Poser claim that DAZ created art, is created instaid in Poser.
Anubic Darque
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This popped up on my timeline on FB from the Poser people (I use both Daz Studio and an ancient poser)
Poser - 3D Figure Design
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Maybe you’ve seen the new Daz Studio in Action video, showing of all those images supposedly created in Studio? Strangely enough some of them are 100% Poser renderings, using Poser’s SubSurface Scattering and Indirect Lighting. We found five, how many Poser images do you spot? ^SFX
What do people have to say about this? and especially.. what is Daz position about this claim?
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No where does it "claim" the images where rendered in Studio, however every image shown does use Daz content. There are even some lux renders shown there. Bottom line, those images are using Daz\or its content. The clip is not just showcasing the application, but content the site sells which is what those images where created with. The Section showing Studio in action is accurate. No where does it claim all images were rendered in it.
I think Smith Micro needs to be informed of that... cos they working on that for anti daz studio mileage
Then so should the people at Luxrender, Octane and Adobe for images that used postwork. See where I am going? There is no grounds to stand on as there is no claim all images were rendered in Studio. The video's main aim was to demonstrate what you can do in Studio and how easy it is to set up a scene and how to get started. What application it was rendered in is not the focus.
there are also images by a Carrara artist who renders in Reality featured
as I mostly have to set up my genesis stuff in Daz studio for carrara I suspect she may too
unless her C8.5 is less buggy than mine with Genesis!
I think it's a moot point anyway since the figures were rigged using DAZ Studio, so none of the content based or rendered from it would not be possible without the software.
Which new DAZ video is this?
SM usually use Daz Figures on their boxes and to advertise their own software, I've never seen any one decry them for that, funny that they don't showcase their own figures I wonder why that is.
The one on the homepage.
This, very much this. The name of the video is not "DAZ Studio in Action." The name of the video is DAZ 3D in action. We were well aware that many of the images were rendered in Poser, Lux, Octane or another software. Heck one of them was rendered in Modo. However we went to great lengths to ensure that every image either used DAZ Studio or more importantly used DAZ Content. The goal of the video was not to showcase what you can do with DAZ Studio (though you can do amazing things with it) but to showcase what you can do with DAZ Content regardless of your application of choice.
This, very much this. The name of the video is not "DAZ Studio in Action." The name of the video is DAZ 3D in action. We were well aware that many of the images were rendered in Poser, Lux, Octane or another software. Heck one of them was rendered in Modo. However we went to great lengths to ensure that every image either used DAZ Studio or more importantly used DAZ Content. The goal of the video was not to showcase what you can do with DAZ Studio (though you can do amazing things with it) but to showcase what you can do with DAZ Content regardless of your application of choice.
The name of the video is "DAZ 3D in action", but the link to see the video is "DAZ Studio in Action". I see how it could be confusing for someone new to this. I don't think there is any intended deception, just some confusion.
And this is where the whole scene went down into the toilet, what is this back and forth about in the first place? What is the purpose? I use both programs, love both programs, Daz has always had the better content figure wise hands down, Poser the better rendering engine and that is my personal opinion.
This is what the video is saying, that the content is great in different programs? At least that is what I thought it was about?
So what if someone uses one company's products in another program for their renders? The unity that came from the programs is broken and there are some within the Poser/Daz community who are starting to sound just like those 3D modelers who feel elite compared to the artists who in their own words; "play dress up with digital dolls" and are usually never too tired to remind us that they feel that way.
How about this,
If you want to pay for Poser then you definitely get your money's worth, if you are hard strapped for cash and want a great program for your 3D art by all means grab Studio it is comparable by far. Actually for the price, why not pick if up anyways? Wouldn't hurt.
You want figures that are well established in the community and that you can find tons of freebies and products for than grab the pre "Genesis" generation figures.
If you want a well made figure that is only starting out but has potential and products to play with than Genesis and Genesis 2 are for you.
There are some compatibility issues with all of the above figures so that is why research can be a great friend.
Oh,
and if you want a program that has it all, one click compatibility, and even includes the inventive "Create Art" button then please keep on dreaming that dream. Although if you ever find such a program let me know.
:)
Yawn.... some social media intern probably running their facebook page over the holiday weekend
The name of the video is "DAZ 3D in action", but the link to see the video is "DAZ Studio in Action". I see how it could be confusing for someone new to this. I don't think there is any intended deception, just some confusion.
Good point. I hadn't noticed that. I'll speak with the design team.
Exactly how I looked at it direwrath2000 as one of those images was done in Vue using a lot of content purchased here.
