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why the parenting of clothing?

WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,206
edited December 1969 in Technical Help (nuts n bolts)

a lot of G2F and G2M clothes loads parented
I HAVE to unparent it for both FBX export to iClone or saving a duf scene for Carrara or I get rigging issues
am wondering why this is a default and what advantage is in it?

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  • XoechZXoechZ Posts: 1,102
    edited December 1969

    I also do not understand it. Maybe a "cleaner" scene tab with less items? I don´t know. But I also do not like this behaviour. It happens with some hair styles too, and I guess it is done by the vendor who decides to load it as parented.
    First thing I always do, after loading such items, is to unparent them.

  • DogzDogz Posts: 898
    edited September 2014

    Yeah its bit annoying when you just loaded up a garment and first thing you want to do is select it to change mat or tweak its morphs. And you find you self drilling down the heirachy, but yes, i guess it less cluttered. I'm not actually sure if I'm guilty of this sin or not. I think when you save out a Prop/figure asset the parenting data is a default setting that you have to manually uncheck if you dont want it..

    You know what annoys me more though? Pose presets that re-position the character back to 0 X,Y,Z translate and or re-scales them back to 100%, arrrggghhh... no! why? ! :D Again, that's save defaults in action.

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  • GuyBcapsGuyBcaps Posts: 34
    edited December 1969

    Dogz said:
    You know what annoys me more though? Pose presets that re-position the character back to 0 X,Y,Z translate and or re-scales them back to 100%, arrrggghhh... no! why? ! :D Again, that's save defaults in action.

    Oh yeah. These are the worst. Heck, the Poses that came with the base V6 model do this. WTF?!

    Resetting facial expressions. Also obnoxious! I know some poses have built in expressions. But can't you include them as a separate head pose file?

  • DogzDogz Posts: 898
    edited September 2014

    Ah crap - now that one I AM guilty of, But It was my first pose set ever and and....(Insert lame excuse)
    No, seriously you are quite right, the expressions should be saved out separately.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,804
    edited December 1969

    Having the clothes parented to the figure is necessary for wearables and hierarchical pose/materials presets to work.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    Richard Haseltine said:
    Having the clothes parented to the figure is necessary for wearables and hierarchical pose/materials presets to work.

    Yup. This.

    But on the poses thing, remember - you can use Ctrl+click on a pose and uncheck the translations to keep from resetting its position!

  • DogzDogz Posts: 898
    edited December 1969

    SickleYield said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Having the clothes parented to the figure is necessary for wearables and hierarchical pose/materials presets to work.

    Yup. This.

    But on the poses thing, remember - you can use Ctrl+click on a pose and uncheck the translations to keep from resetting its position!

    Woah, never knew about that little gem, thank from here to eternity sickle :) !

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416
    edited December 1969

    Parented clothes drive me absolutely nuts.. I never do it, but was forced to by QA at one point. >.<</p>

  • Tramp GraphicsTramp Graphics Posts: 2,411
    edited December 1969

    I don't even know what heirarchial pose/material presets are, but I never parent my conforming clothes to my Genesis figures, and the clothes follow the figures' poses just fine.

  • DogzDogz Posts: 898
    edited October 2014

    Cant say I've noticed what difference it makes either, but if Richard (backed by Sickle) say so, I ain't gonna argue. :P.
    Probably I've never needed to do what ever the fudge it is that needs it.

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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    In my case, wearables presets. Any time I do an outfit I usually offer it with a preset that loads the entire outfit, and proper setup for those requires things to be parented. I do this with my rope/chain prop type things too.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,206
    edited December 1969

    I admit I did find one senario where I needed to do it,
    instancing
    but with that came a catch, transforms added to aniblocks do not work on instances, they move in place
    they do however save on resources in octane render if I ever need identical crowds doing the same movements.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    wendy♥catz said:
    I admit I did find one senario where I needed to do it,
    instancing
    but with that came a catch, transforms added to aniblocks do not work on instances, they move in place
    they do however save on resources in octane render if I ever need identical crowds doing the same movements.

    Music vids? Line dancing?

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