Clothing style from John Waterhouse paintings?

Shimrian

Hi there,

I hope this is the correct forum for questions about products (and clothing styles).  I've been working on recreating a few scenes from paintings that I like while learning to use Daz and was focusing on a few pieces from John Waterhouse.  If you're not familiar with him, the clothing style I'm looking for is from paintings like The Lady of Shalott and Ophelia (examples posted from Wikipedia).

I'm not even sure what this style is because it wasn't what was in fashion during the 1890s (when they are done).  My guess is that it's what he thought the fashion would have been like during the ancient Greek and Roman eras. Some of his later stuff can have a lot more detail like this later painting of Ophelia (from 1910).

The closest I could find was maybe https://www.daz3d.com/sy-dforce-roman-clothing-pack-genesis-8-female, but it's not quite right.  Does anyone know if there are better matches to this type of clothing?  Also, what do you call this style of clothing (so I can search for it)?  Thanks for any help you can provide.  :-)

Enchanted April

A quick research for the Lady of Shalott in my library https://www.daz3d.com/medieval-princess-dress-for-genesis-3-females for sale today...

Ascania

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-high-fantasy-dress-for-genesis-8-females

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-high-fantasy-cloaks-for-genesis-8-females

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lorelle-gown

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-bliaut-for-genesis-8-females

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-camilla-medieval-gown-for-genesis-8-females

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-elven-dress-for-genesis-8-and-81-females

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-roanmara-ii-for-genesis-8-females

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-rochelle-gown-for-genesis-8-females

 

Shimrian

Thank you Enchanted April and Ascania!  There are several good options to look at, especially Roanmara II with the square neckline that matches the neckline in the second image.  One thing I was hoping to find was a dress that was not overly tight in the chest area and had a low belt on that waist with a loose fit.  Maybe I can mix and match a few things?  Thanks!

Fae3D

Now I haven't tried this myself, but to get a loose fit, perhaps you could scale the dress up a little and then dforce it?  That should make for a looser fit, theoretically.

WendyLuvsCatz

ironically this style of clothing is very easy to model but impossible to rig which is probably why you won't see many in the DAZ store but more likely on Renderosity where rigging isn't required. many are also made for Poser but should work with Dforce too.

It is the sort of clothing I even make by tracing around a figure with a polyline in Carrara, filling the polygon, adding points and linking lines, adding thickness, deleting the neck, hem and armholes.

or in Blender you use the proportional editing and adding points, this can also create strings to stitch stuff with their clothing sim

or ....you could even try a cube with lots of subdivisions in DAZ with the geometry editor and Dformers or Mesh Grabber if you have it.

richardandtracy

As an aside, the clothing style is a Pre-Raphaelite re-imagination of Mediaeval clothing. They didn't feel constrained by un-important details like historical accuracy because it intruded on the artistic purity of the re-imagined style. Other famous artists of the genre include Dante Gabrielle Rosetti, William Morris and Edward Burne Jones. I hold a particular distain for William Morris, because he was so anti-industry, yet could only afford his wealthy 'rejection of industry' lifestyle because his father made the equivalent of millions by investing in the Devon Great Consols copper and arsenic mine on the Devon-Cornwall border (where a number of my ancestors worked). And you can't get more industrial than mining... 

Regards,

Richard.

chris-2599934

I hope to see some of your Waterhouse creations in the future. Here's a version of Hylas and the Nymphs I did a while back, though there's not a lot of clothing involved. I had to raise the water level and move the lillies around a bit to comply with the Terms of Service!

 

Shimrian

chris-2599934 said:

I hope to see some of your Waterhouse creations in the future. Here's a version of Hylas and the Nymphs I did a while back, though there's not a lot of clothing involved. I had to raise the water level and move the lillies around a bit to comply with the Terms of Service!

Great job! I recognized it right away. :-)

It might take me a while before I'm ready to share what I'm working on, but seeing your example definitely gives me courage that it can be done.  Thanks for sharing!  I'm looking at blender so I might check out the suggestions from WendyLuvsCatz in the future, but I need to limit the scope on what I start working on before getting overwhelmed. Thanks!

blainemiller

If you look at the main image for this product, you'll think I've missed the point.  However, in the first of the subsequent product images, the gown is of a looser, dreamier fit... so ditch the corsett nonsense and I think it maybe closer to what you seek.

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-vernea-fae-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

see the included image...