Salem2007 good catch, never noticed it either. ;)
I really haven't paid any attention to the video so I don't know know. Is credit given where credit is due? An image that uses DAZ content but is rendered in Octane.
Does each image used in the video list it's content and the app it was rendered in? A blanket statement that it is DAZ Studio in action when DAZ Studio is not the sole app used to produce it is a bit misleading. Those who have no experience watch the video and come to the conclusion that everything they see in the video can be done with DS.
This harkens way back to the original press releases where the then heads of DAZ gave the impression that any one could produce beautiful 3D art (most of the the examples shown had been done either in Poser or were heavily postworked) with a few clicks of the mouse.
Just speaking for myself the rendered in Vue image is part of the rotation of big images behind the play button. My other image in the video itself is 100% pure Daz Studio.
But like everything, things can be misinterpreted if not clear from the start.
I didn't realize that other programs were used. I thought that everything was done in DAZ Studio, so, yes, the labeling "DAZ Studio in Action" has caused confusion. I'm kind of disappointed now, to learn that that DAZ Studio did not render all of those images.
I too initially thought all images were rendered in DAZ Studio. I'm glad to know that other programs were used to get the images to look the way they do. Knowing this makes me realize even more how DAZ contents are being used by artists and the interchangeability between other programs. I use both DAZ Studio and Poser comfortably and render in Reality using both programs so I have no problems finding out what program was used to render each image, because at the end of the day, they were all done using a 3D program along with an image manipulation program for post work and to me it all boils down to great use of 3D contents (which happen to be DAZ contents).
Wait, isn't the video titled "Daz Studio in Action?"
Wait, isn't the video titled "Daz Studio in Action?"
No, the video is titled "DAZ 3D in Action", but it looks like the person assembling the home page made the texxt for the links DAZ Studio rather than DAZ 3D.
Hey look! DAZ made a really big misstep on wording things! Today must be...every day on every week on every year ever.
Biggest surprise for me was reading that some people really thought all this stuff was rendered in Studio. I figured everyone was at least aware of the HellboySoto renders at this point.
SM usually use Daz Figures on their boxes and to advertise their own software, I've never seen any one decry them for that, funny that they don't showcase their own figures I wonder why that is.
Actually, no. P6 and up uses the included content. The P10 and Pro 2014 boxes use Anastasia for Alyson2.
This whole thing is a big nosense...no reason at all to make the gap even bigger! Don't you all understand that from the time the split took place the only losers where actually the...users? We are talking about 2 competitive companies with only goal the profit. Lets not fool ourselves. And surely no need to choose camps. I wish world was different and everyone could work for a bigger purpose! If those 2 companies could work together they would be an unquestionable monopoly. With innovations beyond our imagination...but thats just me who thinks this way...
No, the video is titled "DAZ 3D in Action", but it looks like the person assembling the home page made the texxt for the links DAZ Studio rather than DAZ 3D.
Ah well then that's another story. In that event, I see no problem at all since daz's products are made for daz studio AND poser.
Perhaps DAZ figures look better? I am very curious if anybody still uses Dork, for instance. Or all those figures that are supported by hairstyles made by Mairy/3Dream at Rendo. They look somehow hideously by today's standards, but that's just a humble opinion.
Oh yes, sadly, I have to totally agree with you. I guess Poser is purposedly not letting out their dynamic technologies to DAZ. On another hand, they don't seem very happy with DSON (I wonder how hard they still try to make it more compatible). But that's raging capitalism.
This is a discussion of the labelling of the video on the front page, let's work to have it not turn into another Poser vs. DS war please.
The video is confusing. If you read the links it implies that we're looking at a Daz studio video. If you watch the video it also implies the same thing with the things like Easy, Power, Free. Then add in the video being interspersed with screen shots of scenes being set up in Daz Studio. Then dynamic lighting - does Daz 3d selling dynamic lighting for software other than studio? I thought all of those images were rendered in DS until I came here. So I found it misleading.
Hopefully this post will be allowed despite deviating from the original topic as I wanted to address this comment which is not accurate.
Many of the Poser features are licensed from other companies, so SmithMicro couldn't withhold the technology from Daz3D.
Poser Cloth Simulation is licensed from Size8 Software, Inc.
Poser Face Room is licensed from Singular Inversions, Inc.
Poser Lip Sync is licensed from Automatic Sync Technologies.
And a whole load of open source is used for things like Bullet Physics, python, raytracing etc
Lets also veer away from the speculation. No one actually knows what the discussions between DAZ 3D and Smith Micro have been so is unfair to both companies to speculate what has or hasn't happened.