictured YouTube tutorials taking up the bulk of that teaching.
My favorite way of learning is through written descriptions of the process...
Example: Open program, in the menu bar at the top, click on "Edit", in the drop down menu that opens, scroll down to "Import", that opens a dialogue box, scroll down to .plop, make sure "Depoloybooleanate" is check and click "Okay"... Congratulations you have imported and depoloybooleanated a .plop file!
If you miss something you can aim your eyeballs instantly (depending on how well lubricated your eyeballs are) at the bit you missed and see "oh, darn I missed that depoloybooleanate was not checked"...
That simple written description would be either end up as a 32 minute shaky 320x240 video using a Fisher-Price KiddyKam during a earthquake or as a 75 min Hollywood grade video complete with music, 10 minutes of stunning effects intros and credits, 20 minutes where narrator takes you through turning on your computer, telling a joke while the computer is booting up, confirming the computer is on, how to purchase the software, a brief story about the history of credit cards, installing the software, explaining what not to do, a story about why it's good to buy a quality UPS, reinstalling the software, rebooting their computer, explaining all the stuff they love about the new version of the software, the for some unknown reason, they explain they'll be using a version from five years ago to simplify things, then they spend 4.001 seconds actually showing the process via the quickest cursor movements in the history of computers, explain none of that and move on to thanking you for enjoying their video culminating in 10 minutes of dazzling special effects videos that would have been cool in 2003...
It's really kinda frustrating.
Maybe I'm kinda old fashioned... when I got into 3D (actually CAD) even cheap software came with a booklet... (And in most cases there was an actual book available)... That gave way to online manuals and that dissolved into "FTS, let other people explain how this works" and the proliferation of mostly terrible video tutorials.
There are a lot of good videos, but so many that suck beyond all suckitude and it actually ends up that for most of the little things it's less of a waste of time to figure it out on my own then to try and find a useful tutorial.
Its so frustrating to spend an hour looking up something so simple it could have just been boiled down to Edit> File> Import (check yes).
i want to say that i really appreciate people taking the time and effort to make video tutorials
this thread should not be a tutorial makers bashing
just to give some hints what people think could be better done
I'm not a fan of video tutorials either. Primarily because most of them are useless when I want to know how to do X - with X being step 15 out of 40 in their tutorial video.
There is one series I have found useful, however. (https://www.daz3d.com/modeling-in-hexagon-fantasy-tower) The vidoes are short (5-10 minutes each) each one only covers about 3-4 steps in the over all tutorial. And they were fairly clearly labled as to what steps were going to be covered in each one. So if I need to check how to do something, I only need to look at one short tutorial that maybe goes over 1-2 steps I already know, rather than trying to scan an hour that covers everything I've done up to the point I got stuck.
So yeah, the Fugazi/Ironman 13 tutorials are, for me, an example of how to do it right.
(I didn't finish the tutorial. our video server drive ended up dying and I don't quite remember where I left off. I'm also unsure of how much actually stuck in my head, since I generally learn better from text with diagrams than video)
I prefer PDFs, I tend to find videos cover old software versions or focus too long on details I, not interested in or only concentrate on female characters and creation of women’s garments.
I have created my own documents based on stuff I’ve gleaned in videos but I don’t have the patience to watch a 45 minute video for something I could learn faster if I read it in a written tutorial
Personally I much prefer videos. A picture is worth 1,000 words, IMO. And I'm more about learning concepts rather than specific steps. Usually if you understand the concepts well enough, the steps become almost obvious.
For example, when I'm learning some new software programming thing, there are a bunch of different features in the various software languages that are very analagous to real world tasks and procedures, and in fact are modelled after getting stuff done efficiently in the real world. And if you understand those language features in terms of real world stuff, then suddenly it's "OOHHH, so that's what that does".
Unfortunately, the vast majority of instructors in most fields, especially on youtube, etc., have no clue other than "okay, do this, then do this, then this, and this will happen". No clue about why, they just learned the steps by memory and somehow it works. And I fear that as software and technology do more and more of the detail stuff for us, we become less and less knowledgeable about the basic concepts. And that seems clear by the statistic that most people watch only the first 4 minutes of most youtube videos. We think we actually understand stuff after a 4 minute video.
If you animate or create visual effects for films PDF's
are beyond useless.
But in keeping with the OP's narrative.
The most irritating video tutorial I ever endured
was for the DAZ transfer utility.
The guy literally spent over 40 minutes modeling
some craptastic "gumby" figure in some
rubbish freeware"make mesh " app that he obviously adored.
He finally imported his crude, french fry limbed ,"stick man" into DS
and applied a genesis skeleton to it with the transfer utility
in the last 35 seconds of the video...the end.
Well I bought a intro Blender book on modeling and while I though it would be easier it wasn't. All the time flipping back & forth between pages and the pages can't possible show visually the mouse, viewport, and vocal happenings of a video. So I'm back to videos. Blender is not C# 101 and isn't more suitable for teaching with a book like programming lauguages and other subjects. The video are easier and more suited to learning Blender. If I can't follow someone's video style that is my shortcoming, not theirs. I don't like background music in those videos though. I think they do that to hide household and personal movement noises but I don't like the music but it's distracting.
What I really need and have already paid to do once, is print out a chart to tack to my wall of Blender keyboard shortcuts. Unfortunately the chart I like turns out blured at the sizes I tried to print it out at.
