NPM (Natural Petite Breast Morphs) for Victoria 6 only V6 ?

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  • nobody1954nobody1954 Posts: 933
    edited December 1969

    Excellent!! In my cart for purchase when I return from vacation.

  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631
    edited December 1969

    alert!
    just bought it and it does not work with pure G2F
    only holes in the body
    now what does the compatibility with G2F mean ?

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,455
    edited March 2014

    Sorry to hear it.
    As I have mentioned in my first post on the previous page, I have V6 already installed on my computer,
    as well as many of the other G2F characters.

    Post edited by Artini on
  • Muon QuarkMuon Quark Posts: 562
    edited March 2014

    ruphuss said:
    alert!
    just bought it and it does not work with pure G2F
    only holes in the body
    now what does the compatibility with G2F mean ?

    Thanks for letting us know Ruphuss,
    No sale for me. I'll just continue to use the morphs I have to adjust the breasts for G2F. This would have been a nice product for G2F instead of just one model.

    Post edited by Muon Quark on
  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631
    edited December 1969

    ruphuss said:
    alert!
    just bought it and it does not work with pure G2F
    only holes in the body
    now what does the compatibility with G2F mean ?

    Thanks for letting us know Ruphuss,
    No sale for me. I'll just continue to use the morphs I have to adjust the breasts for G2F. This would have been a nice product for G2F instead of just one model.

    I absolutely agree

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,778
    edited December 1969

    ruphuss said:
    ruphuss said:
    alert!
    just bought it and it does not work with pure G2F
    only holes in the body
    now what does the compatibility with G2F mean ?

    Thanks for letting us know Ruphuss,
    No sale for me. I'll just continue to use the morphs I have to adjust the breasts for G2F. This would have been a nice product for G2F instead of just one model.

    I absolutely agree

    Could you post an untextured screenshot of what you are getting? Does it happen at any values, or only at high values - G2F is less buxom than V6, so a morph that mor or less flattens the V6 breasts will inevitably create dents in the G2F chest at a setting of 1.

  • drinkingbuddydrinkingbuddy Posts: 350
    edited December 1969

    ruphuss said:
    alert!
    just bought it and it does not work with pure G2F
    only holes in the body
    now what does the compatibility with G2F mean ?

    Did you use the button presets (which are "full strength") or the shaping dials?

    Load a G2F and go to Shaping -> Chest -> Morph Kits -> NPM and select NPMV6_1 to 0.30. How does it look?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,039
    edited March 2014

    ...As Gen6 characters are no longer a "unimesh" like the Gen4 ones were, I can see now why when something is specified for a certain character (in this case V6) it works best with that character and "okay" for others.

    Still would like to see how it works with Josie.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • Rayman29Rayman29 Posts: 0
    edited March 2014

    I bought it for V6, so no problems. Most of the morphs work well up-to around 25% with G2F though.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,039
    edited December 1969

    ...yeah as I thought. The second and fourth look the same as when I just try to dial down breast size using the base morph sliders.

    May have to give this one a miss as I am not interested in having yet another fashion model figure I'd rarely use just to make this work. Steph4 was my "go to" character working with Gen4 as well as Genesis (with the Steph4 body shape and GenX). Steph6 is more to my liking as well than another Vicky as she has better overall proportions.

    Really wish this were made for the base G2F instead. as then it probably would work well with all the female characters not just one.

    Ah well, looks like GenerationX2/GenX for G2 will suit my needs better as I will be able to transfer the YT5 morphs and original NPMs to G2F.

  • XdyeXdye Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    How many complaints for an item that cleary says its for V6. It has it's purpose and can be very useful for people that uses V6, cos V6 breasts are "special" they are bigger and have more weight that the other shapes, is very common when you mix V6 with other shapes end with a nice figure but with a too large breasts or deformed, so this item can be very helpul and very needed.

  • Muon QuarkMuon Quark Posts: 562
    edited December 1969

    Xdye said:
    How many complaints for an item that cleary says its for V6. It has it's purpose and can be very useful for people that uses V6, cos V6 breasts are "special" they are bigger and have more weight that the other shapes, is very common when you mix V6 with other shapes end with a nice figure but with a too large breasts or deformed, so this item can be very helpul and very needed.

