Remote Desktop

Has anyone found a remote desktop software which will allow control of DAZ Studio from a remote machine? A couple of years back there was none that anyone knew of. I was just wondering if anything has changed. The problem is loss of control of the "view Vantage" cube. You just touch it with the mouse and the model goes bazerk. You cannot position using the cube.

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  • duckbombduckbomb Posts: 585

    Splashtop will work.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    A couple years back I was using Splashtop to do just that. I've posted about it numerous times, but I know stuff can get buried in these forums. Splashtop is quite solid for this and I have been using it for probably 5 years now.

    If you have issues with the viewport, there are ways to fix it. My laptop would do this if I used the touchpad, but if I use a mouse it doesn't. If you have a mouse that has adjustable sensitivity, that might help too. 

    You can try matching the screen resolutions between the hardware, or getting them close. I believe that is part of the issue. I have used Splashtop on my laptop, smartphone, and tablet. I always use a mouse with each (Android will accept a mouse.)

    Google offers a free remote access now, too, running in the Chrome browser. This is one is interesting. I like Splashtop more, but the google one is very quick to boot up, much faster than Splashtop. However the mouse was a bit floaty, like I was using a trackball. It was weird, but manageable.

    Splashtop has a free version, as long as you use your home network, it is totally free. So you can test it out for yourself.

  • duckbomb said:

    Splashtop will work.

    Thanks, I will try it.

  • A couple years back I was using Splashtop to do just that. I've posted about it numerous times, but I know stuff can get buried in these forums. Splashtop is quite solid for this and I have been using it for probably 5 years now.

    If you have issues with the viewport, there are ways to fix it. My laptop would do this if I used the touchpad, but if I use a mouse it doesn't. If you have a mouse that has adjustable sensitivity, that might help too. 

    You can try matching the screen resolutions between the hardware, or getting them close. I believe that is part of the issue. I have used Splashtop on my laptop, smartphone, and tablet. I always use a mouse with each (Android will accept a mouse.)

    Google offers a free remote access now, too, running in the Chrome browser. This is one is interesting. I like Splashtop more, but the google one is very quick to boot up, much faster than Splashtop. However the mouse was a bit floaty, like I was using a trackball. It was weird, but manageable.

    Splashtop has a free version, as long as you use your home network, it is totally free. So you can test it out for yourself.

    Thanks, I will try it.

  • SadRobotSadRobot Posts: 116

    Parsec is the fastest I've seen for 3D stuff.

  • hjakehjake Posts: 895
    edited February 2021

    deleted due to accidental repeat of this post. angry

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  • hjakehjake Posts: 895
    edited February 2021

    hjake said:

    I recently purchased an annual subscription of Splashtop Personal Edition with the Anywhere Access Pack for less then $20 USD per year. The premise is to let me remote access my two home computers to render scenes I have prepared on my laptop while I am away from home. My home internet speed is 100Mbps upload/download.

    All of these systems are accessing files/folders for my MS 365 Home/Family - OneDrive account where I have set myself up as 3 family members to take advantage of 3TB of cloud storage which I share with these 3 family members. I prepare a scene on my laptop and place the file in a OneDrive folder, then I use a computer at home to render the scene. If it is an animation then each computer renders a selection of frames.

    Here is a link I made to a video (size 15mb) of Splashtop on a MS Surface Pro 4 connected to a cellphone at 3G data performance. This illustrates how well it works under poor data connections. There is lag at 3G which you will notice when I try to rapidly translate the prop on the X-axis and it goes flying off the screen. The solution is move your mouse at a slower pace. At 4G there is practically no lag. Above 4G it is like working on the computer directly.

    https://1drv.ms/v/s!AhXOSp6KOibDkuJuG_vUHNMiua1AUg?e=bOqJ4Z

     

    I was even able to use Splashtop at 2G but there is a 1 to 2 second lag so it would be impractical to edit a scene but you could load a scene and change some render parameters then press render. Patience is your friend grasshopper.

    Splashtop with Anywhere Pack is encrypted at AES 265 with TLS 1.2 SSL so you do not require VPN (i have used it through NordVPN wireguard and saw very little increase in latency or jitter. I did not require any special configuration of my home router or the need to have a linux gateway server {which I would have required for MS Remote Desktop]. I just put the streamer app on the home computer and the remote access app on the laptop. I am also able to remote access from my android phone.

     

    For your reference, these are other forum discussions which include mention of Splashtop:

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/5804866/#Comment_5804866

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/4574226/#Comment_4574226

     

    I just took a brief look at Parsec today and I plan to try its free personal edition to see how it stacks up vs splashtop for performance and features.

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  • hjakehjake Posts: 895

    I also discovered today that if you set Splashtop streamer to auto-start with windows then it starts up when windows starts. Therefore if my computer were to shutdown due to a regional power failure that lasted longer than my UPS, then I would ask someone to start the computer by pressing the power button and walking away. Once it boots I can remote login.

  • SadRobot said:

    Parsec is the fastest I've seen for 3D stuff.

