I am so fed up with Daz devs
p.dahl-collins
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Fight against them other lot employing people who explain your work like this:
"The FBX plugin for DAZ Studio allows users to maximize their content creation pipeline by allowing them to create cutting edge content without having to worry about inter-package compatibility."
No one has any idea what that actually means. I THINK it means it's quite good.
Do you speak like that in a shop if you want to buy a pair of shoes or a banana?
Awesome idiocy that is all over the place with Daz.
I mention it specifically because it's part of the entire thing wrong - no focus.
My mac has DAZ's content duplicated folders all over the place and some things were installed in the wrong place. I have had to fix your installation. That was some time ago. As a result Daz 4.5 can find NOTHING (not even Genesis.dsf which it needs but deleted). Ever tried to put genesis back? Your file system is so sprawling and ugly and messy it's almost impossible.
And after a day swapping things, re-installing, I totally lost interest in Daz and anything to do with it. I used Time Machine to reinstall Daz4 and used little snitch to stop you ever bothering me again, assuming I ever use Daz again. Poser, from now, I think.
I mean on a PC that has to be a serious nightmare to track down a rogue .dll that's missing when Daz creates around a thousand files - many of which have the same name. I think you are an AWFUL company.
I 'm not sure I can take it any more. Just exporting a simple 175 animated frames (baked to timeline) to C4D r12 has taken an entire afternoon - not working as promised. Still not working. No animation imported. Really REALLY REEAALLY unimpressed with Daz the more I use it. Do some simple stuff then stick it in your big stuff, right?
Don't work. I wouldn't trust it to export to carrera even.
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It makes sense if you know what FBX is. It's an Autodesk file format allowing for files to be transferred amongst applications, and that plugin gives DS the ability to utilize FBX files.
If your DS content is duplicated and in strange places, chances are you have your libraries mapped incorrectly and/or nested libraries.
uninstalled the lot, reinsatlled 4.5 big mess can't find anything. Reinstalled 4 from Time machine - all working fine.
I only had to move stuff about because the 4.0xx install put it in the wrong places. Wouldn't work - found a fix online.
Bummer.
Still angry though.
Daz sprawls folders and duplicate names all over the place. It is ridiculous. That's just on a mac where it's fairly easy to track things down. Gawwd 'elp windows users, of which I am. One.
And yes I am dimwitted in all this but I did know FBX was a File Transfer 'protocol'.
The only issues I've seen where users have had things installing everywhere was when their libraries were mapped incorrectly, or they'd just unzip/install things wherever it landed and not bothered to customize the installation if they moved from the default library folder.
There is a Mac version of Daz Install Manager. I highly recommend it as it's foolproof once you get your library location into it.
That's what I used. That's what f**ked everything up.
Most notably the fact it deleted the genesis.dsf from the root folder which it seems it still needs even with the new .duf.
If your install is still looking for a DSF file even after installing the updated version of Genesis Starter Essentials (which should be DUF), then check your startup load scene and new file load scene in your DS preferences. Your preferences are not uninstalled along with the program so they carry over from version to version.
Sewriously, I delted everything using the uninstallers.
Re-installed. till it throws folders in my admin documents, my user documents, and my shared documents. BUT not all these folders have the same things in them although they are dated at the time of the install. Many things are duplicated. I do not like this sort of lazy work so I'd rather not have it on my nicely working mac. No offence. The previous 4.0 version was a bit wayward with folders but not too bad. The 4.5 install SAYS it removes older things, and it might do but it seems it misses a lot and doesn't update the paths and there is no obvious way to manually correct that, mainly because the folder called "data" could be any one of 15 that are nested all over the place. If I could start again I'd user Poser and never have Daz on my mac. Sadly some projects have used Daz4 so I HAVE to keep a working version.
If you have 15 nested Data folders then your content folder mappings are incorrect. Can you go to Edit > Preferences > Content Library > Content Directory Manager, expand the "DAZ Studio Formats" and "Poser Formats" sections, and post a screenshot?
Check the net ... the missing genesis.dsf after updating to 4.5 is a common problem, not just macs.
Also why are .duf files still showing up in my OLD v4.0.3 when they won't work and I deleted them (I THOUGHT!).
I mean tis is mad. I've used macs for 30 years now and this is EXACTLY like using a PC with files everywhere and no one really knows where anything is or what it does on the forums.
Plain F88king awful.
Free, but at what price?
As a vfx pro I can only tell people to stay away from Daz. Sorry. But well, it's cool but pretty messed up.
