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Have you ran a single 2070 Super bench with 4.14? If you don't mind, that would give us a more direct comparison to 4.12 as each of the 4 benches you ran were all different hardware configurations.
Also, do you plan on using Nvlink?
My humble conclusion for my personaly setup for 4.14 is,
1. NOT CPU friendly, turn off CPU rendering
2. GPU rendering speed has improved
EDIT: Answer to outrider "Also, do you plan on using Nvlink?"
I do have plans on using Nvlink, but not in the near future as things seem all good at the moment. If I do later, I will post benchmark.
Turning off CPU rendering is not new to 4.14. It's never been a good idea to combine CPU and GPU rendering unless your CPU renders faster than your GPU.
With my hardware, Daz 4.12 helped speed up the rendering, so I had it on. Whereas in 4.14, CPU hinders it, so I have it off.
My benchmark makes me agree with you and disagree with you at the same time.
GPU only Daz4.12
5 minutes 51.51 seconds
5.197 iterations per second
GPU+CPU Daz4.12 (winner) disagree
4 minutes 58.22 seconds
6.133 iterations per second
GPU only Daz4.14 (winner) agree
4 minutes 39.10 seconds
6.561 iterations per second
GPU+CPU Daz4.14
6 minutes 29.26 seconds
4.682 iterations per second
Quick test: beta 4.14.0.10 takes exactly as long as 4.14.0.8 (for me, on RTX2070S)
That's as expected because they have exactly the same version of Iray embedded in them (fwiw there's a breakdown of which Iray version correlates to what Daz Studio version at the start of this thread.)
That was my first thought, too, but then remembered talk about "how DAZ handles bump maps has improved".
I was hoping that maybe DAZ is on a roll and revisits old code because of Filament or whatever... but nope, no improvements this time.
I would love to see a new benchmark for the RTX 3080 with Daz Studio Ver. 4.14.
That's the GPU I'm considering over the 3090 for sheer cost to performance ratio. It seems 4.14 would make it even faster!
Waitting for the results with the rtx 3070 e rtx 3060 ti Benchmarks.
Just got my MSI 3090 and thought I add my benchmark to the list.
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crosshair VII Hero
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600
GPU: MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 VENTUS 3X OC 24GB GDDR6X
System Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200
OS Drive: Crucial MX300 525GB SATA
Asset Drive: WD Black 6TB - 7200 RPM SATA 6 Gb/s 128MB Cache
Operating System: Windows 10 Home (Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042)
Nvidia Drivers Version: 457.30
Daz Studio Version: 4.14.0.8
Benchmark Results
DAZ_STATS
2020-12-02 13:32:54.693 Finished Rendering
2020-12-02 13:32:54.728 Total Rendering Time: 1 minutes 41.61 seconds
IRAY_STATS
2020-12-02 13:33:02.249 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : Device statistics:
2020-12-02 13:33:02.249 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 0 (GeForce RTX 3090): 1800 iterations, 2.198s init, 96.199s render
Iteration Rate: (1800/ 101.61) =17.7147
Loading Time: ((101.61) - 96.199) = 5.411
1st test with the rtx 3060 ti + rtx 2060 :
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: MSI X470 Gaming Plus MAX
CPU: ADM Ryzen 5 @ 4200 Mhz
GPU: NVIDIA RTX 3060 TI (pny rtx 3060 ti xlr8 revel epic x rgb 8gb) @ 1665 MHZ, GPU: NVIDIA RTX 2060 (pny XLR8 Gaming OC) @ 1830 MHZ
System Memory: CORSAIR Prédator 32 GO @ 3200 MHZ
OS Drive: OCZ Vertex 4 128 GO
Asset Drive: SAMSUNG SSD 860 EVO 1TB
Operating System: W10 Pro Build 20262.fe_release.201113-1436
Nvidia Drivers Version: 457.51 GRD (NO studio for now)
Daz Studio Version: 4.14
Optix Prime Acceleration: STATE (Daz Studio 4.12.1.086 or earlier only)
Benchmark Results
DAZ_STATS
2020-12-04 17:14:46.393 Finished Rendering
2020-12-04 17:14:46.432 Total Rendering Time: 2 minutes 0.93 seconds
IRAY_STATS
2020-12-04 17:15:01.786 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : Device statistics:
2020-12-04 17:15:01.786 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 0 (GeForce RTX 3060 Ti): 1226 iterations, 1.826s init, 116.362s
render
2020-12-04 17:15:01.786 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 1 (GeForce RTX 2060): 574 iterations, 2.013s init, 115.969s render