I guess I'm just too old to be patient enough to go through a video trying to explain me something. I would prefer a real paper manual, or, if not available, at least a .txt / .doc / .pdf file
Hello! I'm not going to plug my own video tutorials, but if vocal performance is normally a difficulty for you I do have a blog tutorial index!
https://sickleyield.deviantart.com/journal/SickleYield-Tutorial-And-FAQ-Index-624150816
Oh, SickleYield has an professional announcer quality voice, worth listening to to hear her voice if if you don't care a whit about DAZ 3D. LOL, sort of like watching baseball on TV.
...like the OP and several others I definitely prefer PDF to video tutorials. Aside from the often poor production quality, rambling off topic narratives, and using setups completely different from what I use, I find video tutorials frustrating because I have to keep playing them over and over as I have poor retention with media. With a PDF or a book (the latter which I'll have coil bound so it lays flat) I can keep the section pertaining to the matter I am working though open on one screen instead of endless iterations of "stop, backup, play, stop, backup, play...."
I still have the guidebooks that came along with Poser 8 and Pro 2012 as well as PSP X4. I found them incredibly convenient to carrying around a notebook computer everywhere as I could put them in my pack to read while riding the bus/tram to work, during my lunch hour, or say when at sitting at a coffee shop. OK call me "old school" but I simply retain instructions far better from a text manual with good illustrations than a video no matter how well it is made.
i never said i do not like video tutorials
in fact i do
but its very anoying if the video is bad made
thats the reason for this thread
perhaps this is helpfull for video makers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FIh7mXimwQ&list=PLJB5iVJzTSqSYOTvsLNTvBjUD0u--jmjc
i really hate it when someone who is full of knowledge spits into the mike all the time
People learn differently. For some, video works fine, others prefer text, preferably with embedded pictures. Then, there are those not having enough knowledge of the language to listen or read, and yet those with some hearing handicap. Some instructors record videos the way they work with the software, going through trial and error until the desired result is achieved. Some like it this way because it shows also the "pro" sometimes struggles and find this reassuring. Others prefer well "researched" videos that stick to the point. Indeed, it is hardly possible to make a video that pleases all.
Probably nobody here is interested in Bryce. The videos I made - some come with sets, some are free on YT - are based on a manuscript. English is not my mother tongue and it is therefore difficult to work with the program and find always the right words. The manus has the advantage that I can easily make a PDF transcript with pictures that I add to the video. For those needing a translation, a pure text file is also added that can be easily translated on-line. In this manner, I hope to serve all - provided what I cover makes any sense at all.
Good teaching is a skill that not everyone has. It requires content knowledge as well as strong communication and organization skills.
I've seen a lot of video tutorials for a wide variety of topics outside the Daz world, including craft-related hobbies, database software, and so forth. All video tutorials (not just ones related to Daz Studio) vary wildly in quality. Some are excellent, some are terrible. But the same could easily be said for PDFs or website tutorials.
Also, it's important to remember that vrtually all the educational opportunities that we have on the Net have had minimal editorial oversight compared to what you would find in print publishing. (This is truer for self-published material; no one is their own best editor). Good editorial oversight can help make a muddy first draft of a how-to book crystal clear in revision. A clear cookbook can help even someone like me make a decent meal!
Being your own editor is very difficult. I've spent a week revising a simple 1 page short story for college English class until it was actually any good.
Totally agree, she has a great voice for recordings.
Barking dog, ringing phone, other ppl talking in the background. Those are things I don't like about some of the 'home grown' video tuts.
Two helpful tricks I've learned are:
1. Print out whatever it is you've written and want to edit, but don't touch it until at least 3 days have gone by since you wrote it.
2. Read your work out loud to yourself after point 1, above.
It is still not a substitute for an outside editor's eyes (because you lack objectivity on your own creations) but at least you will catch awkward phrasing and the like.
recordings seven feet away from the microphone so you have to turn volume up to 100
Keep in mind that if you're expecting someone to write out PDF tutorials, it generally ain't gonna happen. Especially if you're talking about people doing free tutorials on youtube or whatever. Doing a video takes a whole lot less work than sitting down and writing out a tutorial with pictures and so on. And if they're doing freebees, they'll generally do what easiest or what they enjoy doing. And few people enjoy sitting down and typing out pages of instructions, and then coming up with illustrations, etc.
Instead they're far more likely to do a 3 minute video, without voice, just showing themselves maneuvering around the screen, and somehow you're supposed to figure out what the heck they're trying to show you because they wiggle their mouse cursor.
Most people generally don't do for free what they think they can get paid for. Especially over the long term. Yeah, they might do a few videos for grins, but there's really no reason to continue if they're getting nothing for it.
This is so weird to me. Every tutorial I've ever done has been written. Is it really that much easier doing a decent video?
Well I do one already but I will try 2 for sure. Thanks.
I really like video tutorials, I will play them on one screen and have my program on the other screen and follow along, pausing when necessary. Necessities for me in a video tute are clear, concise directions done in order, its very annoying when someone jumps back and forth. Know where the tools are that you are showing me, don't jump from menu to menu wasting time finding what you need to show me the next step. Speak clearly, know what you are talking about, I can't learn from someone who is learning themself and don't mutter under your breath while you are searching for the correct tool, I don't know if you are telling me something or just talking to the air. Please don't play long loud intro music or background music during the video, it is distracting and I can't hear your voice over the music. Just my thoughts...
Some of my favorite video tutorial are done by Sickleyield, Bluebird3D and Fugazi/Ironman13.
a little hint for tutmakers
watch your video after you have done it !
or maybe show them to friends
before sending them to the internet world