Norse Male Contest ending August 29th 2014
rhos2821
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Troll Hammer Games is a small company that is currently constructing a large roleplaying game campaign setting for publication as a PDF document. Troll Hammer is looking for artistic renders of Non-Player Characters (NPCs) who will fit into their campaign setting and is hosting a contest in order to find artwork for this publication.
Prizes:
· Daz Gift Cards -- $30 for first place, $20 for each of the 3 runners-up,$10 for each of the 6 honorable mentions.
· Winning artwork will be featured in the published campaign setting .
Official Rules:
All submissions must be previously unpublished, original artwork, created by the artist with resources that are licensed for the creation of commercial renders.
All submission must meet all of the below requirements to be considered, so PLEASE READ THEM CAREFULLY:
The theme of this contest is Historic Male Norsemen. There will be future contests with other themes, so keep your eyes open!
Each submission must include FIVE specific images of one male Norse character, as follows: Head, waist-up, and full-body images of the character in an everyday outfit, and waist-up and full-body shots of the character in armor/battle gear or a second outfit used for their finery or “church clothes”.
The character should be styled as a realistic rendering of a Human. (No Toon or Stylized/Anime characters.)
Character styles and costume should be generally historically accurate for the time period of approximately 700 to 1200 AD.
Backgrounds should include architecture or natural settings suited to the character being rendered.
Nudity is not allowed, but attractive and/or "inviting" clothing is encouraged. Our products are targeted for an adult audience, but must not contain images of full-frontal nudity, genitalia, or female breasts.
Renderings must be done in a vertical, 3:4 aspect ratio, with a minimum resolution of 1600 x 2000 pixels.
Winning entries will be asked to submit their art as a high resolution Tiff or JPG.
The artist of the artwork must agree to allow Troll Hammer Games, LLC use of the artwork for use in its products. The artist will receive credit for their work and electronic copies of the product that their art is used in.
Submissions should be posted to this forum thread and Emailed to [email protected] . Please include all five photos in one post. DAZ forum guidelines prohibit posting images above 2000 x 2000 pixels, so you may need to resize your images before posting them.
Artists can submit multiple entries but only one of the artist's entries can be a winning entry.
Artists will be asked to sign an agreement releasing the use of their images in Troll Hammer Games LCC Hammer Games publications, and guaranteeing that all portions of their artwork is legally licensed for commercial use.
A list of products used in the creation of your images is strongly encouraged.
Prizes are $30.00 for first place and $20.00 for second, third, fourth and fifth place, and 6 honorable mentions will receive $10. Winners will be contacted through the DAZ Forums Private Messaging for current email addresses, so that Daz Studio gift card numbers can be emailed.
Deadline is August 29th 2014
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As an rpg player myself, this sounds like fun.
But I have some thoughts on this.
You are asking for quite a lot of renders, which is days of work.
If you want it to be of a commercial quality, even longer.
In all honesty, I believe you will have better succes in throwing the prize money on a pile, and hire a good artist.
I would rather work for a guaranteed fee than for a $30 I MIGHT win.
Asking an artist to sell off their full rights for a few days/weeks of work for $30 is not a good deal from the artist's point if view.
Not being mean here, just honest :)
There are two contests but I only can participate in one... Ok... Let's see...
This contest:
5 pictures -> 30$ gift card
Rendo contest (http://www.renderosity.com/mod/contest/index.php?contest_id=1394)
3 pictures -> 500$ + Poser Pro 2014 and more...
Oh, my God! How hard will be the pick!
Even going on the assumption that this is a start up company with limited funds, who in their right mind is going to sign away all rights for thirty bucks?
Someone at this gaming company clearly did not think this through.
There is a line in your rules that states thus: "The artist of the artwork must agree to allow Troll Hammer Games, LLC use of the artwork for use in its products. The artist will receive credit for their work and electronic copies of the product that their art is used in. "
This doesn't say anything about the winners, so I assume anyone that enters is giving you free artwork, with only a handful of the thousands of entries you'll get (sarcasm? me? never) getting even one cent for their troubles.
Is this the case?
Barry.
Not as to offend the OP in particular, but I come across lots of these "contests" and people posting adds in need for artists.
I stopped responding because 99% of the cases when I state my fee, they either run off or state it's "too much money".
Too much, really?
How about you clean my house, fix my sink and the roof for $10 INCLUDING the material costs?
The fee most people offer is even barely enough to cover my electric bill that it takes to render the images.
I have an education that costed me well over $25.000, my equipment was an investment over $2500 and needs updating every year.
$30 to sign off the rights of my images?
Don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Yeah, I hear that. I think people assume that because art is a passion and artists want people to see their work, that's enough to get our creative juices flowing.