Iteration Rate: (1800 / 116.36) 15.46 per second
Loading Time: ((0*3600+2*60+0.93) - 116.362) 4.568 seconds
RTX 3060 ti only :
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: MSI X470 Gaming Plus MAX
CPU: ADM Ryzen 5 @ 4200 Mhz
GPU: NVIDIA RTX 3060 TI (pny rtx 3060 ti xlr8 revel epic x rgb 8gb) @ 1665 MHZ
System Memory: CORSAIR Prédator 32 GO @ 3200 MHZ
OS Drive: OCZ Vertex 4 128 GO
Asset Drive: SAMSUNG SSD 860 EVO 1TB
Operating System: W10 Pro Build 20262.fe_release.201113-1436
Nvidia Drivers Version: 457.51 GRD (NO studio for now)
Daz Studio Version: 4.14
Optix Prime Acceleration: STATE (Daz Studio 4.12.1.086 or earlier only)
Benchmark Results
DAZ_STATS
2020-12-04 17:36:09.324 Finished Rendering
2020-12-04 17:36:09.360 Total Rendering Time: 2 minutes 53.70 seconds
IRAY_STATS
2020-12-04 17:36:21.652 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : Device statistics:
2020-12-04 17:36:21.658 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 0 (GeForce RTX 3060 Ti): 1800 iterations, 1.913s init, 169.040s render
Iteration Rate: (1800 / 169.040) 10.64 per second
Loading Time: ((0*3600+2*60+53.70) - 169.040) 4.66 seconds
Due to the silly GPU prices atm I decided to sell my 2060 super. I actually got back the money I spent on it over a year ago. I figured if I wait until 30 series are on the shelves then I'd only get around half of that.
In the mean time I managed to get a room heater, sorry a Titan x for a reasonable price. It's not quick by any means but it's probably the cheapest way to get a good amount of vram.
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: Asrock b450m steel legend
CPU: Ryzen 5 2600 @ stock
GPU: Titan X (maxwell) @ stock
System Memory: Corsair vengence 32GB @ 2933
OS Drive: Intel 660p 512gb
Asset Drive: Seagate Barracuda 2TB
Operating System: Windows 10 pro 19042
Nvidia Drivers Version: 457.51
Daz Studio Version: 4.12
Optix Prime Acceleration: N/A
Benchmark Results
DAZ_STATS
2020-12-05 16:45:47.383 Finished Rendering
2020-12-05 16:45:47.414 Total Rendering Time: 12 minutes 53.97 seconds
IRAY_STATS
2020-12-05 16:46:14.885 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : Device statistics:
2020-12-05 16:46:14.885 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 0 (GeForce GTX TITAN X): 1800 iterations, 2.879s init, 771.513s render
Iteration Rate: (1800 / 771.513) 2.33 iterations per second
Loading Time: ((0 * 3600 + 12 * 60 + 53.97) - 771.513) 2.457 seconds
The next post down is the same setup but with just the 3060Ti active.
@clab.hd989 am I correct in assuming this and this were done using DS version 4.14.2.008?
Similarly, @droidy001 am I correct in assuming this was done using DS version 4.12.1.117?
just wanna say, the 4.14 update litarily feels like a GPU update. went from 7M 48sec to 6m36sec on my old dying 2060. originally planned to buy a 3090 to fulfill the project I envisioned, now I think a 3080 or 3080 ti stack up with my 2060 should be plenty
It's 4.12.1.118
do I understand the figures on the first page right and 3060ti vs 3080 is about 15% difference only? but price is like 500 vs 800?
Well, looking at the numbers for the 3060 TI they are about 50 seconds slower than the 3090s numbers I've seen in this thread.
I don't see no 3080 or 3070 numbers though. I'm more interested in a 3070's numbers though from a personal affordability perspective. Did I miss those posts? I know those cards are the 2 most difficult to get.
As of this post, the only benchmark result we have for the 3080 was done on Daz Studio version 4.12.2.051 Beta. Whereas The onky 3060Ti and multiple of the 3090 results were done on DS version 4.14.0.008 Beta or newer. Since there was a major across-the-board rendering performance uplift for all graphics cards during that time, that 3080 result (nor the majority of the rest of the results compiled in this thread) is not as fast as it should be in comparison to those other 3000 series cards. We need someone to test/re-test a 3080 and post there resutls while running DS 4.14.0.008 or later here to know for sure how it really matches up.
I think we may need to change up the table a bit to better differentiate 4.14 from the previous versions. The performance change is just too dramatic, and anybody who casually looks at the chart may be mislead by the skewed results between different versions.