    Bigger than Girl 6? I've always thought the Girl had the larger breasts.

  • JabbaJabba Posts: 1,460
    edited December 1969

    should be fine if you use the sliders in small increments

  • Rayman29Rayman29 Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    And the set was only $7 ish. Well worth it, even if its just for the quick convenience of it.

    But breast morphs are easy to make, and Sculptris is easy to use, even for beginners.
    Try playing some Jazz and see what happens.

  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631
    edited December 1969

    Xdye said:
    How many complaints for an item that cleary says its for V6. It has it's purpose and can be very useful for people that uses V6, cos V6 breasts are "special" they are bigger and have more weight that the other shapes, is very common when you mix V6 with other shapes end with a nice figure but with a too large breasts or deformed, so this item can be very helpul and very needed.

    was just a question at first

    its not compatible with G2F like product promises

  • nobody1954nobody1954 Posts: 933
    edited March 2014

    If I read the post correctly, it does seem to work on G2F at partial settings, not at full settings. As stated, G2F has smaller breasts than V6. So this is understandable. I would call that compatible. Different settings for different figures. Still on my to buy list.

    Post edited by nobody1954 on
  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,089
    edited March 2014

    Because of the breast bone strutcure on G2F, morphs cannot be universal from one figure shape to the next. They will have to be refined for each one specifically or there will be distortions. So you will need another set of morphs for another shape. If the chest area is unchanged, then maybe the morphs can become useful to some degree. So, right now the only solution is to duplicate the set for each shape, which will probably push up the price and take much longer to develop. However these decisions are strictly up to the PA, whether to support one specific shape, or support a wider range. It is a bit unfair to expect this product to work on other shapes as it specifically says it is designed for V6.

    Post edited by Zev0 on
  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631
    edited December 1969

    Jabba101 said:
    should be fine if you use the sliders in small increments

    that's right

    I just tested the presets
    they don't work

    so I was wrong
    carefully using the sliders it is usefull

  • Zev0Zev0 Posts: 7,089
    edited December 1969

    Yes, small adjustments always help, but if used fully they will distort, if not made for that shape.

  • JabbaJabba Posts: 1,460
    edited December 1969

    Girl 6 is the most extreme shape, and NPM can really help to "deflate" her if wanted...

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  • XdyeXdye Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Xdye said:
    How many complaints for an item that cleary says its for V6. It has it's purpose and can be very useful for people that uses V6, cos V6 breasts are "special" they are bigger and have more weight that the other shapes, is very common when you mix V6 with other shapes end with a nice figure but with a too large breasts or deformed, so this item can be very helpul and very needed.

    Bigger than Girl 6? I've always thought the Girl had the larger breasts.

    Well thats true, but the big problem of V6 is that it adds weight of the sides of the breasts, wich is ok cos it creates realism but then its also problematic when u wanna do a more rounded breasts or when u apply different shapes it deforms to some ugly breasts.

    I also wish some PA could make some nice breast morphs pack, I really don't know why they don't, cos they would make tons of money, but maybe is Daz policy

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    edited December 1969

    Some quick experiments. NPM seems to be good up to about

    0.6 on Wachiwi
    0.7 on Charlize
    0.0 on Alyana. (Her breasts are so unnatural to begin with that even a slight touch makes them worse)
    0.3 on Cassie
    0.6 on Stephanie
    0.6 on Gia
    0.7 on Girl
    0.4 on LY Kari (and some of the morphs really help correct the disaster on the underside of her breasts)
    0.4 on Mahala (and again, some of the morphs correct an awkward breast underside)
    0.8 on Olympia

    Those are sorts of averages. When I said 0.8 on Olympia, for example, some morphs made it to 0.9 or even 1.0, while others fell apart at 0.7.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,039
    edited December 1969

    Xdye said:
    How many complaints for an item that cleary says its for V6. It has it's purpose and can be very useful for people that uses V6, cos V6 breasts are "special" they are bigger and have more weight that the other shapes, is very common when you mix V6 with other shapes end with a nice figure but with a too large breasts or deformed, so this item can be very helpul and very needed.

