DAZ Studio Pro 4.6.2.118, DIM questions

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  • MBuschMBusch Posts: 547
    edited February 2014

    Again this is not application data.

    You can request whatever you like, that does not mean your request will be granted.

    I not create those files, I have no control over them, I cannot edit them. The application generated those files not by my request.This is semantics, but you win. It is not application data. It is user data, but does not change the fact that Shared folder and Public folder are inappropriate locations for them.

    Anyway, thanks for your attention.

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  • MBuschMBusch Posts: 547
    edited December 1969

    Help Center is not working to submit request, so I will make it public.

    I would like to ask for a change to the location where Install Manager folder is located. Currently the folder is stored at \\Users\Public\Public Documents\DAZ 3D in Windows and at /Users/Library/Shared on OS X. As a lot of users have concerns about this location and as in fact the files hosted by Install Manager folder are not for direct user interaction, I would like to suggest that the Install Manager folder could be moved to \\Disk\ProgramData\DAZ 3D in Windows and /Library/Application Support/DAZ 3D

    Thanks in advance.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    MBusch said:

    Again this is not application data.

    You can request whatever you like, that does not mean your request will be granted.

    I not create those files, I have no control over them, I cannot edit them. The application generated those files not by my request.This is semantics, but you win. It is not application data. It is user data, but does not change the fact that Shared folder and Public folder are inappropriate locations for them.

    Anyway, thanks for your attention.http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/install_manager/referenceguide/interface/filter_field/advanced_filtering

  • JonnyRayJonnyRay Posts: 1,744
    edited December 1969

    This is the sort of conversation where I feel sorry for the application developers.

    I can remember the EXACT counter arugument going on in these forums years ago. Two people in the same family had separate user profiles on the computer, but they only wanted to have one copy of the content. Since content was installed by default at that time in the My Documents folder, it was a pain for people trying to share content since you had to grant rights to the other person to your folders.

    Before that, the default location was to install it in the c:\Program Files\ folder tree. Which caused major problems once Microsoft (correctly) tightened security on that folder structure.

    No default location is ever going to make everyone happy.

    As for me, I put the things in the Public Documents folder because that's where they want to be. :) Then I redirected that folder over to my D drive for performance reasons to get it away from my system. Only struggle I had was that since I only moved the Public Documents folder, there appears to be some code which is tied to the Public user profile path. So I had to recreate a "Documents" folder under c:\user\public so that that code (can't recall if it was DIM or CMS) had somewhere to put their log files. If someone is thinking of moving the Public profile, I suggest moving the entire profile, not just the documents folder.

    I have no fear of the Public Documents folder security since I turned off the sharing of that folder on my network anyway. And I feel so much better now that I wear my tinfoil helmet whenever I touch my PC anyway. ;)

  • MBuschMBusch Posts: 547
    edited February 2014

    JonnyRay said:
    This is the sort of conversation where I feel sorry for the application developers.

    I can remember the EXACT counter arugument going on in these forums years ago. Two people in the same family had separate user profiles on the computer, but they only wanted to have one copy of the content. Since content was installed by default at that time in the My Documents folder, it was a pain for people trying to share content since you had to grant rights to the other person to your folders.

    Before that, the default location was to install it in the c:\Program Files\ folder tree. Which caused major problems once Microsoft (correctly) tightened security on that folder structure.

    No default location is ever going to make everyone happy.

    As for me, I put the things in the Public Documents folder because that's where they want to be. :) Then I redirected that folder over to my D drive for performance reasons to get it away from my system. Only struggle I had was that since I only moved the Public Documents folder, there appears to be some code which is tied to the Public user profile path. So I had to recreate a "Documents" folder under c:\user\public so that that code (can't recall if it was DIM or CMS) had somewhere to put their log files. If someone is thinking of moving the Public profile, I suggest moving the entire profile, not just the documents folder.

    I have no fear of the Public Documents folder security since I turned off the sharing of that folder on my network anyway. And I feel so much better now that I wear my tinfoil helmet whenever I touch my PC anyway. ;)

    My concerns are not about security and neither about share content. My content folder was installed and stored in the Shared folder on OS X (the counterpart to Public folder on Windows) before DIM arrived.

    The Install Manager folder just holds files that are not user document files, in the sense that the user not save or open them. They are just user data or settings, same as DS custom layouts. There are no sense to store it at the current location. In fact, It is ridiculous to stand that it needs to be shared where it is currently, but I give up.

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    If a situation were to arise where all DS users HAD to use the DIM and only that, without exception, then I'm certain that a lot of your points would absolutely have to be looked at. As things stand now, if you don't like the DIM, you don't have to use it, DS will still work without it. If DS5 were to integrate the DIM as part of its make-up, then we'd really have to make some decisions.

    It doesn't seem, for now at least, that this is likely to happen. Whatever, I guess we have things to think about IF it does....

    CHEERS!

  • MBuschMBusch Posts: 547
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    If a situation were to arise where all DS users HAD to use the DIM and only that, without exception, then I'm certain that a lot of your points would absolutely have to be looked at. As things stand now, if you don't like the DIM, you don't have to use it, DS will still work without it. If DS5 were to integrate the DIM as part of its make-up, then we'd really have to make some decisions.

    It doesn't seem, for now at least, that this is likely to happen. Whatever, I guess we have things to think about IF it does....

    CHEERS!

    I never said that I don't like DIM. I like it so much. I use it all the time and will keep using it in the future. It's a nice tool and works very well. Everyone has your choices, mine is use this tool. No doubts about this. Anyway, It's insane stand that Install Manager folder should be where is it, but I can live with this. I just don't agree with the reasoning behind this decision.

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    I was speaking more in general terms after reading the whole thread. It's possible that problems arise when people suddenly start using the DIM when they haven't before and things don't get put where they might have previously. I haven't used it from day one and have had no issues, so, I'm unlikely to start using something that might cause them.

    CHEERS!

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:

    If a situation were to arise where all DS users HAD to use the DIM and only that, without exception, then I'm certain that a lot of your points would absolutely have to be looked at. As things stand now, if you don't like the DIM, you don't have to use it, DS will still work without it. If DS5 were to integrate the DIM as part of its make-up, then we'd really have to make some decisions.

    It doesn't seem, for now at least, that this is likely to happen. Whatever, I guess we have things to think about IF it does....

    CHEERS!

    Without DIM you have to rely on nice people to tell you things got updated - DAZ doesn't tell you that anymore ...

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    And!? There are threads on here that do that. Most of the products I've bought in recent times have had forum threads attached to them, in which we report issues and the artists update them. It's not like there is a complete lack of information, you just have to know where to find it, which is why these forums have a search function.

    CHEERS!

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited February 2014

    I personally have used DIM from the word go. The only thing I will not DIM is a program. If I install a Program I want the Exe file to RUN as priority and create the proper OS files on my system, that can not be guaranteed when a exe is installed as a SUB process such as running under DIM. To me DIM is great for Content and Plugins but that is ALL I will ever let DIM handle. DIM does LINK well for items such as that. But To me a exe demands hand installs. So far I've been very happy doing things my way.

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited December 1969

    That's fine,

    If it works for you, who are we to stop you!? However, if anyone is having problems, there is another option to try.

    CHEERS!

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