While DS versions are listed in the second chart, the big main table does not. I do not think we need to have every version of DS on there, since performance never really changed between them. But I think would should have a column on the chart just for 4.14 and even make it a different color so that it stands out from the rest. As well as a note at the top of the chart (since many people will not read notes at the bottom) describing what we have found with 4.14 so far. Every bench before 4.14 is now simply out of date.
So, @colcurve, what we have found is that just upgrading DS to 4.14 has offered a performance jump that is on par with a full tier upgrade of hardware...sometimes even more. Once somebody benches their 3080 with 4.14 I believe it will be faster than the 3090 was in 4.12. My 1080tis cut 30 seconds off their previous bench times. We have never seen a performance lift like this from just upgrading Daz, not since the introduction of Iray RTX.
Hi RayDAnt, is it possible that you have missed a few benchmarks?
I had tested RTX 2060, RTX 2070 Super and Ryzen 5 3600 in all combinations, both in 4.12, 4.14 Beta and 4.14, but I don't see them in the updated charts.
Wow 4.14 has knocked nearly 4 mins off the Titan X. The load time has more that doubled but this is only around 3 seconds more.
Iteration rate has gone from 2.457 to 3.31
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: Asrock b450m steel legend
CPU: Ryzen 5 2600 @ stock
GPU: Titan X (maxwell) @ stock
System Memory: Corsair vengence 32GB @ 2933
OS Drive: Intel 660p 512gb
Asset Drive: Seagate Barracuda 2TB
Operating System: Windows 10 pro 19042
Nvidia Drivers Version: 457.51
Daz Studio Version: 4.14.0.10
Optix Prime Acceleration: N/A
Benchmark Results
DAZ_STATS
2020-12-07 10:53:02.603 Finished Rendering
2020-12-07 10:53:02.634 Total Rendering Time: 9 minutes 9.30 seconds
IRAY_STATS
2020-12-07 10:53:13.510 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : Device statistics:
2020-12-07 10:53:13.510 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 0 (GeForce GTX TITAN X): 1800 iterations, 2.275s init, 543.949s render
Iteration Rate: (1800 / 543.949) 3.31 iterations per second
Loading Time: ((0 * 3600 + 9 * 60 + 9.3) - 543.949) 5.351 seconds
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: GIGABYTE B450 AORUS PRO WIFI-CF
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X @ 4.0 ghz
GPU: MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X Trio
System Memory: Corsairw DDR4-3200 8gb x2 gskill DDR4-3200 8gb x2
OS Drive: Samsung 960 EVO 250gb
Asset Drive: Seagate 2TB 7200 rpm
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 ENT LTSC 1809
Nvidia Drivers Version: Unknown(nvidia control panel keeps crashing when I try to open at the moment)
Daz Studio Version: 4.14 BETA x64
Benchmark Results
DAZ_STATS
2020-12-07 07:44:12.308 Finished Rendering
2020-12-07 07:44:12.339 Total Rendering Time: 4 minutes 15.68 seconds
IRAY_STATS
1.0 IRAY rend info : Device statistics:
1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 0 (GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER): 1800 iterations, 2.719s init, 250.869s render
Iteration Rate: 7.2 iterations per second
Loading Time: 5 seconds
A new test with version 4.14.1.22.
A slight gain of 3 seconds compared to 4.14.0.10 (test performed 3 times).
I don't activate the CPU anymore, which impacts the rendering time negatively.
RTX 3060 ti :
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: MSI X470 Gaming Plus MAX
CPU: ADM Ryzen 5 @ 4200 Mhz
GPU: NVIDIA RTX 3060 TI (pny rtx 3060 ti xlr8 revel epic x rgb 8gb) @ 1665 MHZ
System Memory: CORSAIR Prédator 32 GO @ 3200 MHZ
OS Drive: OCZ Vertex 4 128 GO
Asset Drive: SAMSUNG SSD 860 EVO 1TB
Operating System: W10 Pro Build 20270.fe_release.201124-1440
Nvidia Drivers Version: 460.79 GRD (NO studio for now)
Daz Studio Version: 4.14.1.22
Benchmark Results
DAZ_STATS
2020-12-10 00:38:36.065 Finished Rendering
2020-12-10 00:38:36.091 Total Rendering Time: 2 minutes 50.26 seconds
IRAY_STATS
2020-12-10 00:38:39.805 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : Device statistics:
2020-12-10 00:38:39.805 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 0 (GeForce RTX 3060 Ti): 1800 iterations, 6.287s init, 161.725s render
Iteration Rate: (1800 / 161.725) 11.13 per second
Loading Time: ((0*3600+2*60+50.26) - 161.725) 8.53 seconds
A new test with version 4.14.1.22 and RTX 2060.