15 is artistic licence :) I kept finding folders of the same name under content and people and characters...
I will do a screenshot.
I'm pretty much done with Daz so if you see something mad I might give it another week.
By the way this is not my issue. My issue is getting keyframed (on the timeline) animations to import correctly into cinema4d r12. Animations, not just a bone (unrigged) structure. Textures etc don't matter.
Okay, it points to My Library (patronising, haha).
http://www.slunq.com/temps/Daz_content.png
You know you keep saying it's 'exactly like pc with files everywhere'. I've been actively using DS since the beginning of last year, before 4.5, and I've NEVER had files and folders installing to places they weren't supposed to.
You said up there ^^ that you used DIM to install your content. Does the library path match your DS path in the settings? DIM > Cogwheel in the upper right > Installation tab. Libraries are listed in the lower pane.
If you have /data folders nested within People, Character, etc folders, then your library pathing was messed up at one time. I'm sorry, but there's no way that can happen unless you self-installed the zips and didn't know where to put things.
It's a clean install after using the uninstallers for everything.
No rogue folders left over.
New rogue folders generated.
The horrors of my upgrade to 4.5 reminds me of the basic thing with computers... if it works leave it alone. 4.0 worked. I have reinstalled it. It works. I will leave it alone.
As I said it's not THAT important seeing as I replaced it all from Time Machine back to 4.0xx and it's all fine within Daz. I only replaced the Daz app and the Daz folder "My Library" in the user > documents which is a weird place anyway, hence my PC comparisons: It's odd to have a mac app that does all this. They're usually pretty self-contained with extra stuff going in the MAIN 'library' > 'application support' folder where you would expect to find support files for an application. I'm just saying it's all a bit shoddy like PC software usually is. I use Mac 10.6.8 and Win7. My actual issue (on some other thread) is exporting animations from Daz 4 into C4D via FBX. The model imports fine (genesis, naked) but the animations are not there. The animations DO work in FBX converter so it's probably a C4D thing.
Anyway, thanks for your time and suggestions. Sorry if I was a bit blunt (above) but I'm annoyed with Daz, not you (or anyone in particular) :)
Well, to be honest, I have no experience with a Mac, at least not since the days a floppy was a floppy and it went into the front of a tiny ass monitor. lol
For me, I customize everything. Nothing really goes in it's default locations, so I can find most things. My C: is all OS, drivers, and security. E: is where my programs get installed to, and also where I moved the default My Documents to via the Win7 libraries options. My page file is moved, my temp directory is moved. F: is all of my graphics 'add ons' so to speak. My art is backed up there as well as my networked external, and my DS libraries are also housed there. My DS and CMS are both on E: while the databases are on F:.
The only 'rogue' folders as you call them that DS has installed on my system, is C:\ProgramData\DAZ 3D with a single install.ini that points to my actual location (redundant imo- just use the damn registry), and the directory in my user Roaming folder that has all of my preferences and such (this is the one that does not auto-uninstall with DS- personally, I hate not having the option to wipe it on uninstall since it kept my preferences which caused me some DS launch issues as well until I realized this).
Granted, not your average user is going to have everything customized to hell and back. =x I'm female, and will openly admit that my PC is more organized than my closet. lol
haha. Like the closet comparison. I have a similar set-up on me mac - various HDs with varying degrees of importance. Plus a Win7 boot partition for the odd bits of stuff that are Win only. I find the entire Windows thing really annoying - it's all a bit scattergun, and every time I boot into Win7 there is SOMETHING that needs a fix. It is mad. I don't know how people live with it. it's all about what you're used to I suppose... Cheers for the help.
PS I date back to the same days when a mac was a 1 inch screen in a plastic box and a printer cost as much as a car.
You know, it is entirely possible that your Win7 issues are due to it being a dual boot and not a dedicated windows box. If I were to dual boot with anything it would be Linux. It doesn't care what else is on the machine.
No, windows constantly wants to update itself and it mislays drivers and things. That bit of HD is entirely separate from the mac. I have taken to ignoring its demands. I just unplug the ethernet and that shuts it up.
This will all be happening on the Mac OS too but it has the good grace to keep it to itself unless it's important.
Disable windows automatic updates. I have mine set to tell me, but not download or install unless I say so.
Moved to DAZ Studio Discussion - Developer Discussion is for scripting, it is not a way to address the DS developers.
I am at a loss to understand how you can have had an older version of DS when your account was created only yesterday.