Dynamic Clothes for Daz Studio & Genesis
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Guys
how does one go about making dynamic clothing for Genesis?
Is is as simple as an obj file for using Magnificent Designer 2 or what?
I've got the Dynamic Controller and the result of using that prompts this question.
Stefan
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Making DS dynamics requires access to the OptiTex clothing design tools - on the order of $10,000 which is why most items are collaborations between the designer and "Optitex", who use the tools to create the clothing. It isn't yet something we can do.
Thank you!
I notice Marvelous Designer 3 is due, I wonder if export Daz is a feature?
Stefan
It still wont work as Dynamic Clothing in DAZ Studio, it will only be able to be imported as a static mesh.
There are some people here who use MD who may be able to help, but I think they have a 30 day trial of the program, you could try that when it comes out.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we need a more permanent dynamic cloth solution for Daz Studio. It's also the reason I still use Poser's cloth room for all my draping needs.
Hi Guys
Thank you one and all for your comments. It is no surprise to me that the creator of the Dynamic Cloth Control is Optitex themselves and one of the more expensive of plugins.
It surprises me that even today those in marketing and sales cannot understand the basic economics pricing a product: Intellectual property is a short lived advantage, the returns that count come from good design and service across the multitude that follow. It is why I'm an Apple-man having seen Windows metamorphose into a clanking wreck - good for some but open to doubt for most.
Sorry for the rant but as an interested amateur I see this kind of hogging of development as greed and misguided as best.
I will indeed ask MD if you haven't already, I already have MD 2.
I'll watch the space but Daz, dynamic clothing is ultimately where things are going and that includes integrated hair as well.
Thanks again
Stefan
It's not a plugin.
Optitex got it's start in the fashion industry, not the content industry. Their apps are for fashion houses, not your average hobbyist. Not exactly sure how it all started with DAZ but when it was first announced some one made some pie in the sky statements about just what DAZ was going to offer. As you can see, we never got the dynamic clothing creation suite. And we certainly aren't getting new items every week.
Marvelous designer is also a quite pricey app which the price of is apparently so scary they wont give it out; even after I've logged in. lol
Not saying you couldn't get both and use them to make dynamic clothes for Studio, but do you have $20k to throw at it?
:ohh:
Note: You can get good draping with practically any conforming clothes, with bullet physics; soft cloth, in carrara 8.5. ;-)
I noticed, yesterday, that if I try to render a scene in Reality (Luxrender) containing Dynamic Cloth (in this case, just a plain sheet called "King Size Sheet" from Optitex), Daz Studio just crashes instantly. I didn't have time to investigate further - I tried it 3 times and got 3 crashes - but it might be due to the cloth, my Op. Sys. (Mac OS X, 64 bit), Reality 2.5 or the cloth item itself.
I just deleted the cloth from the scene and rendered as normal.
Thanks again for the observations and advice.
I was aware Optitex were fashion based and I have (when I had money) MD 2 which is a good thing for Poser.
I've tried the creation of dynamic cloth in Poser and the development of its Clothing Page is good. Equally I have Carrara 8.5 but had to strip it out one day for disk space. Maybe now I've got 2TB of space I'll reinstall and test it again. Using Download Manager and having all my kit in one place now may also encourage me.
Still doesn't obviate the question: Dynamic Clothes - way to go!
As far as the failed render of Dynamic Cloth in DS4.6? I've tried both Lux and Reality with the attached result on a very simple outfit. The jumper is Optitex "Boyfriend Sweater" (don't get me wrong they've a set of pages for free dynamic clothes that are good!). The difference is time to render and the way Paolo/Lux handle materials but as you see, rendered.
Perhaps your system? Mine is a MacPro, 10.7.5, Dual Quad core 2009 late, with standard video and running DS4.6 pro.
Stefan
I have some genuine gripes about the dynamic clothing support for Daz. Firstly the current plugin itself is horribly buggy and is responsible for the only crashes I've had using Daz Studio thus far. Secondly, the 'free' plugin which comes with Daz Studio has some major poke-through issues, far beyond the level expected, and no means of controlling it. Thirdly, no means of scaling any of them so many of the outfits are too rigid in their use. Lastly, while I'm not opposed to paying extra for the dynamic clothing I hesitate to do so when the plugin creators and select individuals are the only ones capable of releasing compatible outfits. The fewer people that can create outfits, the less variety and less interest I have in it.
Honestly though, I would love to see a plugin which allows you to 'clothify' outfits like Poser's cloth room. That function would be worth it's metaphorical weight in platinum.
