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  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    Taozen said:
    Well, I'll probably stop developing this thing further now that DAZ has added this feature to the product library.

    Maybe that's the way to make them add new features to the store - writing third party utilities that do the job... :)

    Wait, where is this in the product library? Here on the site? I must be going blind....

    Type
    DIM::false
    in the filter box.
    Which filter box? In the Product Library page here on the website? In DS? In DIM? (the first two don't seem to do anything interesting....)

    Yes, the Product Library page, type it in and click the "Filter" button.

  • zigraphixzigraphix Posts: 2,787
    edited December 1969

    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    Taozen said:
    Well, I'll probably stop developing this thing further now that DAZ has added this feature to the product library.

    Maybe that's the way to make them add new features to the store - writing third party utilities that do the job... :)

    Wait, where is this in the product library? Here on the site? I must be going blind....

    Type
    DIM::false
    in the filter box.


    Which filter box? In the Product Library page here on the website? In DS? In DIM? (the first two don't seem to do anything interesting....)

    Yes, the Product Library page, type it in and click the "Filter" button.
    Well, I suppose it's possible I actually don't have any DAZ content left that isn't in DIM.... Or I'm just not awake enough to know what I'm doing.

    Thanks anyway!

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    Taozen said:
    Well, I'll probably stop developing this thing further now that DAZ has added this feature to the product library.

    Maybe that's the way to make them add new features to the store - writing third party utilities that do the job... :)

    Wait, where is this in the product library? Here on the site? I must be going blind....

    Type
    DIM::false
    in the filter box.


    Which filter box? In the Product Library page here on the website? In DS? In DIM? (the first two don't seem to do anything interesting....)

    Yes, the Product Library page, type it in and click the "Filter" button.
    Well, I suppose it's possible I actually don't have any DAZ content left that isn't in DIM.... Or I'm just not awake enough to know what I'm doing.

    Thanks anyway!

    My mistake, it should be lower case
    dim::false

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,259
    edited December 1969

    Thanks for the information about the filter. I would like to try it tomorrow when I am on my computer and more awake.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940
    edited December 1969

    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    Are you talking about creating metadata, or being able to install non-DAZ products with DIM? Two different things.

    Both, and I know they're two different things. :)

    I doubt that it is possible to create .dsx (DIM data) files for other products as they seem to contain some "proprietary" data. I can't see how it can be done, at least.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    Taozen said:
    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    Are you talking about creating metadata, or being able to install non-DAZ products with DIM? Two different things.

    Both, and I know they're two different things. :)

    I doubt that it is possible to create .dsx (DIM data) files for other products as they seem to contain some "proprietary" data. I can't see how it can be done, at least.

    Not really, I think the GUID is just a checksum, and isn't really relevant. You just need the manifest.dsx

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940
    edited December 1969

    zigraphix said:
    Taozen said:
    zigraphix said:
    I'd happily pay for a version that would look at my old install folder and find products that have subsequently been installed in DIM in my new install folder and help me get rid of duplicates...

    Not sure precisely what you mean here?


    I don't know if I'll be any more coherent tonight, but I'm waiting while the CMS rebuilds (again) so here goes...

    I had all my content downloaded and installed. Then DIM came out. I set DIM up and re-downloaded a lot of content to a new content folder. At that point I had a lot of content installed twice, so things would show up twice in the Smart Content folder, and I got a lot of "duplicate ID" errors. I tried some utilities to get rid of duplicate files between the two content directories, and realized this was a bad idea when I ended up deleting thumbnails for the DS versions of materials, for example, because they had the same name and file size as the Poser versions. Yuck. I stopped doing that in time to avoid completely mangling my old content directory, but now I still have some things installed twice, and some broken installs. In short, I need to reinstall a lot of stuff, and the installers are all mixed together on my backup drive-- I want to find just the installers that aren't in DIM, but that's easier said than done.

    So at this point I have:

    - a DIM content directory
    - a non-DAZ content directory (this was pretty easy, I was able to filter by just zips)
    - a bunch of DAZ installers I'm not sure whether or not to install again, because I don't know if they're in DIM or not (including some old freebies from the now-gone archive)

    So if I could just download the non-DIM installers, or restore an older content library that contains some content now in DIM and then weed out the stuff that's now in DIM (I didn't move files, so they should still be in their default locations), that would be very helpful.

    OMG, the CMS finally finished rebuilding, and doesn't seem to have crashed. O frabjous day, calloo callay.

