What is Genesis 2
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Hi,
This may be a dumb question, but what is Genesis 2? I have Genesis and have been buying morphs, clothes and hair for all 3 figures. I got it when it became available for Poser. Just today I got something about Victoria 6 and it seems there is a Genesis 2 female because her morphs are available for sale, but I can't find a Genesis 2 figure anywhere in the store. Are there also Genesis 2 male and child figures? Do the Genesis 2 morphs work with Genesis? If not, where are the Genesis 2 figures? Thanks.
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If you go to your product library in your account, Genesis 2 Female Starter Essentials should be there for download. As of now, there are no male or children morphs available and I'm not sure, but I think those will be separate figures. Also, I'm not sure if Genesis 2 morphs will work with Genesis 1 (same goes for clothes.) But there's a thread that explains how to use Genesis 1 morphs with Genesis 2.
Thanks Iface,
I found it and I'm downloading it now. I wish DAZ would have kept Genesis as all one figure (female, male and child). That's one thing I really liked about it. You only had to buy one set of everything :-(
You can manually move G2F (Genesis 2 Female) morphs back to Genesis but in process (like in any such process) they will be slightly changed due to differences in meshes.
I have a tutorial how to move G2F morph back to Genesis partway through here, so it is possible to do although it might look intimidating but it is really easy once you do it once. I don't have any other G2F morphs like from the bundle or V6 to test the process but people seems to get some good results. Dimention3D also seems to be busy with update to Gen-X for this or similar purpose.
As it is now, G2F can't use V4 maps without an additional product and cannot use any other maps except V5, default G2F map and V6 map at all. You can use Genesis clothes via autofit on G2F if you have DS 4.6 installed (DS 4.5 doesn't have this functionality), but you can also make a clone and fit G2F clothes back to Genesis. To fit V4 clothes to G2F you have to use MallenLane's product or convert them to Genesis first through autofit. With any other clothes you only option is to autofit them to Genesis, save them and then autofit them to G2F. G2F Autofit seems to be somewhat improved but original Genesis autofit wasn't improved in a long, long time so it isn't really a good point to compare.
Aside of some changes in rigging and mesh (and separate rigged toes without any pose controls), G2F doesn't seem to have any innovations in it and is made to be more sexier female base.
The Genesis 2 figure seems to have made very minor improvements to detail, realism, joint bending, etc. at the cost of being much less versatile and splitting up the market. A lot of us are planning on sticking with Genesis 1 for a long time as our primary figure. I see no reason to bother with Genesis 2 as it seems like a major step backward. I also wonder how long before Genesis 3, 4, 5, etc. come out. So I might try to skip Genesis 2 all together. Anyway here are some resources:
How to transfer morphs from genesis 1 to genesis 2. Also how to autofit genesis 2 clothes to genesis 1:
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/24093/
If your a PC member there is a big discussion about Genesis 2 on the "Sneek Peek" thread. You might want to start from the end as it was all speculation until Genesis 2 was released the other day:
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/23625/
Or search the forums there are a lot of threads on it.
Thanks Kattey,
I'm using Poser and I'm happy with my Genesis figures right now. Think I'll stick with that for what I'm doing.
[quote author="Zafferd" date="1371823530"I wish DAZ would have kept Genesis as all one figure (female, male and child). That's one thing I really liked about it. You only had to buy one set of everything :-(
That's why I'm going to vote with my wallet. Unless someone comes up with a truly compelling argument for the change, I'm not spending one cent on anything that's Genesis2-exclusive. (Who knows. If enough people do this, they might get the point...)
Is G2 just an improved mesh? Or is it a ground up rebuild?
From what I understood from MallenLane's explanations, it is an improved mesh (polygon reflow in some areas, additional loops, more polygons in some areas, less in some, added EyeReflection spheres of about three hundred polygons smoothness), not ground up rebuild.
Exactly, gen2 seems a bit backwards to me and released quite a bit early as well. I'll pass on this for now.
I really hope a lot of people don't buy into Genesis 2. Some people see it as an additional option but I feel it will cause PAs to have less time to create a variety of quality products as they try to support more figures. Look at all the new V6 stuff coming out now, it all looks very similar to the stuff we already have for genesis. I feel like we are sacrificing creativity & versatility for very minor detail improvements. Also if a lot of people are suckered into buying all the Genesis 2 content that may encourage DAZ to make new figures faster with minor improvements. For all the hassle of dealing with a new figure I want revolutionary changes, like the original shift from Generation 4 to Genesis.
From what I understood from MallenLane's explanations, it is an improved mesh (polygon reflow in some areas, additional loops, more polygons in some areas, less in some, added EyeReflection spheres of about three hundred polygons smoothness), not ground up rebuild.
That makes me wish they had just offered and improved, female version of Genesis for purchase that would use all the same textures and morphs we've already bought. But that would defeat the purpose, I guess. I bet the new G2 is because there was too much compatibility with Genesis and the generation shape plug-ins you could buy. Once you had them, all your old content was refreshed and you didn't need to buy as much.