    ...there has always been an issue with Vicky's breasts not being able to be "downsised" V6 is a morph of G2F. therefore the NPMs should have been designed for the base G2F figure and not just Vicky6.
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,778
    edited December 1969

    I don't think it's a "should" - as has been pointed out, making the morphs work fully on different shapes would require different morphs for many or lots of JCMs, making a different (and more expensive) product. I hope that the reaction here doesn't deter the PA from making a set for G2F, and for some of the other "figures", as I agree there's a need for them - but we can't demand that as a right.

  • Rayman29Rayman29 Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    Xdye said:
    How many complaints for an item that cleary says its for V6. It has it's purpose and can be very useful for people that uses V6, cos V6 breasts are "special" they are bigger and have more weight that the other shapes, is very common when you mix V6 with other shapes end with a nice figure but with a too large breasts or deformed, so this item can be very helpul and very needed.

    ...there has always been an issue with Vicky's breasts not being able to be "downsised" V6 is a morph of G2F. therefore the NPMs should have been designed for the base G2F figure and not just Vicky6.

    Can see where your coming from. But then it wouldn't work well at 100% on V6, or any other character with a different chest shape to G2F.

    I've been using Sculptris and Morph loader with reverse deformations for a while. And its completely changed the scope of Studio for me.
    I'll put together a short tutorial over the next few days.

  • RenpatsuRenpatsu Posts: 828
    edited December 1969

    To be honest, I think the breasts of V6 are more problematic for downsizing than G2F ones, due to the shape. So this might have been one reason. Also a lot of characters are primarily designed for V6 shape. Anyway, I am quite pleased with the product :) It works great on V6 and as a bonus works pretty well on other shapes within margins :)

  • Mr Gneiss GuyMr Gneiss Guy Posts: 462
    edited December 1969

    I don't think it's a "should" - as has been pointed out, making the morphs work fully on different shapes would require different morphs for many or lots of JCMs, making a different (and more expensive) product. I hope that the reaction here doesn't deter the PA from making a set for G2F, and for some of the other "figures", as I agree there's a need for them - but we can't demand that as a right.

    I hope so too. The product states what it is for, Victoria 6. If it works on other things satisfactorily, great, but it's not something we should count on.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,039
    edited December 1969

    ...Steph6 and especially Josie would be my next choices for an NPM morph set. I was actually a little surprised this wasn't for Steph6 since the Gen4 NPMs were for Steph4. I guess the reason the Gen4 NPMs worked well (at least for me) with the other Gen4 females is because all were morph subsets of the Vicky4 mesh rather than a more generic figure like Genesis.


    @Rayman29, I do have Sculptris, so looking forward to the tutorial.

  • Mr Gneiss GuyMr Gneiss Guy Posts: 462
    edited March 2014

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...Steph6 and especially Josie would be my next choices for an NPM morph set. I was actually a little surprised this wasn't for Steph6 since the Gen4 NPMs were for Steph4. I guess the reason the Gen4 NPMs worked well (at least for me) with the other Gen4 females is because all were morph subsets of the Vicky4 mesh rather than a more generic figure like Genesis.


    @Rayman29, I do have Sculptris, so looking forward to the tutorial.

    Actually, there are separate sets for S4, V4 Elite, and Reby Sky. Just like the Natural Gravity Morphs were also made in character specific sets.

    Post edited by Mr Gneiss Guy on
  • timnaastimnaas Posts: 119
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...Steph6 and especially Josie would be my next choices for an NPM morph set. I was actually a little surprised this wasn't for Steph6 since the Gen4 NPMs were for Steph4. I guess the reason the Gen4 NPMs worked well (at least for me) with the other Gen4 females is because all were morph subsets of the Vicky4 mesh rather than a more generic figure like Genesis.


    @Rayman29, I do have Sculptris, so looking forward to the tutorial.


    He pal. I have the morphs set my self. I will send you a note over one DA with images for you.
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