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Here's another with a bit of complication tossed in: Buccaneer for Genesis.
Here's another with a bit of complication tossed in: Buccaneer for Genesis.
Well that's a product I'm not going to be buying anytime soon. Now I'll have to make a note to check the wiki for every other one of the vendor's textures to see if this is the only one or if all of them have it. This is the type of information that should be clearly listed on the product page so those of us who need to consider the ramifications of such things.
Well that's a product I'm not going to be buying anytime soon. Now I'll have to make a note to check the wiki for every other one of the vendor's textures to see if this is the only one or if all of them have it. This is the type of information that should be clearly listed on the product page so those of us who need to consider the ramifications of such things.
I agree with this statement. I need to go back and check all the products I bought and check the future ones as well. And why buy a product if you can not use the textures created with it?
Thanks Richard. I was worried. I don't usually look for usage policies for daz items, and was wondering if I needed to start doing so. That would be tiresome =-)
Here's another with a bit of complication tossed in: Buccaneer for Genesis.
Thanks for pointing that out. guess I'll uninstall that product. I don't want any item I cannot use commercially in my runtime. =-/
This should be made very clear on the page commercial use of textures NOT OKAY.
I don't think customers should have to research every product bought at daz. Especially when there aren't always readme's.
That is not how I read the CG textures commercial license. I see it as not being able to distribute the actual textures, not images that include textures which have been made with CG textures resources. And I did investigate this before I, amongst many others I am sure, started using CG textures as a texture resource.
Automatically if you have used the texture resource (which is what they are meaning by image in this case) as part of the texture for a model you have customised it.
I have to say that CGTexture's license is confusing at times, and that text doesn't really help. :/ I just know that it did make me wonder about WTH I can do with them.
Since the DAZ EULA does not permit the redistribution of textures the only reason for adding the extra qualifier means raises a red flag. A red flag I don't have time to deal with but will have to.
Maybe it's not a problem and maybe it is. I don't even have to call down to Legal to know what they will tell me. Err on the side of caution and get it out of the catalog. Then double check every other product by the same vendor.
Purchasers at the DAZ store never acquire the right to redistribute the textures or the models themselves included in a DAZ product, they acquire the right to 2D render or 2D animate the product for commercial purposes. The finished 2D artistic output is what you have rights to. All that CGTextures readme notation does is gives all customers/users the heads up that though you can use the DAZ products for renders and animation in commercial uses, if you try to redistribute the actual textures illegally, you'll be dealing with both DAZ and another company entity that will perhaps take legal action against you. Proper commercial use.
Please read the edits I have made to my post, including quoting a part of CG textures own FAQs regarding just this exact matter.
What is causing the problem here is CG textures use of the word "image" for a texture resource. If you read their complete license you will see they use the word image to describe the textures offered on their site.
There is no ambiguity at all apart from this usage of the word image, which is not the same way we as 3d artists use the word..
Basically all CG textures are saying is the they want people to give them credit for using their collection of textures, and to state that unmodified textures cannot be re-distributed.
The logical place to give the credit is on the readme page. And as FB says, it is simply a reinforcement to the DAZ 3D EULA , but does not change it.
I don't understand that really. I wish the usage rights were in layman's terms. What can a user use these items for is all I really want to know. Can I make a render and sell it commercially? Can that simply be said in the product readme?
For me, I'll just avoid products with extra strings attached that refer me to outside companies. I don't want to research products or read some other companies terms of use before I buy.
Who knows when they'll change their usage terms, or whether I'll miss something.
All right, thanks for helping with that, Chohole. Sorry to bring it up out of blue, but I had been puzzled by that thing for a while.
and use the word texture in all other parts of their license.
We've been in direct contact with them and they are able to be used commercially. Most the PA's in this industry use that site for their textures.
Okay thanks Chohole and Frank. very helpful.
Automatically if you have used the texture resource (which is what they are meaning by image in this case) as part of the texture for a model you have customised it.
...took a look at CG Textures and read the agreement. Seems rather straightforward to me. Site is now Bookmarked.
Yes, it is a very useful site, I use it quite a lot, both for resources for my free textures and also for things that I don't distribute.
The membership, which is not expensive, gives one even better size textures and is very much worthwhile for anyone doing a lot of texturing.
...As I have been getting more and more into texturing, I'll look into the membership. Going to install (and try to register) PSP X4 on the Workstation tonight.
I have to thank PA's like Marieah, DZ Fire, and AgeOfArmour as well as yourself for instilling the interest to pursue this further.
I usually just keep a spreadsheet that indicates the following:
name of the product
sku of the product
order number (if it was a free download from ShaeCG, etc. that is indicated)
cost (I only indicate the cost of any models I had to buy just for the project I had.)
What the EULA is for the product is indicated. (Usually a note like standard DAZ, or what the read me for iticates.)
I also indicate if I had to buy or use anything else for the project and what the details were. (software, plugins, bushes, textures for texturing and custom material work, etc.)
I also make a copy of any EULAs and include that. (so I'll have the standard DAZ one, and any others.)
