V6 Pro Suite?
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Okay, first, everyone in this community probably knows by now that I'm possible the biggest DAZ Iconic Character junkie in this place, possibly in the entire DAZ 3D realm itself. But for once I have to say... I am actually NOT all that thrilled to see G2F & V6 right now! I really wasn't ready for this and it actually has me afraid on whether or not I should buy anything right now while the sales are still hot... >_>
Which is why I would like to know if I should take advantage of the main products like the G2F Morphs Bundle, the V6 Pro Bundle, or the V4 For G2F now or see if there will eventually be a Pro Suite type of deal like there was with Genesis 1. I know I can't be the only one considering this, either.
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V4 for G2F is a PA item, so it would be slightly surprising if it was included in any future suite. As for whether, or when, there will be one I couldn't guess - I thought the V5 and M5 suites appeared alongside the Pro Bundles, at launch.
Not so. The V5 Pro Suite came out some time shortly after her launch. It was when DAZ first released the Photoshop bridge and the bundle was originally called the "3D Photoshop Model Pro Suite" or something like that...
You're thinking of the M5 Pro Suite. THAT one came out with M5 directly.
How patient are you? There is still the big PA sale in September if you have no immediate need for GF2. There may even be something sooner (after 60 days of course) where there will be better deals than now. So I see no harm in waiting to see if there is a Pro Suite.
Though I can be of no help on this topic, I hope you all don't mind me posting just to say: I LOOOOOOOOOOVE your signature SJHAYES2:
"And on the nineteenth day of the six month, Daz created woman without man. And Daz said it was good. Genesis 2F"
That's REALLY funny! LOL!
Thanks! : )
...and therein lies the rub as this is seemingly such an important tool to have since it is required to use the V4 UV map (on which a lot of character maps including some of the Gen 5 ones are based on) and for Autofit to work properly with V4 clothing. So unless the PA's store is on sale, one will have to pay the full list price for an extra utility that used to be a basic feature.
This is like the "nickle & dime" approach like the airlines use these days with what were once essential complementary services (don't be surprised if you see a card slot by the door of the loo in the near future). At the very least, the UV maps should have been part of the G2F figure like they were with the original Genesis.
From what I learned as to why this came about, it gives me doubts whether we will see all of "legacy" shapes for G2 like we have for the original Genesis, which means loss of their UV maps and loss of versatility with regards to clothing fits.
...and therein lies the rub as this is seemingly such an important tool to have since it is required to use the V4 UV map (on which a lot of character maps including some of the Gen 5 ones are based on) and for Autofit to work properly with V4 clothing. So unless the PA's store is on sale, one will have to pay the full list price for an extra utility that used to be a basic feature.
This is like the "nickle & dime" approach like the airlines use these days with what were once essential complementary services (don't be surprised if you see a card slot by the door of the loo in the near future). At the very least, the UV maps should have been part of the G2F figure like they were with the original Genesis.
From what I learned as to why this came about, it gives me doubts whether we will see all of "legacy" shapes for G2 like we have for the original Genesis, which means loss of their UV maps and loss of versatility with regards to clothing fits.
I'm far from an expert on this, but it was my understanding that you could auto-fit clothes on Genesis then save it, and then G2F could auto-fit from that. Now the UV maps are another matter. What really gets my goat is that G2F will not even take S5 or A5 UVs. That stinks more than a baby's diaper. : (
Your referring to what used to be called the "Studio Pro Suite " bundle however someone probably errorrd when loading the skewer into Magnetosphere cause it is now the $200 bundles also called "Pro Suite ". No wonder the confusion.
..yeah, that's a lot of extra hoops to jump through to do what I can with just a couple clicks using the original Genesis.
...and yes, the UV map issue is a big one. Not about to pay 15$ a pop for each one I need.
Yeah, what is up with that? It's bad enough I have to repurchase something that was a natural function on G1, now I have to cross my fingers and hope that DAZ releases something that will allow me to use the Gen 5 female skins?
Unless there's going to be a "Gen 5 Iconic Shapes for Genesis 2" that comes with all of their UVs, or 3DUniverse comes out with a Texture Convertour 3 that handles Gen 5 textures, this new "upgrade" just disappointed me more than it already has...
While I really like the G2 model as such and can understand the reasoning for its design, the UV maps are one of the biggest gripes I got. The V4 UV map wouldn't have existed without PA support? At least that is what is being said. Come on, this is THE most used UV map in the DAZ / Poser universe. Somehow DAZ didn't think that some additional UV map support could perhaps help to establish G2 and should've been driven (or at least sold) in-house as a priority? Not to mention that we had to deal with UV map inflation in Genesis for whatever reason and apparently only V5 remains of these to get support for now.
MallenLane does a great job and is one of the PAs I appreciate a lot, but the UV map issue should have been dealt with by DAZ. And, yes, due to how this was handled I don't expect any other support in this area really, apart from the M4 UV map once the "G2 Male" figure is out.