    I don't know if what I typed made any sense, but I'm too tired tonight to try to figure it out further. If it's all gibberish, just say so and I'll try to explain it again tomorrow. Maybe there's nothing anyone can do about it anyway....

    Sounds difficult to fix. Generally, the more complex things are, the more difficult it is to make automated (and not least, reliable) solutions, unless things are following some very strict standards - which the 3D content world doesn't, to put it mildly.

    In a case like this I'd delete all installed content and start all over, reinstalling everything from scratch instead. That's often faster and simpler. As long as you have your install files you can't lose anything. And when all DAZ content has been converted to DIM, you can safely delete all the old DAZ installers.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940
    edited December 1969

    fixmypcmike said:
    Taozen said:
    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    Are you talking about creating metadata, or being able to install non-DAZ products with DIM? Two different things.

    Both, and I know they're two different things. :)

    I doubt that it is possible to create .dsx (DIM data) files for other products as they seem to contain some "proprietary" data. I can't see how it can be done, at least.

    Not really, I think the GUID is just a checksum, and isn't really relevant. You just need the manifest.dsx

    OK. AFAIK there's no SDK for DIM so I guess you'll have to experiment to figure out how it works.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940
    edited December 1969

    fixmypcmike said:
    Taozen said:
    zigraphix said:
    Taozen said:

    I've never really gotten into exploring that metadata thing. Any info about it anywhere?

    I think BTW I saw D3D talk in some thread about perhaps making such a utility, but I'm not sure.

    I don't think there's any official documentation, but it's XML, it's pretty easy to read. I don't know if D3D is working on it.

    But it could combine with the other store utilities to make a "DIM for non-DAZ Products," effectively....

    Where are these XML/metadata files located?

    The CMS metadata is in Runtime:Support:*.dsx
    The DIM manifests are inside the product zip file named manifest.dsx

    OK, have taken a look at the .dsx XML files there. Generating files like these is fairly simple as such, it's more a question of where you get the data from and how they're supposed to be structured and organized.

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,259
    edited December 1969

    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    Taozen said:
    Well, I'll probably stop developing this thing further now that DAZ has added this feature to the product library.

    Maybe that's the way to make them add new features to the store - writing third party utilities that do the job... :)

    Wait, where is this in the product library? Here on the site? I must be going blind....

    Type
    DIM::false
    in the filter box.


    Which filter box? In the Product Library page here on the website? In DS? In DIM? (the first two don't seem to do anything interesting....)

    Yes, the Product Library page, type it in and click the "Filter" button.
    Well, I suppose it's possible I actually don't have any DAZ content left that isn't in DIM.... Or I'm just not awake enough to know what I'm doing.

    Thanks anyway!

    My mistake, it should be lower case
    dim::false

    Other than this thread, where can I find the info about the dim::false I tried to remember it but I thought it was dim=false

  • zigraphixzigraphix Posts: 2,787
    edited December 1969

    Taozen said:

    Sounds difficult to fix. Generally, the more complex things are, the more difficult it is to make automated (and not least, reliable) solutions, unless things are following some very strict standards - which the 3D content world doesn't, to put it mildly.

    In a case like this I'd delete all installed content and start all over, reinstalling everything from scratch instead. That's often faster and simpler. As long as you have your install files you can't lose anything. And when all DAZ content has been converted to DIM, you can safely delete all the old DAZ installers.

    Yeah... I'm having some trouble finding some of my installers. In particular, I'm having trouble finding some of the freebies, and I had some things installed into the same Content directory as my DAZ commercial content.... :(

  • zigraphixzigraphix Posts: 2,787
    edited March 2014

    fixmypcmike said:

    My mistake, it should be lower case
    dim::false

    Ah. That's got it. Three pages of content now.

    Edited to add: Which means it would be extremely helpful to be able to use the utility in the first post of this thread, to batch download those installers, but I get an error when I try to launch it, saying it's expired. Is there a working version?

    Post edited by zigraphix on
  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940
    edited December 1969

    zigraphix said:
    Taozen said:

    Sounds difficult to fix. Generally, the more complex things are, the more difficult it is to make automated (and not least, reliable) solutions, unless things are following some very strict standards - which the 3D content world doesn't, to put it mildly.

    In a case like this I'd delete all installed content and start all over, reinstalling everything from scratch instead. That's often faster and simpler. As long as you have your install files you can't lose anything. And when all DAZ content has been converted to DIM, you can safely delete all the old DAZ installers.

