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Background Image????????

NedKellyNedKelly Posts: 63
edited December 1969 in Technical Help (nuts n bolts)

In previous versions of DAZ there was an icon in the CREATE toolbar that allowed you to insert a background image, it is not there in 4.7 neither is the option for the same thing in the dropdown menu. Is it not possible to use a background image any more? If this is the case then how do I roll back to an older version, 4.6.3.52 is the version I have been using recently but I just checked and it isn't there in that version now either.

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  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,355
    edited December 1969

    I only know of Backdrop in the Edit Menu.

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    The option to use a background image has been moved, as has the change background colour option.

    You need to go to Window > Panes (Tabs) > Environment, and load the background image from there in the pop-up window.

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,355
    edited December 1969

    Sorry, I should have said I was referring to 4.6. Environment in 4.7, as Jimmy says.

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    I am just getting used to 4.7 myself Chris, quite a few changes :)

    I hadn't realised that the background colour could be changed from the Environment pane as well as the Customise option

  • KeryaKerya Posts: 10,943
    edited December 1969

    Nice explanations by Richard
    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/17/P30/#718267

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    Kerya said:
    Nice explanations by Richard
    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/17/P30/#718267


    Excellent thread - bookmarked. Thanks Kerya
  • NedKellyNedKelly Posts: 63
    edited December 1969

    Thanks guys, that helps a lot.

  • kelchris3kelchris3 Posts: 1
    edited December 1969

    Thank you !!! Was hurting my brain trying to find this.

  • jakzun_9ecf4a7248jakzun_9ecf4a7248 Posts: 25
    edited December 1969

    backdrop image turns off if i add models to the scene - 4.8 and, i can't find the backdrop button in 4.6 anymore - it's not in the 'EDIT' menu or any of them

    Edited to add subject to body of post

  • jakzun_9ecf4a7248jakzun_9ecf4a7248 Posts: 25
    edited December 1969

    whenever i import a model, the background image disappears...

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited June 2015

    What version of DAZ Studio are you using? (Help > About DAZ Studio will tell you)

    What format of model are you importing (OBJ, FBX or something else?)

    If you create a New Scene from the File menu, you will have to reload the background, unless you always want that background, then you can do that in Preferences.

    Post edited by JimmyC_2009 on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,804
    edited June 2015

    Are you using Iray or 3delight to render? The Backdrop command has been replaced with the Environment pane - Window>Panes(Tabs)>Environment - where you set the Type to Backdrop to get the equivalent of the controls from Edit>Backdrop, plus a few new ones. However, if you are using 3Delight you may want instead to use the Environment section in Render Settings and apply an HDR image to the dome, which will (with the mode set to Dome or Dome and Scene) light as well as providing a backdrop - but of course you are then limited to the available HDR images.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    edited December 1969

    In Edit>Preferences>Scene which tick box do you have selected in the Backdrop Image section?

  • jakzun_9ecf4a7248jakzun_9ecf4a7248 Posts: 25
    edited December 1969

    i'm rendering the preview, not 3D delight

    i'm in the 'environment' tab and when i first load a new scene and add the image, it works fine but, it drops when i add anything to the empty new scene and it WILL NOT show the image when i reload it

    it does show that it loaded in the settings pane but, it never loads in my actuan scene


    thank you

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,804
    edited December 1969

    Are you using the beat or the release build? There's a bug in the release build that causes the pane to get out of sync - it shows settings, but in fact in DS it is set to None internally. This is fixed in the beta, according to the Change Log, but in the release build the workaround is to set the Type option to Backdrop even though it already says it is - alternatively simply don't set the backdrop until you have loaded an item into the scene.

  • jakzun_9ecf4a7248jakzun_9ecf4a7248 Posts: 25
    edited December 1969

    the backdrop will not load into a scene after i've imported a model into it - it shows in the pane but, never on the stage

    i don't know what version i have - i've never seen 'beta' anywhere - i think it's the non-beta release

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,804
    edited December 1969

    OK, as i said in the pane from the Type menu set it to Backdrop - I know it says it's already set to that but it isn't really. When you do that you will be able to adjust the settings and they will affect the scene.

  • pauljacob11pauljacob11 Posts: 203

    OK, I used panes, environment, backdrop to insert a background image.  After I posed the figure, I chose 'None' to remove the background image. I saved the file. When I loaded it later, the background image was there too.  How to delete the image so it won't show again -- ever.