I have some genuine gripes about the dynamic clothing support for Daz. Firstly the current plugin itself is horribly buggy and is responsible for the only crashes I've had using Daz Studio thus far. Secondly, the 'free' plugin which comes with Daz Studio has some major poke-through issues, far beyond the level expected, and no means of controlling it. Thirdly, no means of scaling any of them so many of the outfits are too rigid in their use. Lastly, while I'm not opposed to paying extra for the dynamic clothing I hesitate to do so when the plugin creators and select individuals are the only ones capable of releasing compatible outfits. The fewer people that can create outfits, the less variety and less interest I have in it.
Honestly though, I would love to see a plugin which allows you to 'clothify' outfits like Poser's cloth room. That function would be worth it's metaphorical weight in platinum.
Agree. I've beat my head against that wall for too long. I was hot to get dynamics working again; as in to export and work in carrara. But I think the optitex clothes worked better in DS3. I have been trying since DAZ got it to work; Studio, dynamic clothing sim to carrara. But have yet to get anything usable, poke through and/or limb snagging renders the sims unusable. My best example is on my other HDD, but it was 2 weeks of frustration trying to use the cargo pants and hoody on M4. Once the poke through started it continued till it snagged, so after a few seconds the clothes looked knotted to M4 not being worn by M4.
Again, I thought this was just me not knowing how to scale them. That sheet I mentioned - I scaled it down to 25% and started the drape - it grew back again. There are times when Dynamic Cloth is the only way I can achieve what I want but the DAZ solution is so poor, I can understand why people choose other programs. I can't afford Poser and, actually, I don't enjoy the Poser interface, but then it is what you get used to, I guess. Just like Luxus and Reality.
As I said it worked a lot better in DS3. I didn't have many poke through issues, mostly hands snagging; easy to fix, and clothes sliding off lol But in DS4 I run in to constant poke through issues which ruin a sim fast. Once the poke though starts it's almost like the character body eats the clothes lol
I'm sort of following all the Dynamic threads and decided to do a test in DS4.6 just to see what I get.
This is M4 with the Free Doctor's coat from Optitex Fit-to in the T Pose. I then did a single drape, no issues. So I did this one, this is a 30 Frame Animated Drape. I saw no Issues at all. This was done with the Default Dynamic version that is included with DS4.6.
Here is Again the Doctors Coat loaded, NO Fit-to Just loaded, on Genesis with M4 Shape Morph in a 30 frame Animated Drape. Also in DS4.6 with the Basic Dynamic Plugin.
I only use Studio's dynamic clothing for animations. Drapes I can do in carrara ;-)
I notice you chose poses that do not have limbs in contact with any other part of the body. Try a kneeling pose or something where the forearm is in contact with the body. The cloth just forms itself around the touching body parts.
Then try scaling the clothes to fit a smaller figure.
Then try rendering with Reality.
I'd be interested to see whether it is just my ignorance of how to do it. I admit I don't have a clue what all the physics parameters mean so maybe I'm missing some techniques, but I don't see how they could affect scaling or rendering.
DAZ Dynamic Clothing made using the Optitex software cannot be scaled.
Most of the clothing that you will find, has been made for Victoria 4 or Michael 4, it can often work well with Genesis figures, but it is NOT made for them.
Hi again,
Whilst I try to install Carrara again without it crashing, a technical question
In Poser you can import an obj file and have it act like a dynamic cloth (subject to constraining etc) but what is the technical difference between Poser and Daz Studio that makes this so difficult for DS?
What are the file formats for DS Dynamic cloth and where the difference to obj?
Stefan
As stated above, the DAZ Studio Dynamic Clothing is made using the Optitex software, and runs using the DCC plugin for DAZ Studio, also made by Optitex. Poser has a built in Clothing Room, DAZ Studio has no such thing. You cannot use Optitex Dynamic Clothing without the plugin in DAZ Studio.
I notice you chose poses that do not have limbs in contact with any other part of the body. Try a kneeling pose or something where the forearm is in contact with the body. The cloth just forms itself around the touching body parts.
Then try scaling the clothes to fit a smaller figure.
Then try rendering with Reality.
I'd be interested to see whether it is just my ignorance of how to do it. I admit I don't have a clue what all the physics parameters mean so maybe I'm missing some techniques, but I don't see how they could affect scaling or rendering.For touching body parts you are correct they cause issues. It always has. I've never sent Dynamics to Reality, not sure I even wish to try. I was only showing that they do work and it's not hard for basic use. The only way I've fixed the body touching thing is to cheat and use poses/camera angles that look right when it's really not. If you follow that.