I have seen some individuals make 2D renders for video games and not even indicate that they were using DAZ, RDNA, ShrareCG, etc. models to the people they were selling the renders too and claim intellectual property for render that were just things like a chair loaded up and rendered in studio with no post work. The individual I thinking of also seemed to think all DAZ EULAs were the same too.
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Let's cut this down a bit...
First, you bent way over backwards for these guys. Best practice?
1) If you are entering into a business relationship with this company, then you also continue to #2 (below). If it is a demand on suspicion of piracy, then demand and wait for a certified letter on corporate letterhead. Otherwise, you don't have to give them jack.
2) Make a list of the stuff you used, but keep it to yourself for now.
3) Signed a notarized statement which you give to the company that includes only the following:
- A statement affirming that there are no copyright violations or copyright-violating stuff used in the artwork
- The vendor store rep contact info for every store I bought stuff from in the artwork they are showing interest in.
4) Send that to them via certified mail.
...and that's it.
Seriously? Either the company rep is an idiot, has no idea what he/she is doing, or they're trying to shake you down for something.
I recall once having some dummy who emailed me claiming to be a lawyer for a certain vendor (whom I knew personally), demanding payment for my "pirated" content. I replied, telling him to either send a certified demand by mail, or else f$#k off. I heard nothing from that character ever since, and this was years ago.
I used to have a super-anal copyright FAQ posted back when Poserpros was still around... it was far too complete, but I'll be damned if I can locate it now. :/
I've only read the original post, not the comments that follow.
If a company is going to publicly broadcast, post, distribute, or publish something, they want documented evidence that ALL content is paid for and licensed by the party submitting the art/product/film/video/photograph/whatever.
In the film and television industry, they have lawyers that go over ALL content and clear it. They also buy liability insurance just in case something not licensed slips through unnoticed, or in case the content creator/owner sues them anyway. Hollywood motion picture studios have thousands of lawsuits every year from people/companies claiming their content was used and they weren't compensated properly.
The demands for evidence varies between companies, some require original signed documents and receipts, some only ask for photocopies, some, for digital copies.
A film I produced and directed was a selection in the Cannes Film Festival. They wanted a document signed by me that stated that all the content in the film was properly licensed, paid for, cleared etc. - everything - every piece of music, every sound effect, the fonts used to create the title and credits, the art that appears in the film, model releases, actors contracts, location releases, crew contracts etc.
Why - because no matter what a company produces, whether it's Harry Potter or Star Wars, there will be people who will sue them to grab some of the profits.
And if a movie/tv show/publcation does somehow use something not licensed, a judge can order that the movie or whatever is not to be shown - even if it's a Batman movie that cost $200 million to produce.
If I buy a product, I don't feel I need to credit the PA for the use of it.. I don't this is unacceptable in anyway. just as I pay for the use of clipart and photos. What I do not do, is pretend I made the item in question. I make renders using other peoples stuff. . but I do not feel the need to disclose the detail. Unless I sell it when proof is required.
I never hide the fact that I use storebought content, just as I don't hide the fact I use clipart, purchased photos and fonts. And usually I am open to questions about what content I used in this and that render, and where did it come from. I will freely tell them that is 'v5 ponytail' or 'Victoria 6' or a lovely alien by Dariofish.
Most of the readmes I have read simply the PA wants the user not to say they made the item and license me for the use of same item for renders. I never claim to make models, backdrops, or textures. I simply do not announce or disclose anything unless asked or I want to credit the PA for a particularly nice piece of work.
Edited to add: if a pa ads unusual conditions to the terms of use of an item, or it is vague or unclear, then I will simply not use it and most likely will avoid products from them in the future unless the situation is clarified in the readme.
I am trying to phase out all free content from my runtime, or items with vague usage rights. My recent experience has taught me, it is not worth keeping items that are not commercial use, with no strings attached and whose rights for use are crystal clear. I just don't have time to remember it all. =-)
I absolutely agree. If I was a hobbiest, and was never going to sell anything, then I'd use free or vaguely licensed content. But I do sell things using licensed 3D content - so free or "strings attached" conent is of no use to me, and I don't ever download it, it's too risky that I would inadvertently include it in a render.
I absolutely agree. If I was a hobbiest, and was never going to sell anything, then I'd use free or vaguely licensed content. But I do sell things using licensed 3D content - so free or "strings attached" conent is of no use to me, and I don't ever download it, it's too risky that I would inadvertently include it in a render.
I have a separate runtime with a couple of "fan art" items in it, just for fun, but in my main content collection, I only include content that explicitly states that commercial renders are ok and royalty-free, and don't require special credit to use. If I see an item that I'd like to use, I contact the creator and ask for permission, and save the reply. Most creators I've contacted have promptly replied granting permission.
I don't credit individual content creators in most images, because there would be too many to track in any reasonable way. My main projects are a manga and a card game. I could keep a running list of all the content used in the manga or the game, but I doubt anyone would ever look at it, and it would be impossible to match up content with individual panels or cards.
However, the bug/feature request I wrote would make it much easier to go back and recreate a particular character or scene, even if all I have to work from is a render file, and if I suddenly had to show proof that some item was a commercially sold item rather than a similar looking limited-use freebie, it would be simple to do so. And people who see my work online and have the ever-popular question "what hair is that?" could answer that question for themselves. ;)