    Just tried parsec on your recommendation. Had it running on both side in minutes, works find Windows -> Ubuntu, astonishingly fast. Only drawback is that multiple monitors requires the $30/month license. Thanks!

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    hjake said:

    I also discovered today that if you set Splashtop streamer to auto-start with windows then it starts up when windows starts. Therefore if my computer were to shutdown due to a regional power failure that lasted longer than my UPS, then I would ask someone to start the computer by pressing the power button and walking away. Once it boots I can remote login.

    Another fun secret having Splashtop start with Windows: if by chance your video output stops working, you might be able to access your PC remotely and actually see the picture. This has happened to me on a couple occassions. I had a black screen on my desktop, but I was able to use Splashtop on my phone to see what was there. So I was able to get some troubleshooting done and properly restart the computer.

  • Ill vouch for Splashtop. I use it every day. Im using it right now.laugh

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    sounds interesting.  so i could put my desktops in a closet and start them rendering from 1 pc to control them all?

  • Mystiarra said:

    sounds interesting.  so i could put my desktops in a closet and start them rendering from 1 pc to control them all?

    Probably.  But if the closet doesn't permit enough air flow, your computers might freak out or die.surprise  But you could always claim that it was the closet monsters that killed your computer. enlightened

  • hjakehjake Posts: 895

    outrider42 said:

    hjake said:

    I also discovered today that if you set Splashtop streamer to auto-start with windows then it starts up when windows starts. Therefore if my computer were to shutdown due to a regional power failure that lasted longer than my UPS, then I would ask someone to start the computer by pressing the power button and walking away. Once it boots I can remote login.

    Another fun secret having Splashtop start with Windows: if by chance your video output stops working, you might be able to access your PC remotely and actually see the picture. This has happened to me on a couple occassions. I had a black screen on my desktop, but I was able to use Splashtop on my phone to see what was there. So I was able to get some troubleshooting done and properly restart the computer.

    A couple years ago I had that problem. That is a great solution.  Still haven't tried Parsec yet. Probably have to wait until next week. I am very interested to compare features and performance.

     

  • RobertDyRobertDy Posts: 269

    A couple years back I was using Splashtop to do just that. I've posted about it numerous times, but I know stuff can get buried in these forums. Splashtop is quite solid for this and I have been using it for probably 5 years now.

    If you have issues with the viewport, there are ways to fix it. My laptop would do this if I used the touchpad, but if I use a mouse it doesn't. If you have a mouse that has adjustable sensitivity, that might help too. 

    You can try matching the screen resolutions between the hardware, or getting them close. I believe that is part of the issue. I have used Splashtop on my laptop, smartphone, and tablet. I always use a mouse with each (Android will accept a mouse.)

    Google offers a free remote access now, too, running in the Chrome browser. This is one is interesting. I like Splashtop more, but the google one is very quick to boot up, much faster than Splashtop. However the mouse was a bit floaty, like I was using a trackball. It was weird, but manageable.

    Splashtop has a free version, as long as you use your home network, it is totally free. So you can test it out for yourself.

    I found this through Google search, I've been trying to find a means of using DAZ through a remote desktop app on my mobile. I'm on an Android phone and I find that using a mouse to control the viewport doesn't work well at all on Splashtop. It goes crazy just like on other remote desktop apps I've tried. I don't know how it's like on another PC though, I'll need to test that out.
  • hjakehjake Posts: 895
    edited June 2023

    RobertDy - I only use Splashtop Android to check rendering status. If I wanted to work this way I would connect a 4K TV, Bluetooth mouse and keyboard.

    If you do use DAZ Studio with ANY Splashtop remote, remember that if you are using a manipulation tool like rotate model (left click rotate icon and drag mouse), and your cursor goes off the screen then DAZ Studio is still active and your model will start spinning like crazy.

    Here is a video of me running Splashtop on my Android cellphone. Also make sure you are in mouse mode in splashtop, not touch mode.

    In the video you will notice a lot of lag between the remote cursor and my phone cursor. It is because my cellphone provider is still using tin cups and strings for our service. I can use Splashtop in my small town of 10,000 people, but it requires patience on my part.  :-)

    One way to minimize the crazy mouse issue, is the use the VIEW tab in DAZ Studio and place the window near the center of the screen so when you drag you have a greater distance to the edge of the Splashtop window.

     

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  • RobertDyRobertDy Posts: 269
    hjake said:

    RobertDy - I only use Splashtop Android to check rendering status. If I wanted to work this way I would connect a 4K TV, Bluetooth mouse and keyboard.

    If you do use DAZ Studio with ANY Splashtop remote, remember that if you are using a manipulation tool like rotate model (left click rotate icon and drag mouse), and your cursor goes off the screen then DAZ Studio is still active and your model will start spinning like crazy.

    Here is a video of me running Splashtop on my Android cellphone. Also make sure you are in mouse mode in splashtop, not touch mode.

