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Linden Lab has updated the Second Life Terms of Service

Three WishesThree Wishes Posts: 471
edited December 1969 in The Commons

The Intellectual Property clauses are in Section 2.3.

http://lindenlab.com/tos

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    "Except as otherwise described in any Additional Terms (such as a contest’s official rules) which will govern the submission of your User Content, you hereby grant to Linden Lab, and you agree to grant to Linden Lab, the non-exclusive, unrestricted, unconditional, unlimited, worldwide, irrevocable, perpetual, and cost-free right and license to use, copy, record, distribute, reproduce, disclose, modify, display, publicly perform, transmit, publish, broadcast, translate, make derivative works of, and sell, re-sell or sublicense (through multiple levels)(with respect to Second Life, Inworld or otherwise on the Service as permitted by you through your interactions with the Service), and otherwise exploit in any manner whatsoever, all or any portion of your User Content (and derivative works thereof), for any purpose whatsoever in all formats, on or through any media, software, formula, or medium now known or hereafter developed, and with any technology or devices now known or hereafter developed, and to advertise, market, and promote the same. You agree that the license includes the right to copy, analyze and use any of your Content as Linden Lab may deem necessary or desirable for purposes of debugging, testing, or providing support or development services in connection with the Service and future improvements to the Service. The license granted in this Section 2.3 is referred to as the "Service Content License."

    Linden Lab has no obligation to monitor or enforce your intellectual property rights to your User Content, but you grant us the right to protect and enforce our rights to your User Content, including by bringing and controlling actions in your name and on your behalf (at Linden Lab’s cost and expense, to which you hereby consent and irrevocably appoint Linden Lab as your attorney-in-fact, with the power of substitution and delegation, which appointment is coupled with an interest)."

    Yeah. Sounds like I'll continue to stay out of their market for a bit yet.

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401
    edited July 2014

    Greetings,
    I think they specifically changed this section:

    (with respect to Second Life, Inworld or otherwise on the Service as permitted by you through your interactions with the Service)
    I'm guessing they're clarifying that they'll only sell the items you submit if you use their mechanism to offer them for sale, and then only on Second Life (or Inworld? Not familiar with it).

    This is better than what it had before. The thing is, though, that technical limitations require them to essentially distribute any content via their service (i.e. if you see a person wearing a cool outfit, that cool outfit has already been downloaded to your computer, in order to render it), and in order for them to operate, a lot of that verbiage is necessary.

    So *in theory* if someone purchased a game dev license for products here, it would be reasonable for that to cover Second Life usage. (Not resale, mind you, of course.) I'm fairly confident it doesn't allow it, at this point, but I'm not sure.

    Anyway, this is a step in the right direction, as they're limiting their ability to sell to only when the user has offered it for sale, specifically. Of course if you start allowing 2nd Life uploads, someone will fall prey to the Internet Fallacy (okay, just one of many, but a relevant one).

    -- Morgan

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited July 2014

    DAZ 3D game dev licenses do not allow DAZ 3D models, or any derivatives thereof to be sold at 2nd life

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  • lface8lface8 Posts: 126
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    DAZ 3D game dev licenses do not allow DAZ 3D models, or any derivatives thereof to be sold at 2nd life

    Last time I was in Second Life, I saw quite a few Daz models being sold there. I saw morphs based on the Genesis figure being sold and possible M4 (can't really tell as the morph used is also for Genesis.)
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    morphs are not models

  • lface8lface8 Posts: 126
    edited December 1969

    No, they're not. But Genesis and M4 are, no? Wouldn't taking those meshes and selling them elsewhere go against the whole "not to be sold in Second Life?"

  • robkelkrobkelk Posts: 3,259
    edited December 1969

    SickleYield said:
    ... and irrevocably appoint Linden Lab as your attorney-in-fact, ...
    Is that legal? That would seem to me to go against anti-competition laws. (Or do you not have that type of law in the USA?)
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,202
    edited December 1969

    sadly just because something is not allowed does not stop people doing it.
    I do not play secondlife but quite frankly would not buy anything in their marketplace as who knows where it is from, Google warehouse a popular source I imagine too, while sort of legal in most cases, seems rather dodgy reusing anothers mesh for profit.
    They seem to scour sharecg and Turbosquid for freebies to resell too.
    bit insulted nobody used mine though (I have browsed their market) which are redistributable but obviously too crap :lol:

  • SixDsSixDs Posts: 2,384
    edited December 1969

    Now, now, Wendy, don't be sad. I'm certain that if you just hang in there, sooner or later someone will try to screw you over, too. :)

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    lface8 said:
    No, they're not. But Genesis and M4 are, no? Wouldn't taking those meshes and selling them elsewhere go against the whole "not to be sold in Second Life?"

    Indeed, and please if you do see anyone selling the actual meshes in this way at 2nd life could you please Notify DAZ 3D, by submitting a support ticket with Zendesk https://helpdaz.zendesk.com/requests/new using the

    Report Copyright Abuse: This is for intellectual property issues or reporting piracy.

    As the relevant dept

  • alexhcowleyalexhcowley Posts: 2,386
    edited December 1969

    robkelk said:
    SickleYield said:
    ... and irrevocably appoint Linden Lab as your attorney-in-fact, ...
    Is that legal? That would seem to me to go against anti-competition laws. (Or do you not have that type of law in the USA?)

    The United States does have what they call anti-trust laws, which are designed to prevent monopolies.

    Cheers,

    Alex.

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