I have just started using DS 4.6 here is what I think about DS
GreatLord
Posts: 0
Hi
Some background history of me
I am a hard core devloper of software and hardware and website.
I have always done some short movies with papper and pen and colour it for hand.
few people have seen my movies I done. I have been looking at Daz3D from version 2.x to 4.6. Last time I did buy allot of contains and other thing that should have been use to producs a movies and he should learn me basic of Daz3D but some how he did dispary and I never manger get hold on him. I even pay him lite bit in advance for that project. Big mistake. Now some year later I started learn basic in Poser2012 and found out Poser2012 have both good and bad side.
Here is small compare I found out.
Bad thing about Poser 2012
1) I never figout how the voice works in Poser 2012
2) The Colth room room in Poser 2012 need be better
3) Render enginge are slow
Good thing about Poser 2012
1) Getting allot of figures and props
2) Allot of rending mode
3) Desgin you own hair (bit hard todo)
4) Animate walk desgin for two legs figures
Now to Daz 4.6
Bad thing with Daz 4.6
1) A Bit expensive start cost
2) Few rending mode only two
3) No walk desgin
4) No desgin mode for hair
Good thing with Daz 4.6 Pro
1) Extrem easy to use
2) Animate with key frame work simluare as Poser 2012
3) Very easy adding speak to the figure (only for 32 bits)
4) Great tool for auto fit allot better that Poser Colth room
But I have buy allot of stuff to getting better that Poser 2012
1) AniMate2
2) Mimic Live
3) Allot of containts
4) Visual shader
5) Manga Shaders
-------------------------------
This two program I think should exists in Daz3D store
1) MorphVoxPro good program to create diffent voice
2) Program that capture kinect movement and record the bvh
I Just got almost everthing now I need to make my frist move in Daz3D
I just finish the model for frist figure with cloth on and using Visual shader
Daz 3D is part of 
Connect
DAZ Productions, Inc.
7533 S Center View Ct #4664
West Jordan, UT 84084
Licensing Agreement | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | EULA
© 2024 Daz Productions Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Comments
Daz Studio is FREE, therefore there is no start cost. The only thing you pay for is the content you use which can be used in both Poser and Daz Studio in most cases. By default you get access to the Genesis figure and Genesis 2 Female, but you can enhance these with additional purchases.
Hair design can be done using one of two plugins - Garibaldi and Look At My Hair (LAMH), both of which offer some nice styling and material options for creating dynamic hairstyles. They are paid plugins, but then you also pay for Poser, so it balances out in my opinion. As for walk designers, you can use AniBlocks (even the free version) which can be connected together and 'baked' to form a walking animation. These animations will also move the figure.
As for rendering modes, it should be noted that 3Delight has a scripted engine which can be tailored for specific scenes. This would of course require a knowledge of how to code it, but essentially that means that 3Delight has countless 'modes' for rendering scenes. There are also plugins for using different render engines like Octane or Luxrender.
2) Mimic Live
3) Allot of containts
4) Visual shader
5) Manga Shaders
Content would need to be purchased whether you use Poser or Daz Studio. Poser comes with some default content, but to be honest I was never impressed with the figure quality. Some of the props are quite serviceable though, and I still use one of the vehicles which came with my copy of Poser Pro.
Both the Visual and Manga style shaders can be reproduced without purchasing them if you're adept at using the Shader Mixer. Poser's 'toon' rendering mode only works well for certain types of shader anyway, and isn't a catch-all solution. You would need to purchase shaders for Poser as well to get the most out of it, or learn how to piece them together yourself using the more advanced options. I will agree with Mimic though, but then it's still cheaper than a Poser purchase once it's all tallied up.
Without actually analysing your comments One thing does stand out. You are using the term DAZ 3D. Daz 3D is the Company. Daz Studio is the program which you are talking about. Can you please edit your thread title to avoid confusion. Thankyou.
HeraldOfFire
Thanks for the comment.
On my computer Daz3d Studio 4.6 Pro 3Delight render engner is faster that Poser firefly
it seam 3Deliget using 100% of my computer against firefly using only 20% GPU and 100% of one cpu core of my computer power. why I do not known Poser 2012 firelfy does not using full power of my computer. But Daz3D Studio 4.6 Pro using everthing to 100%. with same screen setup
The hardware setup is
AMD FX-8150 8 core (3.6 to 4.2 Ghz)
Memory DDR3 2100Mhz (running at 1600Mhz)
Graphic card Radeon HD 7950
Memory : 8GB
Start cost
Is you do not alomst not getting any contain with DAZ 3D Studio to beign with.
you must buy contains to use it and few plugins that will make Daz3D studio bit more expeinsve that poser 2012.
