Libraries of Daz3 and Daz4

MethozMethoz Posts: 19
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Hello everyone!!! I know this is an older question, but I wanna try.
I used to have Daz3d Advance with Gen 4 and tons of stuff, but a few months ago I change to 4.6 pro, and I have to say it's amazing all new HD stuff, but, call me lazy, but its a bit annoying jump between libraries to reach something to work with Gen and Gen2, here its my question, is there any problem if I take all my stuff and put it in one single folder? mostly the Poser Format where its all Gen 4.
Thanks for your Time and patience.

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  • cecilia.robinsoncecilia.robinson Posts: 2,208
    edited December 1969

    Why don't you add those directories to the newest version? Just remember not to have DS3 and DS4.6 installed at the same time lest they'll go crazy.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited August 2014

    DS3 and DS4 will work on the same computer

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    DS3 and DS4 will work on the same computer
    You can have one Folder for all Content, yes but if you do move content manually make sure it goes in the right place by matching the folders to their name sakes. Then make sure DS4.6 can see the folder in the Content Directory Manager (which is the same as DS3)

    And chohole is correct you can have DS3 and DS4. on the same machine. I have DS3 32bit and 64 bit and DS4.6 Prop 64 bit on this PC with out any issues

  • Eustace ScrubbEustace Scrubb Posts: 2,698
    edited December 1969

    I've got DS2, DS3, and both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of DS4.0, 4.5, and 4.6 on this machine, and occasionally even run two different editions at the same time. Any more than two, though, would probably cause memory issues (both Windows and user! ;) )

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Why don't you add those directories to the newest version? Just remember not to have DS3 and DS4.6 installed at the same time lest they'll go crazy.
    The only significant issue will be Shaders made for DS 3's version of 3Delight.
  • MethozMethoz Posts: 19
    edited December 1969

    Hi! thanks everyone!! now I know!! but actually I was aiming to integrate bought Libraries in one single file, I mean one route for all. but thanks again for your support, your advises will help too!!.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    mithoz said:
    Hi! thanks everyone!! now I know!! but actually I was aiming to integrate bought Libraries in one single file, I mean one route for all. but thanks again for your support, your advises will help too!!.
    As long as you remove any DS 3 shaders first, there is nothing preventing you from merging the DS 3 Content directory with the DS4 one.

    Though we don't recommend mixing content installed with Install Manager with content not installed with Install Manager, it does work.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    mithoz said:
    Hi! thanks everyone!! now I know!! but actually I was aiming to integrate bought Libraries in one single file, I mean one route for all. but thanks again for your support, your advises will help too!!.
    As long as you remove any DS 3 shaders first, there is nothing preventing you from merging the DS 3 Content directory with the DS4 one.

    Though we don't recommend mixing content installed with Install Manager with content not installed with Install Manager, it does work. There is a discrepancy of info regarding Dim and non Dim installed content in the same folder/s on this forum. Some say yes and some say no. Why do you say you don't recommend it...what are the reasons? If we have the correct information to start with then us user can make informed choices. Plus I an the mid of making one hell of a tutorial about installing DS and DIM so I need my information to be correct. Can you please clarify. Cheers

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    mithoz said:
    Hi! thanks everyone!! now I know!! but actually I was aiming to integrate bought Libraries in one single file, I mean one route for all. but thanks again for your support, your advises will help too!!.
    As long as you remove any DS 3 shaders first, there is nothing preventing you from merging the DS 3 Content directory with the DS4 one.

    Though we don't recommend mixing content installed with Install Manager with content not installed with Install Manager, it does work.

    There is a discrepancy of info regarding Dim and non Dim installed content in the same folder/s on this forum. Some say yes and some say no. Why do you say you don't recommend it...what are the reasons? If we have the correct information to start with then us user can make informed choices. Plus I an the mid of making one hell of a tutorial about installing DS and DIM so I need my information to be correct. Can you please clarify. CheersIt is not recommended because Install Manager does not know about anything that it does not install. So if you have, for example, an old (DS 4.0 version) installed copy of the Genesis Starter Essentials and use Install Manager to install the current version of Genesis Starter Essentials the files are not be the same. The old files will not get removed and not just leave the orphan files around but the old files could conflict with the new ones and cause a poor customer experience and improperly loaded files.

