PAs Listing Products Used In Promos
Faeryl Womyn
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Why don't the merchants have to list the products used in their promo's? When you consider how big each site is about giving proper credit, I find it strange that Daz does not insist on credit being given for items used in promo's. This would greatly reduce the need for so many posts from people asking what item was used in an image for a product. We have had some wonderful people here try to answer such posts and in most cases the right answer is found, yet still does not change the fact proper credit is not being given. If I were a merchant with an outfit or character someone decided to use in their promo images, you better believe I want it mentioned, it's only right that this is done.
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DAZ3D does not require that we list the products used. They do require that we only use products sold through DAZ3D.
Sometimes and only sometimes you can use other products from other sites if you have a specific reason behind it:)
Attribution is not required for many products sold commercially.
It's not required, but it's kind of a good gesture. Other stores do it, and imo would help sales here (since people can be like ooo what's that? *click*) and it would really help to narrow down all of the "what hair/clothing/figure/skin/etc is this?" threads.
In a way, promos for one product are essentially free advertising for other products used in the promo renders.
Then I am confused. It has always been my understanding that if I make an image, I am to state what products were used to give proper credit. This is something I come across practically everywhere I go online. Same for using images as promo's. It doesn't matter if all the products come from Daz, if the items in the image are not all from the vendor posting the promo's, does it not make sense to give credit? And as I said in the first post, removes the posts of people inquiring about what item was used in the promo's.
I actually like the idea, Calie. At this time, there isn't a place for us to list the products used when we submit our artwork for promos, but I would have no problems with it.
Just a note too, but you may get more attention to the issue if you renamed the topic to something actually relating to it. Something like, "PAs listing products used in promos".
Yeah, otherwise some merchants might come into the thread already feeling defensive, which is unnecessary
Ok title changed. I was not attempting to attach, simply wanted to know why it was not done and does anyone agree it should be.
I don't post attribution for my commercial or hobby work unless I want to promote the product or help people learn. Reason is, I pay for this privilege to use the product, and unless the license specifically states I must do so- in which case I would never buy from that vendor, I do not.
Just as I do not post disclosures on the clipart and photos I use in designing brochures. =-)
I do list the products used in my promos - its in the PDF, which is linked to via DAZ's wiki
Freebies often require attribution, but commercial items (in the Poser/DS world) rarely if ever do. A gallery may well require that you acknowledge your sources, depending on its nature, to avoid people claiming expertise they don't possess but that's separate.
I'd like to add my vote to encourage PA's to do this.
I'm not sure I'd want to make it a requirement since that puts an extra burden on the PA however, they really should have that information readily available when they're making the images just to be sure they're not using something that can't be used commercially so maybe it wouldn't be that difficult for them to add it to the bottom of the text.
If, as was mentioned above, Daz requires them to only use items available in the Daz store (with certain exceptions) then I'd think it makes sense from Daz's point of view to ask the to provide the list. If I was on the Daz sales team I'd want that to put in at the bottom of the product write up along with links to the referenced products. Only makes sense that it would generate more sales for Daz.
What Richard says makes sense about Gallery use and credit, it's a way of showing how you created your image and provides added advertisement to the vendors of the products you used. In the case of promo images for selling a product, I am not saying you list every single item used, that would be hard to do. But if you use someone else's hair, or clothing or character, then that provides extra advertising and less people asking what something is. This is particularly true for advertising if they are using their own products in the promo of a new item. The main questions on the forums is about character, hair and clothing, so mentioning these in the promo's benefits everyone.
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looking at a store page I dont see why an extra tab could not be added to list products from the DAZ3D store that were used.
Good point Mattymanx, I do believe they have something similar at Rendo, they also have tabs for Gallery images if people want to see more of something in use, though I am not suggesting they add that as well...lol...only interested in what items are being used.
They used to list additional promo image items on the first tab in the first box. There's no reason why this couldn't be standard practice. Perhaps a PA might feel listing other items takes some of the attention off their item, but I can only see it helping sales for them as well as everyone else.
Promos are best left to show off the item they need to. I can see one or two items listed such as perhaps special lights and shaders but other then that it could get a bit over done. As a PA I would rather have it listed in a tab on the product page so those who want to know can go look instead of trying to fit it into a promo image and distract from promoting the new item.
I agree with Mattymanx. I remember from my days of making signatures and having to list the artists to give credit, which I understand is still a must for those in 2D, and it always detracted from the image.
I like the idea of adding another tab. I mean they have one in there solely to provide 1-2 texture resource zips. Why not just add another for promo credits.
Where do you see / where were you told that we cannot use other stores' products in our images? (And if we use an M4 skin from the Rendo shop on Genesis, when we illustrate the gun he's holding, how can they tell?)
That comment was made from a PA point of view, not as a general forum member
Where do you see / where were you told that we cannot use other stores' products in our images? (And if we use an M4 skin from the Rendo shop on Genesis, when we illustrate the gun he's holding, how can they tell?)
This was concerning product promos for items sold here at DAZ3D.
This was concerning product promos for items sold here at DAZ3D.
I get that: I'm putting together a package for the DAZ3D store, and didn't see that anywhere in the guidelines.
I dont see it either. I emailed them to let them know its missing.
I always use products not available here at Daz in my promos. I was under the impression it was more of a request and not a requirement any longer. At least Ive not been told different over the last few years. . .Would be good to know for sure if its still the case so I can start if thats indeed true.
It might not be necesary or required by Daz, but it should be.
I like how at Rendo credits are given on the product pages.
It helps make more sales because sometimes I actually WANT the look provided in the promo.
Worse comes to worse you can drop a line to the vendor.
They have always been forthcoming to me.
It isn't a requirement... its a nicety.
At its most base form, you are, for all intent and purpose, supposed to be advertising your set. The focus shouldn't be on other sets featured. Granted, if you do characters, you're going to have to use hair and clothing in your promotional images - but really, you're only responsible for advertising your set, and providing the information on it.
Most Vendors are cool in the fact if you PM them, they'll tell you what it was... or ones, such as in my case who do PDF's, will even list them there. But you are in no way, obligated to promote other things. And DAZ isn't obligated on giving ample space to properly provide all the links and list of things you would use in all your promo images (especially when it comes to offsite content)
Sometimes items like hair, that are not truly part of the set you're selling accentuate the face of the character being sold. There are some characters I buy because I'm looking for the TOTAL look offered in the promo. I have bought some characters and have been less than happy with the look until I put that specific hair on them. That completed the look.