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Is there a way to add bones within DS4.6?

WillowRavenWillowRaven Posts: 3,787
edited December 1969 in The Commons

I am really getting frustrated with the bridle reins. There are only two bones making the reigns near impossible to pose in a natural manner. Of course, that's after I spend hours just trying to get the bridle to actual fit DH2's head in pose.

Is there a way I can add new bones to my reins within Daz? I think deformers would be really aggravating, but may be my only option, if not.

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  • DZ_jaredDZ_jared Posts: 1,316
    edited December 1969

    You can add bones using the joint editor tool.

  • WillowRavenWillowRaven Posts: 3,787
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_jared said:
    You can add bones using the joint editor tool.

    Awesome! Is there a tutorial somewhere telling those of us that are not real familiar with all of the fancy tools, just the normal load/render stuff?

  • DZ_jaredDZ_jared Posts: 1,316
    edited December 1969

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/userguide/creating_content/rigging/tutorials/adding_bones_for_rigging/start

    You may want to check out the whole rigging section:
    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/userguide/creating_content/rigging/start

  • WillowRavenWillowRaven Posts: 3,787
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_jared said:
    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/userguide/creating_content/rigging/tutorials/adding_bones_for_rigging/start

    You may want to check out the whole rigging section:
    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/userguide/creating_content/rigging/start

    Thanks so much :D

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    I know this won't work for you...because you aren't a modeller...but I would export the horse/rider as an obj, after everything is posed, then export the reins, in rough position. Then import them into Blender and run a cloth simulation on them....then import the posed reins back into DS. It could be done using Casual's scripts...but it really isn't any easier than deformers.

    Just creating bones isn't the answer...you need to group the geometry and 'attach' it to the bones, too...then you need to mess with the weight maps to get them to work together smoothly...basically, just like any other manual rigging job.

    I'd be half tempted to find an 'easy pose' rope and pose it in place of the actual reins, hiding them, by turning them invisible.

    BionicRooster has on in the Rendo free stuff. Ajax has a skipping rope there, too.

  • WillowRavenWillowRaven Posts: 3,787
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    I know this won't work for you...because you aren't a modeller...but I would export the horse/rider as an obj, after everything is posed, then export the reins, in rough position. Then import them into Blender and run a cloth simulation on them....then import the posed reins back into DS. It could be done using Casual's scripts...but it really isn't any easier than deformers.

    Just creating bones isn't the answer...you need to group the geometry and 'attach' it to the bones, too...then you need to mess with the weight maps to get them to work together smoothly...basically, just like any other manual rigging job.

    I'd be half tempted to find an 'easy pose' rope and pose it in place of the actual reins, hiding them, by turning them invisible.

    BionicRooster has on in the Rendo free stuff. Ajax has a skipping rope there, too.

    Actually, you are probably right. I wish Optitec had a rope. I'd use that. This is just ticking me off, lol.

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    AidanaWillowRaven said:
    mjc1016 said:
    I know this won't work for you...because you aren't a modeller...but I would export the horse/rider as an obj, after everything is posed, then export the reins, in rough position. Then import them into Blender and run a cloth simulation on them....then import the posed reins back into DS. It could be done using Casual's scripts...but it really isn't any easier than deformers.

    Just creating bones isn't the answer...you need to group the geometry and 'attach' it to the bones, too...then you need to mess with the weight maps to get them to work together smoothly...basically, just like any other manual rigging job.

    I'd be half tempted to find an 'easy pose' rope and pose it in place of the actual reins, hiding them, by turning them invisible.

    BionicRooster has on in the Rendo free stuff. Ajax has a skipping rope there, too.

    Actually, you are probably right. I wish Optitec had a rope. I'd use that. This is just ticking me off, lol.

    Yeah, I just ran through the entire catalog of dynamic stuff...the closest is probably the sash from some of medieval stuff.

  • WillowRavenWillowRaven Posts: 3,787
    edited December 1969

    BR has two easy pose ropes in his gallery at SCG. The thumbs look the same. Which one is the right one? Are they different?

  • WillowRavenWillowRaven Posts: 3,787
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    AidanaWillowRaven said:
    mjc1016 said:
    I know this won't work for you...because you aren't a modeller...but I would export the horse/rider as an obj, after everything is posed, then export the reins, in rough position. Then import them into Blender and run a cloth simulation on them....then import the posed reins back into DS. It could be done using Casual's scripts...but it really isn't any easier than deformers.

    Just creating bones isn't the answer...you need to group the geometry and 'attach' it to the bones, too...then you need to mess with the weight maps to get them to work together smoothly...basically, just like any other manual rigging job.

    I'd be half tempted to find an 'easy pose' rope and pose it in place of the actual reins, hiding them, by turning them invisible.

    BionicRooster has on in the Rendo free stuff. Ajax has a skipping rope there, too.

    Actually, you are probably right. I wish Optitec had a rope. I'd use that. This is just ticking me off, lol.

    Yeah, I just ran through the entire catalog of dynamic stuff...the closest is probably the sash from some of medieval stuff.

    See ... I'm so frustrated I can't spell ... OPTITEX

    There is a handbag he has that may look right if the purse section can blind out, but I doubt it's long enough.

  • JGreenleesJGreenlees Posts: 2,249
    edited December 1969

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cV3VaC7eIs is a good tutorial on adding bones. :)

  • BejaymacBejaymac Posts: 1,889
    edited December 1969

    mjc1016 said:
    you need to group the geometry and 'attach' it to the bones, too

    TriAx rigging doesn't need the mesh to be grouped, so that's one big step out of the way.
  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited December 1969

    Bejaymac said:
    mjc1016 said:
    you need to group the geometry and 'attach' it to the bones, too

    TriAx rigging doesn't need the mesh to be grouped, so that's one big step out of the way.

    That is, if the reigns are weight-mapped and not 'traditional' rigging...

  • WillowRavenWillowRaven Posts: 3,787
    edited December 1969

    As I feared, all o this is way to complicated for me to learn or one little book cover, right now. Will have to learn it another day and go with an alternative.

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