    So while the normal issue is that you will get orphan files cluttering up your Hard Drive, it can cause more serious problems.

    Note the recommendation that they not be in the same directory is in the Docs, is in the software itself, and has been mentioned since the beginning.

    Is there someplace where you can point me to where a DAZ 3D Employee said something different, so I can get it corrected.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    It is mainly the Volunteers and users that differ in there advice and I didn't save those thread links sorry. But I should have mentioned that the advice was about Free items or other items from other stores being installed in to the same content folders as DIM installs. Is that ok or again not recommended. But since these don't have anything to do with DIM I presumed the advice say it is ok was good.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    It is mainly the Volunteers and users that differ in there advice and I didn't save those thread links sorry. But I should have mentioned that the advice was about Free items or other items from other stores being installed in to the same content folders as DIM installs. Is that ok or again not recommended. But since these don't have anything to do with DIM I presumed the advice say it is ok was good.

    It is not best practices. You are better off with two directories used by DS. One for content installed by Install Manager and a second for everything else. DS would then have 4 directories in the Content Library pane. 2 in DS native content, and two in Poser content.

    If you use Poser (2012+) and either DS or Carrara 8.5 (or both) then I, personally, recommend one additional Poser Content Directory, which contains your PoserCF files, and that directory is not in either your DS or Carrara Content Libraries, but only used for Poser and should probably be your Poser Base Content directory.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Ok cheers. So in my case with my content spread over 40 folders I would have 80 as I don't like all my content in one folder. Will DS handle that many?

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    Ok cheers. So in my case with my content spread over 40 folders I would have 80 as I don't like all my content in one folder. Will DS handle that many?

    Handle it? Yes.
    Recommended? Due to performance issues, no.

    As the software says the recommended maximum is 10, and you don't need that many under normal circumstances.

    The recommended solution is to use Smart Content to organize your content,, which is why it was created.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Yeah I remember 10 being the max in DS3 and it being the recommended limit. But after being on these forums for a few years and seeing many people, including myself, spending a lot of time Categorizing and then losing it all due to corruption, I favoured my method. Even with the new Save User settings I have seen folks not able to revive their Categorizations.

    If you can say that will not will not happen with going with PostgreSQL then I can recommend in my tutorial in favour of a minimum number of content folders in favour of categorization. Or a process that makes sure it doesn't get corrupted.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    Yeah I remember 10 being the max in DS3 and it being the recommended limit. But after being on these forums for a few years and seeing many people, including myself, spending a lot of time Categorizing and then losing it all due to corruption, I favoured my method. Even with the new Save User settings I have seen folks not able to revive their Categorizations.

    If you can say that will not will not happen with going with PostgreSQL then I can recommend in my tutorial in favour of a minimum number of content folders in favour of categorization. Or a process that makes sure it doesn't get corrupted.

    You want me to say "never" and give you a guarantee, while having no control over either your hardware or your work habits? Not a chance, but you knew that already.

    If you follow best practices, and if you don't have hardware failures, then your chances of losing everything are minimal, and your performance increase is measurable.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    LOL I did know that already yes. ;)

    Ok what are the best practices for saving out Categorizations to give a better chance of recovering them from failure or moving to a new computer? I have an idea but I would like to make sure we are on the same page.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited August 2014

    Szark said:
    LOL I did know that already yes. ;)

    Ok what are the best practices for saving out Categorizations to give a better chance of recovering them from failure or moving to a new computer? I have an idea but I would like to make sure we are on the same page.

    It is what the save Userdata is for. Use it when you make changes.

    Even if your data gets corrupt, if you have your Userdata you will still be able to recover most things. (Not removals of the metadata that comes with a product, by design.)

    And of course best practices does include following your OS's back up recommendations. :)

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Ok simple back up the user data file often, when you make changes - check.