Well, at least there is a slight bright side to this... Because we have the V4 UV, we can use the YT5 textures on G2F.
...but to do that one has to spend extra for a feature that was already included with the original Genesis, and one Daz in their wisdom did not want to support with this release until MallenLane stepped in to rescue it. I have no ill will towards the PA., mine and others' frustration over this is aimed at Daz..
It also makes me wonder when the next round of "vaulting" will occur.
We can only hope that MallenLane will take the time to work up the UVs for other Iconic figures, like Mike4, AIko3/4, Steph4 , David3, The Freak, and maybe even Kids4.
Keep in mind, V4 for Genesis2 is also required for getting clean fits when using the Autofit tool so if the other iconic shapes are not supported, that means even more loss of what is supposed to be the core of the whole Genesis concept: it's versatility.
Hence why I call it a SLIGHT bright side. If I had to choose, I'd rather have DAZ throw it across the room and tell us to go pick it up ourselves then to have them throw it out the window and tell us we can't have it at all.
I actually tried asking MallenLane himself in his topic about if there's anything he's going to do for the other Gen 4 & Gen 3 Iconic Shapes (as well as if there's anything in the works for a Hitomi 2 or another new character). Though, the man seems to be avoiding acknowledging it...
...if he or nobody else picks this up, in my book Daz will have shot themselves in the foot by taking this approach.
I certainly won't be adopting it if that is the case as such limitations and totally kill the whole idea of the Genesis concept.
Someone in one of these threads referred to V6 as" Vicky 4.4" I tend to find myself agreeing with them.
Well, being the pushy bastard that I am, I went ahead and went so far as to PM MallenLane directly about the matter. From M4 for G2M, to clones for Gen 4 & Gen 3, to Hitomi 2/a new character, all he said was that he can't answer any of those questions...
That's mean yes. : )
From the way DAZ mishandled things with BF2 and V6 with the gender split, I'd be surprised if any of the planned generation 6 figures gain much popularity except as interesting curiousities.
And I agree with Kyoto Kid. V6 is more like V4.4.
Well Gen2f and V6 are enough to make this long standing hold out decide that it may be worth upgrading my Poser so I can use her.
From the way DAZ mishandled things with BF2 and V6 with the gender split, I'd be surprised if any of the planned generation 6 figures gain much popularity except as interesting curiousities.
And I agree with Kyoto Kid. V6 is more like V4.4.
That's what most of us said back when we were guessing whether or not there was actually going to be a Gen 5 beyond Victoria & Michael.
But why "V4.4"? When did get a V4.3?
That's what most of us said back when we were guessing whether or not there was actually going to be a Gen 5 beyond Victoria & Michael.
But why "V4.4"? When did get a V4.3?
Never got a V4.3, but doesn't change the fact that V6 (slightly better enhancements or not) is a step backwards not a step forwards. Thus, V4.4.
Speaking for myself about the 5th generation, I believed with the morphing capability of Genesis, we didn't even need the majority of the 5th generation because we could just dial our own 5th generation. Now with DAZ doing the gender splitting, that applies even more so now then it did then. If I want V6 or any 6th generation, I'll dial my own with Genesis's far superior morphing capabilities. Plus, someone came out with a freebie that gives us the power to turn Genesis into V6 (but I'd have to own the V6 base and BF2 for it to work). So, there's that.
DAZ will, without a doubt, keep releasing Generation 6 figures. It won't erase the fact that their morphing capabilities will never match the versatility and power of Genesis.
I disagree. No matter how versatile a thing becomes, there is ALWAYS room for improvement, ESPECIALLY in a world that's always evolving like 3D.
If anything, I think BECAUSE of this split there IS a need for a Gen 6 more than ever now. If DAZ is going to make an ideal model for G2F (V6) there's going to need to be one for G2M (M6); If there's going to be a more realistic, everyday woman for G2F (S6) then there will need to be a male that serves the same element (D6); G2F getting a stylized/toon genre anime (A6) will call for an anime boy for G2M (H6), and so on...
Yes, if this were true, there would have been a D4, I agree. But I think seeing D5 says DAZ and MallenLane got the message now.
I disagree. No matter how versatile a thing becomes, there is ALWAYS room for improvement, ESPECIALLY in a world that's always evolving like 3D.
If anything, I think BECAUSE of this split there IS a need for a Gen 6 more than ever now. If DAZ is going to make an ideal model for G2F (V6) there's going to need to be one for G2M (M6); If there's going to be a more realistic, everyday woman for G2F (S6) then there will need to be a male that serves the same element (D6); G2F getting a stylized/toon genre anime (A6) will call for an anime boy for G2M (H6), and so on...
Yes, if this were true, there would have been a D4, I agree. But I think seeing D5 says DAZ and MallenLane got the message now.