I really hope a lot of people don't buy into Genesis 2. Some people see it as an additional option but I feel it will cause PAs to have less time to create a variety of quality products as they try to support more figures. Look at all the new V6 stuff coming out now, it all looks very similar to the stuff we already have for genesis. I feel like we are sacrificing creativity & versatility for very minor detail improvements. Also if a lot of people are suckered into buying all the Genesis 2 content that may encourage DAZ to make new figures faster with minor improvements. For all the hassle of dealing with a new figure I want revolutionary changes, like the original shift from Generation 4 to Genesis.
erm..yep! Thanks for posting that. I wrote a post like that 3 times and had to scrap it because I couldn't find the right words :D Even for DAZ themselves, there should have been a gazillion possible products for Genesis, still, you'd think there was still a lot of money in the old figure. Why would they release a new one so quickly? Maybe they just realized that it's so much easier to readjust and resell all their old morphs every two years than coming up with new and unique ideas. I mean, we can't all be RawArt or smay. The uninspired V6 ProBundle at least isn't very encouraging in that regard.
Of course, that's just one possibility. Things usually don't happen for just one reason. And maybe they really are this invested in this new figure. That would explain the extensive marketing campaign and DAZ' increased presence in the forums to support this new figure.
I wonder if sadly all the diverse things are not selling as well as the standard fashion model stuff. Maybe it's like a lot of industries like movies and games where they do better selling the same stuff rehashed over and over. So it might be getting harder to come up with new stuff that sells so they just do a quick reboot. I don't know, just guessing here. All I know is nothing about Genesis 2 interests me so far.
That makes me wish they had just offered and improved, female version of Genesis for purchase that would use all the same textures and morphs we've already bought....
Agreed. Genesis 2 should have just been an upgrade of Genesis 1, not an entirely new model needing new morphs, etc. At the least, G2 should be able to use old Genesis morphs and V4 and V5 textures by default.
Genesis 2 is a completely new figure that contains little to no ability to morph out of the box, no backward compatibility with clothing (unless you buy a completely unrelated PA package) and not compatible with Genesis 1/V4 skins unless you take each skin you want to use with it and convert it. It's basically a clusterf... um, an unnecessary figure.
Keep using Genesis 1. It has all you need (and maybe Genesis 2 will go away).
Genesis 2 is a completely new figure that contains little to no ability to morph out of the box, no backward compatibility with clothing (unless you buy a completely unrelated PA package) and not compatible with Genesis 1/V4 skins unless you take each skin you want to use with it and convert it. It's basically a clusterf... um, an unnecessary figure.
This is a bit not mistakenly worded.
G2F has some innate backward capability with Genesis and Genesis only. It can use Genesis clothes through autofit (if you have DS 4.6 installed) and it can use V5 textures (all several that exist).
To get V4 textures and clothes you need a MallenLane's product. Also you need to convert all skin matposes to duf format by loading and saving them.
Genesis 2 is a completely new figure that contains little to no ability to morph out of the box, no backward compatibility with clothing (unless you buy a completely unrelated PA package) and not compatible with Genesis 1/V4 skins unless you take each skin you want to use with it and convert it. It's basically a clusterf... um, an unnecessary figure.
Keep using Genesis 1. It has all you need (and maybe Genesis 2 will go away).
Or more accurately, Genesis clothing will AutoFit to Genesis 2 female; older clothing will not, except for V4 clothing if you buy the Victoria 4 for Genesis 2 Female product, but you can AutoFit to Genesis, save as a figure asset and then autofit that like any Genesis clothing. You can use non-V5 maps with G2F via the Map Transfer Tool in DS or, for V4 maps, via the Victoria 4 for Genesis 2 female product. It has mesh enhanced fro better morphing, especially for facial expressions and on the chest, hip and back, articulate toes, improved bending, and an eye-surface material (which is going back to an older feature) to catch reflections.
Is there a tutorial how to do it? I tried V4 to V5 map transfer but the result was bad.
I'm pretty sure there have been tutorials, but I can't recall where right now.
Just a quick question; should the Genesis 2 figure show up in Smart Content? I'm only seeing it in the Content Library.
Is there a tutorial how to do it? I tried V4 to V5 map transfer but the result was bad.
This is going to be the next thing I figure out. But I might wait. All my main characters are on V4 uv's. I do have a few toons that need hitomi so eventually I'll need to figure this out too. But I've figured out a lot this weekend so I can chill for a bit...
Oh SY has one on her deviant art page. However it talks about M4 gens so I didn't want to bother with it LOL. Maybe I could use it for V4 to V5 gens? But seriously I know she has one if you go to her DA page. Wasn't for Genesis 2, but not sure why it wouldn't' work. Concept would be the same.
This is a bit not mistakenly worded.
G2F has some innate backward capability with Genesis and Genesis only. It can use Genesis clothes through autofit (if you have DS 4.6 installed) and it can use V5 textures (all several that exist).
To get V4 textures and clothes you need a MallenLane's product. Also you need to convert all skin matposes to duf format by loading and saving them.
I stand corrected--Genesis 2 is a new figure that comes with a lot of "this only works if you have this or if you do that" and also a lot of "but you need this or you need that version of that." Basically it has a lot of restrictions and conditions that Genesis one does not have at this point. Why anyone is running out use Genesis 2 at all is beyond me.
It's simple: "Oooh shiny!" 8-o