    .So I wonder why when folks have done that it doesn't work...could be user error or other issues not pertaining to DS.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited August 2014

    Szark said:
    Ok simple back up the user data file often, when you make changes - check.

    .So I wonder why when folks have done that it doesn't work...could be user error or other issues not pertaining to DS.

    The old CMS did have stability issues, to include saving corrupt userdata.Which is why we spent so much time on it before we decided to replace it, and then took so long to find a replacement and test it. :)

    BTW, don't take my word for, test it, to make sure it will work for you.

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Yeah that make sense now. Though I never had CMS issues I have seen countless threads about it since it was introduced.

    Oh I will test it. ;) Well at least with DIM it won't take long to uninstall everything and put it into one folder...love DIM.

    Thanks Spooky for helping me here. It will also help with conveying the right info here to others and in my tutorial. Also it saved me asking these questions as I planned to do next week. Good timing.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    Yeah that make sense now. Though I never had CMS issues I have seen countless threads about it since it was introduced.

    Oh I will test it. ;) Well at least with DIM it won't take long to uninstall everything and put it into one folder...love DIM.

    Thanks Spooky for helping me here. It will also help with conveying the right info here to others and in my tutorial. Also it saved me asking these questions as I planned to do next week. Good timing.

    The quick test is to make some custom data, save your user data, then reset your database, reimport without your user data, to make sure it is back to where it was, then reimport with userdata, to make sure everything came back.

    One other thing, remember to categorize things you can simply drag and drop now.

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Nice thanks I will do that and yes I have been playing around looking at Categorizing. So much more easier than DS3

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_Spooky I have a situation that I have M4 and V4 Shapes for Genesis and V5 that I got with a magazine and obviously it needs to be installed to the main DIM installed content folder. Will this be an issue with what you have said about non DIM installed content.

    I am following your advice and reinstalled all my content in to two folders, one for DIM and one for non DIM.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    DAZ_Spooky I have a situation that I have M4 and V4 Shapes for Genesis and V5 that I got with a magazine and obviously it needs to be installed to the main DIM installed content folder. Will this be an issue with what you have said about non DIM installed content.

    I am following your advice and reinstalled all my content in to two folders, one for DIM and one for non DIM.

    For that you will have to contact Customer service.
  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Oh ok then I will shoot a Support request off, thanks for replying quickly.

  • MethozMethoz Posts: 19
    edited December 1969

    Hi everyone!! and well after read all your advises I did what I wanted, I eliminated the main folder content of DAZ, and build a new one on my external HDD, and put together both LIBRARIES (Daz 3 and DAZ 4.6) the result its that everything runs smooth, everything work!! Morphs, Shades, Skins, Hair, Props, etc, etc. all together!! Nice and Smooth, thanks for your responses. It help me a lot. :cheese:

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    cool news mithoz

    Spooky I got in touch with Technical and they tested V4/M4 shapes.exe and I was advised that it could be installed in the DIM content folder so it looks like there are exceptions to the rule.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    cool news mithoz

    Spooky I got in touch with Technical and they tested V4/M4 shapes.exe and I was advised that it could be installed in the DIM content folder so it looks like there are exceptions to the rule.

    That is not exactly correct, mostly because of the age of that installer. Customer service should have a new response for you, if they haven't already, Today.
  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Thanks Spooky, no I haven't got the reply yet but I have asked for clarification to the why when I was told that it was ok for these to be installed in the DIM content folder. I understand why certain products shouldn't be mixed and I did find it strange that I was told it was fine to install these in the same folder hence my last post here. So what I gather it is down to the age of the installer why it will not install to a separate folder as I thought Morphs NOW could be installed in to a different folder than the Base mesh.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    Thanks Spooky, no I haven't got the reply yet but I have asked for clarification to the why when I was told that it was ok for these to be installed in the DIM content folder. I understand why certain products shouldn't be mixed and I did find it strange that I was told it was fine to install these in the same folder hence my last post here. So what I gather it is down to the age of the installer why it will not install to a separate folder as I thought Morphs NOW could be installed in to a different folder than the Base mesh.
    The Customer Service Rep didn't realize the age of the installer when he told you that. He is on it.
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