I disagree as well. While BF2, and soon to be BM2, there have been "slight" improvements on bending and a few facial dials Genesis doesn't have, these "Gender Specific Shapes" will always be limited to one gender. Let's say all the morph packs and all the generation 6 figures are already out (including alien and monster morphs). Guess what? They too will be gender specific. Clothes will be gender specific. Everything will now be gender specific. No longer can I mix and match any female shape with my male ones, monster shapes, aliens shapes, cross dressing without resorting to some third party program or a plugin, etc, the list goes on. And there will be, without a doubt, be morph packs made that will be made only for one of the two genders (male or female) and not both. We've seen that already in past generations as well as wishing some clothes for this guy could fit to this woman, etc.
I'm sorry, but Generation 6 can be as advanced as it wants to be in regards to more realistic bending and a few extra bells and whistles in the face. That Generation will face many of the same problems that plagued previous generations that GENESIS was supposed to have erased forever with it's revolutionary unisex mesh. Nothing will surpass it unless DAZ gets their head in the game and makes a new Genesis unisex mesh in the future (and I hope they will).
Edited to add: Uhh, more realistic everyday women? DAZ has never made one. Every single one of their figures they have made look like super models including the Stephanie's. Only PA's come out with those kind and even those are few and far between.
Exactly. Everyone is speculating that DAZ deliberately split Genesis to sell twice as much content as before. I couldn't agree more that all of this is a giant shot in the foot. But we can rant and rave about this all we want, but it doesn't change the fact that they did this. And because they did this, you bet that a lot of people, very much including myself, are going to have heaven-high expectations for support for this generation. And from what MallenLane explained, they don't seem to be interested in supporting previous generations, either. So what this tells me is that the purity of DAZ's plan is to recreate the rabid demand for EVERYTHING that we need again and in doing so, destroy ALL excuses for not making them.
Because of this, people are going to want equivalence in gender clothing more than ever now; they WILL be expecting twice the production rate of creature packs; they WILL be expecting twice as many morph sets, they WILL be expecting all the Iconic genres to be released with their respective gender counterparts; and hell, the fact that G2F (and most likely) G2M don't have Child morphs just rekindled the fire for Teens/Kids support. Again, all more than ever before.
This may just seem like another up-in-arms spout about the issue, but if I was DAZ or even a PA, I'd take this as a serious warning. This was all probably more acceptable back in Gen 4 when the concept was new to the DAZ & Poser community, but this is now Genesis's world they're messing with. They made the first impression two years ago that Genesis is the most versatile 3D modeling figure to date. They said back at V5's debut that anything for Genesis would work with anything in the future, and their video commercials pitched to us that Genesis' possibilities were "Infinite". They dared to gamble with the Poser community with Genesis 1 and now they're gambling with us, the actual DAZ home base, with Genesis 2. If they royally screw this up, I think it will actually seriously impact them. I happened to explain just yesterday in another topic that, as "successful" as V6 is right now, everyone should be reminded that most of DAZ's consumers are the hobbyists, and independent 3D artists/content producers. The PC forum will show you that people aren't afraid to walk away from DAZ with with the dignity they have for their hobby/art and money. So, if they start loosing the rest of us this time, it will not end well.
Hey Guys,
I use Genesis (1? the Genesis that works with V5 ) but when using the new genesis i cant seem to find things like ( alien hybrid head ) or similar...?!
I have many of the Genesis 1 stuff like Zombie morph and other stuff...
now with genesis 2 i cant use them at all?
http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-evolution-head-morphs
My main OC Vyra is a mix of many morphs and with genesis 2 i cant reproduce her...
Genesis 2 ( female stuff ) it isnt really THAT good...its more of a fix/update.. but with no compatibilty to my other stuff....
Vyra is made of 3% of V5 Body Shape ( head is completely Genesis ), all the rest is Genesis evolution and smililar sliders...
any way to make all my genesis stuff work on genesis 2 ( victoria 6 ) ?
G2F was just released last week, so there's not much support for her right now. Neither is it naturally compatible with anything from G1. However, you can Auto-Fit Genesis 1 clothing (as well as V4 clothing if you get MallenLane's product) to Genesis 2. But for anything regarding morphs has no upgrade support at the current moment. So, if you want creatures and anything that's not the Basic Female base or V6, you'll have to wait for them to hit the store. In the meantime the Genesis 2 Female Morphs Bundle will help you a bit. They're G2's version of the Evolution Morphs.
And it's already happening...
And what is already happening? ;)
Base figures can't be "realistic everyday women," they have to be idealized even for the "ordinary" types, otherwise they aren't versatile enough.
Base figures can't be "realistic everyday women," they have to be idealized even for the "ordinary" types, otherwise they aren't versatile enough.
Granted Stephanie isn't all that plain and average, she is supposed to be more petite and natural looking. DAZ even explained in S5's description that they modeled her from the scan data of a real woman (like they did with Reby Sky). Victoria, on the other hand, is always designed on top-notch supermodel idealism, built like an ultra movie star goddess. I'm not saying they probably don't use scan data for Victoria or Michael either, but everyone can see that those two are far more sculpted than Stephanie & David are.