A passage under 6 minutes
RTX 2060 :
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: MSI X470 Gaming Plus MAX
CPU: ADM Ryzen 5 @ 4200 Mhz
GPU: NVIDIA RTX 2060 (pny XLR8 Gaming OC) @ 1830 MHZ
System Memory: CORSAIR Prédator 32 GO @ 3200 MHZ
OS Drive: OCZ Vertex 4 128 GO
Asset Drive: SAMSUNG SSD 860 EVO 1TB
Operating System: W10 Pro Build 20270.fe_release.201124-1440
Nvidia Drivers Version: 460.79 GRD (NO studio for now)
Daz Studio Version: 4.14.1.22
Benchmark Results
DAZ_STATS
2020-12-10 19:38:40.765 Finished Rendering
2020-12-10 19:38:40.802 Total Rendering Time: 5 minutes 34.75 seconds
IRAY_STATS
2020-12-10 19:38:43.818 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : Device statistics:
2020-12-10 19:38:43.818 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 1 (GeForce RTX 2060): 1800 iterations, 2.950s init, 329.065s render
Iteration Rate: (1800 / 329.065) 5.47 per second
Loading Time: ((0*3600+5*60+34.75) - 329.065) 5.68 seconds
2x 3090 repeated with 4.14
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: Gigabyte Aorus Extreme TRX 40
CPU: Threadripper 3960X in Precision Boost Overdrive mode
GPU: Inno3d iChill x3 3090 (stock settings and cooler) + Colorful iGame OC Advanced 3090 (stock setting and cooler)
System Memory: 48Gb various G.Skill modules at 3200 XMP (2x 16Gb and 2x 8Gb in quad channel)
OS Drive: Samsung 960 Pro NVMe SSD 1Tb
Asset Drive: Same
Operating System: Windows 10 64bit
Nvidia Drivers Version: Game Ready Driver v 460.79 **NEW**
Daz Studio Version: 4.14.0.10 (64-bit) **NEW**
Optix Prime Acceleration: Nope
Benchmark Results - 2x 3090
2020-12-12 16:42:40.610 Finished Rendering
2020-12-12 16:42:40.655 Total Rendering Time: 53.48 seconds
2020-12-12 16:42:47.784 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : Device statistics:
2020-12-12 16:42:47.784 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 0 (GeForce RTX 3090): 893 iterations, 1.748s init, 48.861s render
2020-12-12 16:42:47.784 Iray [INFO] - IRAY:RENDER :: 1.0 IRAY rend info : CUDA device 1 (GeForce RTX 3090): 907 iterations, 1.682s init, 48.290s render
Iteration Rate: 36.84 iterations per second
Loading Time: 4.619 seconds
That's a huge improvement from 27.81 iterations per second in 4.12. Also, now sub-1 minute with 2 cards.
System Configuration
System/Motherboard: ASUS STRIX Z490-E Gaming
CPU: Intel Core i9 10900KF (3.7GHz)
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (Asus TUF Gaming 10GB OC)
System Memory:32GB DDR4-3600 RAM Gskill Ripjaws 2x16
OS Drive: Seagate BarraCuda
Asset Drive: Same
Operating System: Win 10 Home
Nvidia Drivers Version: 460.79
Daz Studio Version: 4.14.0.10 Public Build
Optix Prime Acceleration: none
Benchmark Results
CPU+GPU
DAZ_STATS Total Rendering Time: 1 minutes 56.53 seconds
IRAY_STATS CUDA device 0 (GeForce RTX 3080): 1712 iterations, 1.497s init, 112.459s render | CPU: 88 iterations, 1.249s init, 113.090s render
GPU only
Iteration rate: 15.72 iterations per secDAZ_STATS Total Rendering Time: 1 minutes 57.44 seconds
IRAY_STATS CUDA device 0 (GeForce RTX 3080): 1800 iterations, 1.332s init, 114.543s render
Loading time: 2.9 sec
I've made this Google Sheet for me, and it's public.
It has all entries for this monstrous 4.14 update, and it quickly compares the iteration rate for all the GPUs.
Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wkuVTjE9LDrq_YHstg_iJy6HUO5eQTNlXGMB25mfk44/
I'm attaching the charts comparing the various GPUs.
I know it's not 100% precise (you can't see if the GPU was overclocked, some entries are extrapolated from multi-GPU setup where the total result differs from the sum of the single ones, you don't know in what system the GPU was etc.), but I needed a quick a clear comparison to compare the GPU prices and all.