Sadly, we need to eat, too!
I agree evevry one needs to eat and get a fair price for thier work..... i am creating and sharing the PDF files for little money i have been working on this for the last year and invested my personal money in do this.... it would take years to get that money back now. Troll Hammer Games is not about making money but about adding to the RPG comunity resources.
i am looking for others willing in this ....
back end return is outlined below
Appendix 2 Writer and Artist Submissions
We are always willing to review any articles, resource material, maps, adventures or artwork that gamers wish to submit. Note that by the fact of sending any work to us does not grantee that we will use it but we will look it over.
Compensation will be stated if and when we decide to use your creation and will then have you sign a release, till then the work remains your intellectual property. As a general rule each product is broken down to have a budget for its creation, below is a general compensation for the whole creation of a publication, this implies no guarantee.
Writers
All written work with in a resource publication or adventure is normally due 20% of the profit from said publication for the first year in print, the second and third year in print is halved, so 10% on the second year and 5% on the third year. Your work is broken down into a % of the total work in the publication based on the word count after editing.
Royalty payments are on a quarterly basis the end of the following month of that quarters end. All Royalty Payments are in whole dollars.
Artist
All Art work with in a resource publication or adventure is normally due 20% of the profit from said publication for the first year in print, the second and third year in print is halved, so 10% on the second year and 5% on the third year. Your work is broken down into a % of the total work in the publication based on the number of art work in said publication.
Note that art work may be used in several different publications if decided by use and each one is treated as a separate identity, with its own royalty value and start and end date. Exception is if it is not used for a period of five years after its first publication and its last use.
Royalty payments are on a quarterly basis the end of the following month of that quarters end. All Royalty Payments are in whole dollars.
Maps
All Maps with in a resource publication or adventure is normally due 10% of the profit from said publication for the first year in print, the second and third year in print is halved, so 5% on the second year and 2.5% on the third year. Your work is broken down into a % of the total work in the publication based on the Total maps with in the publication.
Note that Maps may be used in several different publications if decided by use and each one is treated as a separate identity, with its own royalty value and start and end date. Exception is if it is not used for a period of five years after its first publication and its last use.
Maps need to be in a realistic design and have the same world value and references as others we have published.
Maps are to include world maps, kingdom maps, local maps, adventure maps, building Layouts and city / town maps. Anything we label as a map.
Royalty payments are on a quarterly basis the end of the following month of that quarters end. All Royalty Payments are in whole dollars.
it was PM that i should pay a flat fee for each needed rendering, the individual sujested $25 each so for 1 NPC would cost me $125. lets do some math if there are 25 NPC in file thats $3125 out of my pocket, out of the asking sell price of $5.95 less royalities and site cost $5.06 leaving me $0.89 per sale so it would take over 3500 sales to just start breaking even.
this is simple math.... i am not doing this to make money as was sujested by the PM
thanks to those with positive messages and those willing to help
thanks for allow this rant
I am not out to sound nasty or anything, it's just something artists put up with on a daily basis.
In all honesty, $25 for a individual render is pretty cheap (I charge about $250 for a high-res one that takes me several days) your selling price of $5.95 is waaay too low.
Your buyers should be willing to pay for good art.
I don't think you were ranting, I think you put forward your point in a calm and thoughtful way.
However, I still can't see many people willing to work for nothing. As with all business matters it is a case of supply and demand. If you won't sell the 3000+ copies you need to break even then you don't have enough demand to warrant paying a fair price for your artists.
Thus, you are asking your artists to work for less than the legal minimum wage.
Would a plumber work for less than minimum wage? Or a baker? Or a gardener?
No.
I for one wish to find this company that I can acquire RPG material in hardcopy format for the meager sum of just $5.98 or whatever it was. Even in the hey day I payed much more for standard black and white game modules. Only the cover art was close to being quality that can be produced in DAZ Studio or other software now.
I guess the person offering the gift cards (I won't dwell on the things you have already mentioned) uses DriveThruRPG, RPGNow or a similar site. Their prices may reach such milestones.
You are in it for the wrong reason then.
If you have a serious intent for this game you would require serious artwork. That would mean that there should be a specific style and look to all the pieces. The random styles you would get from a contest like this would leave you with something that does not in any way look professional.
Your best idea would be to maybe stat a kickstarter program and build enough revenue to actually hire and artist or two whose work you have seen in galleries and have complimenting styles. They you will have a much more professional product to put out.
Trying to fish for artwork this way seems very unprofessional and will not get you the required quality you would need for a project like this.
Rawart has a great idea there for a kickstarter!
Material cost for demo/promo images of the post:
Medieval City (http://www.daz3d.com/medieval-city) -> 29.95$
Medieval Tabern (http://www.daz3d.com/medieval-tavern) -> 39.95$
Medieval Market (http://www.daz3d.com/medieval-market) -> 29.95$
and more...