    Yeah... I'm having some trouble finding some of my installers. In particular, I'm having trouble finding some of the freebies, and I had some things installed into the same Content directory as my DAZ commercial content.... :(

    I don't know if there is a way to tell whether something is a freebie or not. Creating a total list of the filenames of the files in the Product Library and comparing them with the filenames of the old installers you might be able to weed out most of the commercial products. I think there is a list of freebies as well somewhere in the forum that might give you a clue.

    Personally I always put freebies in a folder for themselves, to avoid that problem.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940
    edited December 1969

    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:

    My mistake, it should be lower case
    dim::false

    Ah. That's got it. Three pages of content now.

    Edited to add: Which means it would be extremely helpful to be able to use the utility in the first post of this thread, to batch download those installers, but I get an error when I try to launch it, saying it's expired. Is there a working version?

    There is an update here that first will expire at the end of the month:

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/37857/P15/#558704

    However, it doesn't have any download capabilities, it will only show the the order pages with the download links. Besides, the list doesn't include items from bundles as these are generally not listed on the order pages, only the bundles are. And there are some quirks with bundles in general, both in this program and in the Product Library. See DAZ_Jon's comment on this and my reply:

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/37857/P15/#558704

    I'll suggest using the Product Library and the DIM::false/true feature as it is better and finds more items than my program does.

  • zigraphixzigraphix Posts: 2,787
    edited December 1969

    Taozen said:
    zigraphix said:
    Taozen said:

    Sounds difficult to fix. Generally, the more complex things are, the more difficult it is to make automated (and not least, reliable) solutions, unless things are following some very strict standards - which the 3D content world doesn't, to put it mildly.

    In a case like this I'd delete all installed content and start all over, reinstalling everything from scratch instead. That's often faster and simpler. As long as you have your install files you can't lose anything. And when all DAZ content has been converted to DIM, you can safely delete all the old DAZ installers.

    Yeah... I'm having some trouble finding some of my installers. In particular, I'm having trouble finding some of the freebies, and I had some things installed into the same Content directory as my DAZ commercial content.... :(

    I don't know if there is a way to tell whether something is a freebie or not. Creating a total list of the filenames of the files in the Product Library and comparing them with the filenames of the old installers you might be able to weed out most of the commercial products. I think there is a list of freebies as well somewhere in the forum that might give you a clue.

    Personally I always put freebies in a folder for themselves, to avoid that problem.

    I do install freebies separately now, but I'm rummaging through my old backups to try to find some of them, and not always succeeding. :(

    But I didn't mean DAZ freebies, mostly. I just meant this is why I'm not quite ready to discard my old Content directory, even though it contains some content now also installed by DIM. That's why it would be useful to have a way to tell DIM "when you install this content in your DIM-managed folder, please also check this other folder and remove files from the same relative paths within it."

    Oh well, I'll manage. ;)

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    zigraphix said:
    That's why it would be useful to have a way to tell DIM "when you install this content in your DIM-managed folder, please also check this other folder and remove files from the same relative paths within it."

    Oh well, I'll manage. ;)

    http://www.daz3d.com/content-folder-twins

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 9,940
    edited December 1969

    The Account Manager has now been updated to show if products are DIM Ready, based on the same data as in the Product Library:

    http://taosoft.dk/software/accm-daz/

  • zigraphixzigraphix Posts: 2,787
    edited December 1969

    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    That's why it would be useful to have a way to tell DIM "when you install this content in your DIM-managed folder, please also check this other folder and remove files from the same relative paths within it."

    Oh well, I'll manage. ;)

    http://www.daz3d.com/content-folder-twins

    I have this, in fact. I need to experiment with it to see if I can get it to do what I need.

    Taozen, I know you discontinued the Daz version of your download utility, but maybe it would be worthwhile to bring it back for non-DIM products....

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,259
    edited December 1969

    zigraphix said:
    fixmypcmike said:
    zigraphix said:
    That's why it would be useful to have a way to tell DIM "when you install this content in your DIM-managed folder, please also check this other folder and remove files from the same relative paths within it."

    Oh well, I'll manage. ;)

    http://www.daz3d.com/content-folder-twins

    I have this, in fact. I need to experiment with it to see if I can get it to do what I need.

    Taozen, I know you discontinued the Daz version of your download utility, but maybe it would be worthwhile to bring it back for non-DIM products....

    I like that idea. Very useful indeed.

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