Medieval Wagon [Commercial]
Merlin Studios
Posts: 317
The Medieval Wagon is now available in the store!
http://www.daz3d.com/new-releases/medieval-wagon
Load it up with travelers, merchants wares or criminals, the choice is yours, hitch it up to the DAZ horse 2 and away you go :)
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Merlin,
This looks fabulous, it's gone right to the top of this week's shopping list. It will be perfect for my forthcoming series of Medieval renders.
I particularly like the harness for horse 2. I've come across a number of wagons and coaches recently which are very good but the PAs responsible don't seem to have realised that you need a harness as well.
Cheers,
Alex.
Thanks very much :) I couldn't miss out the harness, my OCD wouldn't allow it lol
Brilliant. Straight into my Cart, no hesitation. Thank you.
Looks really nice! was wondering if the harness would fit (autofit?) the milhorse1 since I don't have version 2 and don't see a need for it anytime soon since version 1 still works fine.
Actually. I was going to ask about the harness. How does it 'work'? Does it autofit to the horse? Can you then parent it to the wagon so they move together?
I like the over-all look of this, but one aspect bothers me and I can't get a good view from the promo renders. - How far can you turn that front axle before the wheels run into the frame of the cart? From the main promo, it looks like the turning radius would be incredibly large as the wheels look like they'll hit the frame with less than a five degree turn.
This is an accurate representation of a real problem they had with medieval wagons. Most did have HUGE turning circles.
Thanks very much :) I couldn't miss out the harness, my OCD wouldn't allow it lol
My OCD has a problem, however. Most medieval wagons were drawn by teams (at least two) of oxen. And many/most had spoked wheels. Horses were almost never used to pull wagons in the medieval period - that didn't start till several centuries after the medieval period. Horses were extremely expensive to buy, keep and 'run', and draught horses did not exist at that time - they were what the medieval warhorses were bred into after the demise of the heavy knight after medieval times. Draught horses to pull wagons only really even start appearing in the 16th century. and weren't in widespread use until the eighteenth century. Mules were sometimes used to pull wagons in medieval times (though nothing like as much as oxen were), but you'd need more than one.
I don't suppose you'd consider doing an add-on pack (an additional purchase, not a freebie) comprising yokes and harness for a pair of either the DAZ Bulls or Noggin's Bulls that would attach to the wagon, and an alternate set of spoked wheels, would you? I'd buy this wagon if I knew I would eventually be able to harness oxen to it.
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I'm afraid I tend to agree with DavidGB - the average medieval draught animal was oxen/bullock teams. Given the state of what passed for 'roads" in the medieval period, horses just weren't up to the job, one needed brute force to drag heavy wagons through the mud. Horses were occasionally used, but only by the nobility, and even then probably only in larger towns and cities where roads were in better condition Even then teams of horses were used. . And that type of wheel is incorrect as well. Any perusal of medieval manuscripts will show numerous illustrations of oxen or horse drawn vehicles of the period. Here's one of a medieval carriage
This may seem very strange, but one of the things (among many) that put this cart in my cart was the bridle and harness. I love the different styles (covered, open, etc) and the extra props. But the first thing I did after installing this was load up the horse and discover that the bridle was separate (yay) so I tried it out with various poses and to my amazement, if you don't turn the head too much, this poses amazingly well.
I added a smoothing operator (which is NOT needed for this pose) so don't mind that. If you want a bitless bridle and reins that doesn't jerk the reins out of the rider's hands when the horse lowers or lifts its head, this is for you. Rearing, kicking, jumping, running, the reins stay in place. An extra bonus so to speak.
My only 'complaint' is that it's one material zone so I can't hide the reins with transparency if I so wish, but I would just have to define a new zone for that which we can do in Studio now.
Anyway, sorry there's no cart in this pic, but I couldn't help myself and built a scene around my test render. LOL Used a Flipmode Skybox, two grounds from DM's enchanted hill, and bushes and weeds by predatron.
Day One purchase for me. Actually my first 'punch' for the month. Just couldn't resist it.
Medieval covers a long period... Assuming we're talking northern Europe and/or Britain, then during the Dark Ages and the first half of the Medieval, the use of Roman technology lapsed and many wheels were made solid rather than with spokes. At that time, roads were primitive and the solid wheels held up better on the rough terrain - especially in the harsher northern climates.
Starting in the 12th century, in England the use of oxen to pull carts was gradually superseded by the use of horses, a process that extended through the 13th century. This change came because horse-drawn transport moved goods quicker and over greater distances than ox-drawn methods of transport.
So i think there's nothing to be complaining about.
I just bought it, but the strange thing was that it said the Platinum Club saved me one cent. The wagon looks authentic enough to use with any dragon renders, so that's all that counts for me.
Same question as Pendraia about a fit for Harry the horse.
Really sorry for the lateness of the reply, I was away over the weekend.
The harness does indeed autofit to the DAZ horse and the wagon is then parented to it. The basic DAZ horse 2 is the only one I have access to I'm afraid but I've modelled the harness to be as simple as possible to be useable in all but the most extreme poses. The hame around the neck is a separate material zone so can be hidden and just the saddle used if needed.
I got it onto the old mill horse in Poser by scaling and then parenting it once I had it fitting well.