This is a joke! ¬¬
I think the views on whether this is a good way to get artwork for the RPG, or a good contest for people to enter, have now been thoroughly aired - and the tone is becoming distinctly uncivil. Please leave it up to readers to decide whether they want to participate, and keep any discussion of alternative ways to source art work civil.
Those are great renders you have to start with rhos2821... Nicely done :)
EDIT: Whoops, sorry Richard. Didn't mean to prolong the dialog.
I hope a few people do decide to participate! I participate in contests all the time where my images could be used in advertisements for the website that hosts them. And Daz has all those cool PC Norse items....
As an up and coming artist just trying to get SOMETHING published, sounds like a good idea to me. I'll be entering.
+1 my thoughts as well.
everyone are bring up good points
simply it is this...
this is done as a hobby and is fun for me..... thus i am trying to share not be greedy
i do blacksmithing on the side also... if someone comes to me with something i think will be fun i lower my pricing because i want to go it... if i dont want to do it i raise my price in hopes i dont do it or atleast i get money... thats life
i am looking for people that like daz work and want to share it, and they have the spare time
look it over and you can see i am being fair
below is the break down of where funds from sales go
artist 20%
writters 20%
Catographers 10%
Web / site fee 20%
company/ misc 30%
Appendix 2 Writer and Artist Submissions
We are always willing to review any articles, resource material, maps, adventures or artwork that gamers wish to submit. Note that by the fact of sending any work to us does not grantee that we will use it but we will look it over.
Compensation will be stated if and when we decide to use your creation and will then have you sign a release, till then the work remains your intellectual property. As a general rule each product is broken down to have a budget for its creation, below is a general compensation for the whole creation of a publication, this implies no guarantee.
Writers
All written work with in a resource publication or adventure is normally due 20% of the profit from said publication for the first year in print, the second and third year in print is halved, so 10% on the second year and 5% on the third year. Your work is broken down into a % of the total work in the publication based on the word count after editing.
Royalty payments are on a quarterly basis the end of the following month of that quarters end. All Royalty Payments are in whole dollars.
Artist
All Art work with in a resource publication or adventure is normally due 20% of the profit from said publication for the first year in print, the second and third year in print is halved, so 10% on the second year and 5% on the third year. Your work is broken down into a % of the total work in the publication based on the number of art work in said publication.
Note that art work may be used in several different publications if decided by use and each one is treated as a separate identity, with its own royalty value and start and end date. Exception is if it is not used for a period of five years after its first publication and its last use.
Royalty payments are on a quarterly basis the end of the following month of that quarters end. All Royalty Payments are in whole dollars.
Maps
All Maps with in a resource publication or adventure is normally due 10% of the profit from said publication for the first year in print, the second and third year in print is halved, so 5% on the second year and 2.5% on the third year. Your work is broken down into a % of the total work in the publication based on the Total maps with in the publication.
Note that Maps may be used in several different publications if decided by use and each one is treated as a separate identity, with its own royalty value and start and end date. Exception is if it is not used for a period of five years after its first publication and its last use.
Maps need to be in a realistic design and have the same world value and references as others we have published.
Maps are to include world maps, kingdom maps, local maps, adventure maps, building Layouts and city / town maps. Anything we label as a map.
Royalty payments are on a quarterly basis the end of the following month of that quarters end. All Royalty Payments are in whole dollars.
sales of the product are done in PDF files or Electronic publishing
in the furture i would love to print it in book format but that would be inspensive,
printing cost are estimated at $8.76 a copy with plate burns at $37.50 each
so a 250 book run would cost over $76,000
There is a print on demand company that specializes in games, which you may want to look into.
I have my board game published there, and the quality is quite nice.
https://www.thegamecrafter.com/
Rawn
Here is my entry for the contest.
nice job grape grandpa
looking good
thanks for the submission... note to all that we prefer a more historical version... that means no horned helms. this one is fine since a few people would be abnormal or foolish since the fact of adding something like horns would catch swords or axes and make the head and helm take all the energy from the blow. a steel helm keeps you from being cut but what a head ache you would have when you woke up lol
I am not sure why people are so negitive here..... a contest is a contest. I will be posting an entry, I am doing art with daz for fun and i would create renderings for myself, why not follow someone else idea of a figure and possibly get a gift card out of it
if you can earn that type of money good for you but why cry about it when you are not offered it in a contest
besides more places i get credit as an artist, nicer my portfolio is
SOOOO true Norseman762... welcome to the DAZ forums!!!... great renders :)
good job norseman
nice civilian forms... please post armored version or second set
also email high res to my email [email protected]