    In the video you will notice a lot of lag between the remote cursor and my phone cursor. It is because my cellphone provider is still using tin cups and strings for our service. I can use Splashtop in my small town of 10,000 people, but it requires patience on my part.  :-)

    One way to minimize the crazy mouse issue, is the use the VIEW tab in DAZ Studio and place the window near the center of the screen so when you drag you have a greater distance to the edge of the Splashtop window.

     

    Your answer on how to solve the mouse going crazy bit is the real deal and I can't thank you enough for it! With this I can say that Splashtop is the best remote program, and probably the only one that works. There's just that tiny little problem about the phone's very large cursor that obscures the remote cursor, but that shouldnt be too big of a problem. Now, if only Parsec was free...
  • hjakehjake Posts: 895

    thx :-)

  • hjakehjake Posts: 895
    edited October 2023

    One other way to navigate the viewport without drag is using the scene navigator in the TOOL SETTINGS tab. The MOVE and LOOK controls do not require drag. Instead they can use WASD or left button clicks. You can also adjust the motion distance per key press or click.

    Make sure the KEYBOARD NAVIGATION button is enabled.

    If you really want to use drag, then you could place the view tab at one side of your screen and then use the drag to the the other side thus giving yourself more on remote window drag space. Remember that if your pointer goes off the remote desktop screen then DAZ Studio will continue dragging at an accelerated rate until you let go of the mouse button and you will have reset your view setting.

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  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,293

    I'm getting a desktop soon so I was now wondering the same thing.  I have an iPhone and a Dell notebook.  I would think the Dell notebook would be better for editing and the phone would be better for checking on the renders?

  • hjakehjake Posts: 895
    edited October 2023

    Sfariah D said:

    I'm getting a desktop soon so I was now wondering the same thing.  I have an iPhone and a Dell notebook.  I would think the Dell notebook would be better for editing and the phone would be better for checking on the renders?

    My Dell business laptop is GENERIC with 16GB RAM and Intel video chip. Which means it is not designed for gaming, graphics, or 3D modeling. Up until 2 months ago I only had LTE for data service in my rural'ish area for my Samsung S23+. Now 5G  data service is available to me so everything is better. The only thing I have installed on my laptop is NordVPN and Splashtop for Business. It has been two years now with Splashtop. My biggest grip was poor network connection errors which I resolved by ending the connection and reconnecting. This might happen once every couple of hours and when it did sometimes I had to do reconnections a few times until I got a stable path. My home PC connection is on the Bell wired internet network and my cell is on the Rogers wireless network here in Canada and those two don't play nice together.

    One solution I found that helped was having both my laptop and my home computer on VPN connections sometimes both in Toronto (6 hours from me) or one in Toronto, ON and the other in Buffalo, NY. It appears (although this may be an illusion) the encryption pipeline was maintaining the same network path and improving my stability. Since I have 5G cell data service in my area the poor connection issue has mostly disappeared.

    For full disclosure, I would also mention there is lag for cursor movement and keyboard presses. It was not absolutely terrible on LTE and with 5G it is only slightly noticeable. So I would say you have to learn to pace your motions on remote connections but once you develop your rhythm, then THE RHYTYM IS GOING TO GET YOU. laugh

     

    I have three home PCs that I sometimes simultaneously connect to. One is my workhorse for Affinity graphics apps, DAZ Studio, Blender, Unity/Ureal, etc. The second is my older Nvidia 1070 Super for set render and leave alone. The third is my media center and sometimes I use it connect by Splashtop and then use Windows Remote Desktop to connect to one of the other computers if I am having a problem because I disconnected the NordVPN on the home computer and my Splashtop is having trouble re-establishing its connection and I am not patient to wait for it to sort itself out. If I connect by Windows Remote Desktop on my home network then the Splashtop connection is terminated on the computer I connect to.

    As a side note, if you use remote desktop between your two computers on your home network then Splashtop makes a local connection, not a connection through the Splashtop server network. Although I usually use Windows Remote Desktop at home.

    Last item, I have headless display adapters on all three home computers ( https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07FB2QRVZ ) so only my main workhorse has a PC monitor. This allows me to use multi-monitor setup at work. My laptop screen and my desktop monitor. That is one of the reasons why I use the Splashtop business instead of the personal edition. Headless monitors also allow me to have my home monitor turned off and still have multi-monitor usage available for Splashtop. Splashtop emulates your multi-monitor setup at home. It does not allow you to create virtual monitors so having a couple of headless display adapter means multi-monitor remote session even when the home computer has no real monitors connected to it.

    As for cellphone usage, if you want to do things in DAZ Studio through the remote connection on your cellphone then I recommend connecting/casting your cell phone to a monitor or TV and connect bluetooth keyboard and mouse to your cellphone.

    I use this adapter when I am in hotel rooms or at a friends place UGREEN USB C to HDMI Adapter 4K 60Hz ( https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07X25ZR56?psc=1 ).

    I hope this LONG explanation helps those considering entering the dark and mysterious world of remote desktop. laugh

    If yes, then please post a thank you. It always nice to read that this advice was helpful to someone. wink

     

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