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232

    The backdrop function seems to glitch fairly frequently, so that the settings it shows don't match what it'll do when you render. Try switching it back and forth from "None" several times, not just once. That usually fixes it for me.

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,355
    edited September 2015

    Go back to the environment panel and set Type back to none.

    Edit:  Heh, I had the window open before SpottedKitty responded.

    Post edited by Cris Palomino on
  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001

    Also, make sure you are running the most recent version 4.8.0.59, as there were several problems with the backdrop that are supposed to be fixed.

  • pauljacob11pauljacob11 Posts: 203

    Thanks friends appreciate your help.

  • JD_MortalJD_Mortal Posts: 760
    edited January 2016

    Can this option be moved to the "Rendering" panel, since it is a "Rendering Option". This is driving me crazy having ot change this for every scene, digging in opposite ends of anything that is related to rendering.

    Should be in the "General" tab, of the rendering settings, or as a replacement for the "Skydome", and with an option to "Use Alpha". (Alpha or Color), not (Alpha or Background), as a background may have an alpha as a PNG, thus, you would see the COLOR or the SKY-DOME, or the final ALPHA. Why waste memory creating an alpha-layer if it is never seen.

    Something like this... (Stacked from back to front... {Color/Alpha}/{Image/Alpha}/{Sky}/{Foreground 3D scene})

    - Background color [255.255.255][None {Alpha}]

    - Background Image [image.png][None {Alpha}] (Like color, not accepting light, it is what it is, for colors)

    - - Use Alpha [Yes/No]

    - Sky-Dome [image.png][None {Alpha}]

    With the obvious foreground being the 3D scene, and always present.

    Bonus if there is an option to "Set horizon", on a camera/scene, to lock it to the background horizon on the actual image. So that the ground-plane matches the actual background image ground-plane.

    P.S. Adding an image to a primitive does not work, because there is no option to make the object NOT accept light, and the "Ambient light" setting in the materials, is apparently broken, or not programmed correctly. 100% ambient light would be the image textures 100% colors, and 0% light-effects. 0% or 100% has absolutely no change in ambience with solid black or solid white, on the image. 100% diffuse makes the image super white saturated and any value less than white, leaves a horrible grey-tone where white should be. (Tested in IRAY, not the other rendering engine. Ambient may be programmed correctly there. But that isn't an acceptable rendering engine for reality. Only for plastic renderings.)

    Post edited by JD_Mortal on
  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631
    NedKelly said:

    In previous versions of DAZ there was an icon in the CREATE toolbar that allowed you to insert a background image, it is not there in 4.7 neither is the option for the same thing in the dropdown menu. Is it not possible to use a background image any more? If this is the case then how do I roll back to an older version, 4.6.3.52 is the version I have been using recently but I just checked and it isn't there in that version now either.

    you have some question marks for free ?

  • ktollefsonkktollefsonk Posts: 0

    i am doing the "barfoot dancer" tutuorial in v. 4.9  edit>background selection box is still not there as previously posted. what do i do--where do i look for it?

  • RenderPretenderRenderPretender Posts: 1,041
    edited August 2016

    I have found that the background/environment function could not possibly be more kloogy and annoying, with background images disappearing, seemingly with no rhyme or reason. Sheer frustration has caused me to adopt the as yet foolproof alternative method of applying my background image too a vertical plane, placing the plane where required and moving it about at will/as needed. This also allows the background image to benefit from DoF settings.

    That environment pane background function needs to be either fixed, once and for all, or abandoned.

    Post edited by RenderPretender on
  • Angelheart77Angelheart77 Posts: 48

    the bacdrop is very nice feature as the environment and the ability to customize and changing the color of the viewport.

    Sometimes computers don't follow the owner's orders because of so many reasons that cannot listed here...

  • joseph_ae7474f6joseph_ae7474f6 Posts: 0

    Is it possible to make the backdrop a video file? I want to time out my animation to my background plate. Is this possible?

  • mindsongmindsong Posts: 1,701
    joseph_ae7474f6 said:

    Is it possible to make the backdrop a video file? I want to time out my animation to my background plate. Is this possible?

    In case other stumble on this thread,

    I would think the animated textures script in the daz store (or the other store?) would map PNG sequences to the background as an option. Haven't tested.

    ymmv,

    --ms

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