Veins HD for G2M
Silas3D
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Hi all
While I acknowledge this is a great product, I can see from the promos that there are several areas that are symmetrical. As someone that renders exclusively in Lux and strive realism, this would prevent me from purchasing it. No disrespect to SimonWM, its just that nobody has symmetrical vascularity and it detracts from what would otherwise be very realistic. Just my tuppence!
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I will take this comment into consideration for future vein products. But there is some vein symmetry between both sides of a human body in real life. DAZ 3D models have symmetry in their bodies too. The symmetry is not all around and to me and DAZ it wasn't as evident to even mention it in QA. Unless you are rendering a full front or back symmetrical pose like I saw required to show the entire maps in two of my promos you won't see it in your renders. The veins will hardly ever display in its entirely, they depend on your lights as they are geometry and you will mostly have the character posed with its limbs at different angles which will show even less symmetry. Even a fairly symmetrical pose like the one shown in my promo below with a camera angle won't show a result that will detract from realism.
Appreciate the standpoint on this Simon, perhaps I'm just being too fussy - I still worry about things like pokethrough even when its not visible to the camera, too much of a perfectionist :S
One of the best vascularity products released so far in my opinion. I'm very vascular and looks just fine to me!
Thank you RAMWolff.
Your welcome Simon. I've watched you grow as a creator and merchant and you just get better and better!
Really appreciated, I take this seriously as I love 3D and animation and mostly put out products that I would like to have for my own renderings so quality has to be up there. Your comment means a lot as I know you have a good eye for this and what a better judge of vascularity as a person who is vascular by nature himself.
But of course Monsieur ! :-)
:lol:
I have been waiting for something like this for a while now. Thanks a bunch!
Glad you like it! The best thing is morphs are not UV dependent so they work with any character UVs although they will look better with color maps to give a bluish tint to the vein which these ones includes for both Michael 6 UVs and Teen Jayden which are the Genesis 2 Basic Male UVs.
I assume that these morphs would still be useful to a Poser user even though we can't use the overlays?
Yes, morphs work fine in Poser through DSON. Just remember since these are HD Morphs you gotta uncheck the limits in Mesh resolution and set it to 3:
>>To Use the High Definition Morphs in Poser with the DSON Importer for Poser, it is necessary to manually turn off limits on the "Mesh Resolution>SubDivision Level" parameter of Genesis 2 Male (located in the Body) and turn it to 3 (three).>>
I love the HD morphs of this product but am finding the blue veins much too obvious they give a lot more than a bluish tint, I wish you could tone them down somehow.
Maybe try messing with the opacity in LIE? I haven't got to use the product yet been busy :(
Remember that loading the color for the veins is optional. But yes, like Sorel said, its very easy to lower the intensity of the vein tint by lowering the opacity of the layer. Here's how to do it, the example is on a tattoo but is the same procedure:
Thanks that helps - although it reminded me why I don't use LIE its so sluggishly slow on my machine.
I haven't bought any HD Veins products but I have Zevo's and being LIE you get the vein colouration do we get that with this product Simon?
forget that I should have put my glasses on when looking at the promos...cool.
LOL, yes you do get the vein colouration. This one uses a combination of both LIE and HD Morphs.
You get the vein colour but they only work on M6 or Base Genesis/Jayden UVs which unfortunately limits them for me at the moment unless more M6 textures come out, most of what I have is M5 or M4.
Thanks Simon (nice I like LIE for more control) and scorpio64dragon.
Although not HD Morphs but bump maps with color I thought I had covered Michael 5 with "Add some Veins"(along with V5 & 6). The HD Morphs will work by itself with any texture UVs though. A complimentary LIE product for M4 & 5 textures could be created in the near future if enough demand as well as Genesis 1 HD Veins. I'm just testing the waters.
Thank you, and yes, I know. I've used HD morphs before.
Hi
I have a problem with this product, which is that morphs don't work as they are supposed to. When I click "Veins Full body 0/50/100%" or manually dial the vein HD morphs in parameters something does happen, (it changes the structure of the model a bit, but veins don't show - apart from the large one in the inner arm), but nowhere near the effect seen in the promos. I tried increasing the subdiv level and smoothing type, but it doesn't seem to help. Is there something I'm missing?
My DAZ Studio is up to date and I tried rendering in both 3Delight and Octane.
Thanks!
Is this the first HD product you install? Did you use DIM to install it? If the morphs are installed correctly which it seems like they are cause you are able to see the dials this shouldn't be happening? What's your OS? Do you have other HD vein products like Sickleyield freebee that you might be getting confused over and dialing those instead?
Thanks for your reply!
I've made sure I used the right morph dials (I also tried applying the morphs through Content Library presets). I didn't use DIM to install, because I manage my library manually (I don't trust the DAZ content manager since loosing my metadata twice in the past and prefer to keep my own library folder structure), but it's never been a problem with other content (don't worry, I know what I'm doing and which folders can be moved and which can't). I'll try to make a fresh DAZ install on another computer and install the product using DIM and see if it works.
Check out my youtube video linked below to see if you can see the same morphs being applied when you click on "currently used" in your Parameters tab. As you see the veins are visible when rendering and in the viewport too when you increase the subdivision to 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6FCKrBHu5Q
Everything looks ok (just the way it is in the video) apart from, obviously, the effect the morph has on the figure. Anyway, on a fresh DAZ install it works just fine, so there must be something wrong with my current Studio install (or library) and I have to figure out what's causing the problem myself.
Thanks for helping out, I really appreciate it!
ok, fixed it!
For anyone who might be having the same problem in the future: clear the DAZ dson cache.
Go to c:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\DAZ 3D\dson\cache and delete all files inside it (deleting only the Genesis 2 folder might work as well, but I deleted all just to be on the safe side)
Glad to see you've got it sorted out.