Hair design
Thanks for the tip I will look at thuse two plugins later
Which render engine are best
3Delight / Octane or Luxrender ?
chohole
Sorry I mean Daz Studio 4.6 Pro
by what i saw, Octane only can work with Nvidia Graphic Cards, so seeing you have a (fantastic) AMD HD7950 Octane might be off limits.
Luxrender is great, though quite slower than 3Delight and requires some time and practice to obtain the results you want. Besides, the current bridge to render with Luxrender from Daz studio is not foolproof and only allows limited direct translation of shaders and lights; on the other hand it can also take advantage of your GPU to enhance rendering times.
That is not entirely correct kesh. Octane will and can use the CPU to render but like Lux it will take a long time. Octane comes in to its own with Nvidia GPU rendering via Cuda. How many cuda cores you have will dictate the rendering speed. You can also use two GPU's to render with Octane.
The two things you mentioned that I am curious about are what you mean by 2) Allot of rending mode
and also you equate the Poser cloth room with autofit. and yet you say Poser 2012.
Autofit and the cloth room are 2 different things. The latest Poser (2014 ?) does come apparently come with something similar to autofit.
The poser cloth room in all other versions of poser since Poser 5 is for dynamic clothing, which while maybe not perfect is certainly very usable.
Realistically you get enough for free to see if this is something you want to pursue or drop. If you want to learn how to paint, or sculpt or draw then one way or another you have to buy supplies unless your medium is dragging your finger in the dirt. You conclusion about plug-in cost is not accurate; you have multiple rendering options within 3Delight out of Studio included with the free download. There are literally hundreds of people on these forums who have spent next to nothing on this hobby because Daz Studio is insanely cost effective for what it does.
If you want free content there a dozens of sites that offer it, or you could learn 3d modeling and make your own,
Your a "Hard Core" programmer, developer; Do you get paid for what you do or do you work for free?
chohole
render mode
I mean you got toon and default render preset in Daz3D studio 4.6 Pro but in firely it come allot of options to render in firefly
About coth room in Poser 2012
I maybe are not fair on this point. form my point of view.
I compare Daz3D autofit with Poser2012 colth room it was maybe not fair.
But autofit tool in Daz3D are more easy to use. but Poser 2012 colth room are more advance
StratDragon
I am doing some stuff for 100% free I did work on reactos.org allot of year for free and I also working to earn money.
I never say that Daz3D should be free or cost money.
What I think is if Daz3D create a packages with for Daz3D studio with some figures include moprh and driffent props driffent screen set.
and take money for it. I look at the started bundle they are not really enguth to start with. and sell it around 30-40USD
I think that should be great. for people that will start doing some animations or pose
This is what I mean about the Poser cloth room not equating to autofit. The cloth room only uses dynamic clothing, and you can get results like this, but you need to run an animated drape to do it. Autofit is more concerned with conforming items to the figure using conforming items, not dynamic items.
As Cho pointed out above they're two different tools meant to do different things. Yes, dynamic clothing is much more advanced than conforming clothing. In Poser there is a tool - CrossDresser I believe - that basically attempts to add autofit like functionallity.
Did you look at the Genesis Starter Essentials and Genesis 2 Female Starter Essentials? Genesis starter essentials comes with Genesis, several clothing outfits and props and a couple of complete scenes used in the tutorials.
You can make some pretty decent scenes with just that gear. Of course, if fantasy isn't your thing it may be a bit limiting.
Since a new copy of Poser 10 (the latest version) lists for $299.99 and Poser Pro 2014 is $499.99 you can buy a ton of content before you come close to the base price of either product. I haven't checked what comes default with either (characters/clothing/hair/props wise) but I'm guessing you can get a similar setup for DS for less. The advantage would be that you'd spend the money on content that fit what you were trying to render.
You also really need to check out the General Freepozitory section of the forums and browse through the lists of all of the free content available. Most of this content will also work in Poser so you can actually do an apples to apples comparison of using the products.
Personally, I prefer DS because I've never been able to make Poser do the things I can do in DS fairly easily. I'm sure this isn't a fault of Poser but a conflict with how I think and its interface. I have similar problems using Blender and Bryce, I just can't wrap my head around the UI.
chohole
Thanks your clearfly what ypou did mean with poser 2012 colth room, Can I do simluare thing in Daz3D or do I need switch to Poser 2012 todo it.
Sisca
I already have Genesis Starter Essentials and Genesis 2 Female Starter Essentials
About render and settings
I am not newbis on using 3D program, My frist I use was image 3.0 on Amiga many year ago later Real3D on Amiga, I known how to use blender as well.
But I do not have same amount of time for create own model in 3D any more. I do not known all rending setting in Daz3D Studio 4.6 Pro. But I known how to use
shaders. But not how create own shader I found Daz3D Bryce 7 Pro more easy to create own shader and use it
Thanks for the tip about General Freepozitory I will look into their I know also about sharecg.com and cgtexture.com
for free contains and textures