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As I've said the default location is "My DAZ Library" following the "users/shared" path. Within the "My DAZ Library" is the "Runtime" folder. This is where DIM has placed all of the content acquired from DAZ3D. I've allowed DIM to put these files where it wanted to and this is where DIM wanted to put them. Poser and Studio have no trouble finding this content there. Figures, props, hair, materials, poses...all of it are found and successfully loaded into either Studio or Poser from this folder. Cararra, which is also pointed directly at this folder, crashes when i attempt to load a prop or character from this very same location.
I know this is frustrating for you, but there are others here that use Macs with your OS and can use Genesis. Something is not pointing to the right place, or is causing a conflict. It may be Carrara, it may be the database or it may be the OS. The questions I'm asking are about trying to figure this out, not imply you are doing something wrong.
Supposedly there is a way to check DIM to see what database you're using. have you done so? Is it Valentina? Is Studio using the other one? Perhaps there's a conflict?
have you tried repairing the disk permissions? Sometimes it is a good idea to run them after an install.
You were able to get a mil-4 figure to load- how? Was it through the Content Browser? Are you trying to load the Genesis figures from the same Browser? Can you please, please, please post a screen cap of where you are trying to load your figures from? Apple key+shift+4 will allow you to drag around the the area of your screen that you want to capture if you're worried about privacy issues.
Have you tried using Studio to export a Genesis character (or is it scene?) and import the .duf file into Carrara? Maybe through the Import command under the File menu? Perhaps someone more familiar with .duf imports can explain the process.
I have not confirmation that I'm using Valentina but it can't be PostGre because I deleted it from my system. I've kinda begun to wonder if the previous installation of PostGre created some sort of conflict with Valentina.
I'm just dragging the figure into a blank, new medium sized scene.
Three steps to death...
Open Cararra and start a new medium scene.
Go to the content tab, find DAZ People and then drag and drop a Gen2 base figure, or and Genesis figure tor that matter and then...
Get a query to select a "path to runtime". Select said proper runtime and then...
Death. And a crash report sent to Apple and maybe one day in the next century forwarded along to DAZ where it will lay in someone's inbox probably never to be seen.
You're trying to load the Poser version -- I believe in Carrara you need to load the .duf version.
Aha! That's not the right place to load Genesis2 (or Genesis) :) I'm smiling because I think we're on the edge of a solution.
Instead, go to the Content tab, under 'My Library' runtime, follow the path to 'People' (not daz people) and down to 'Genesis2Female' and load from there, see if that works (or below that, Genesis2male).
Edited to tell you that Jon knows way more than me!
So, Jon, his top folder level is My DAZ3D Library. Does he need to find and load, My Library, or are they the same?
So, Jon, his top folder level is My DAZ3D Library. Does he need to find and load, My Library, or are they the same?
The 'My Library' runtime is the one that he needs, and if memory serves it's the only one that's preloaded/mapped in Carrara 8.5 when you first start it up. I remember being surprised and thinking 'what the heck is this?' the first time, because up to that point I was totally unfamiliar with Studio content structure. All the other runtimes I've got are poser runtimes that I manually added to my content, but the My Library one was just already there if memory serves (I hope I'm not misremembering though), and leads straight to the Studio content.
It's possible since he's got 8.5 more recently than me, or since he's using Mac and I'm on Windows, that 'My Daz3d Library' is the same thing, but I don't think so since I see folders in his screenshots for 'Faces', 'Figures', etc and these are all Poser name filing that I'm used to from my poser runtimes but that don't appear in the Studio 'My Library' section, so I'm guessing that's more likely a runtime he may have added and named similarly to the 'My Library' name, but not the same.
Fixmypcmike and Jon are correct based on the screengrab. Don't try to load Genesis, Genesis 2 Male, Genesis 2 Female, or Dragon 3 from the "runtime" content folder. Load from "My Daz3D Library", not "My Daz3D Library Runtime."
This might be helpful.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/45361/#677095
However, do load Victoria 4 and Michael 4 and earlier figures from the "Runtime" folder.
See, that's what I thought, but since I don't have C8.5 or Genesis I couldn't remember exactly what I read, and where. I didn't know quite how to articulate it. Even though I don't have either C8.5 or Genesis, I still try and follow the conversation, but unfortunately, since it is academic for me at this point, I tend to place all that information in the cob-web filled area of my brain where all my academic knowledge is trappe- stored.
That is also why I was pushing so hard for screen caps. Even if I didn't see it outright, someone with C8.5 experience would probably see it right away, and maybe offer a solution.
So, how does the Smart Content tab relate to all this Genesis nonsense?
Oh yeah, it's C7.2 Pro, so the UI will look a little different in my screen cap (no Smart Content tab), the icon and location for manually adding a runtime to the Content tab is the same.
Just an FYI, that little icon's pulldown menu is tied to the Browser tab you have selected. If you were in the Object Browser, it would say Add Folder for instance and not runtime, and when you have selected a folder, Carrara asks what type of object. The same with the Shader tab. The Browser is very powerful, but lacks a search function which is its only drawback.
Behold!
Lol, pretty much don't use smart content at all. When I first got 8.5 it used to pop all kinds of random stuff from Studio in there, I guess there's a way of searching through your content by subject matter if each item is tagged with a specific keyword or whatever, but it wasn't useful to me, then they got rid of one of the database styles (I can't keep valentina or postgru or whatever straight) and my smart content tab became a vast wasteland. I guess the latest beta straightens this out, but honestly, I've already got my stuff organized the way I want in my poser runtime structures, so for now I'll stick with that.
Ever thought of biting the bullet (physics pun in there somewhere) and getting 8.5, Evil?
I know you're pretty happy with 7.2 and it does nearly all of what you need anyway, but 8.5 has some fun stuff too to play with :) It's ironic to me that one of the all time great Carrara artists prefers to use a prior version, though I imagine you're not alone in that.
:lol: - I have not checked my smart content in Carrara since they came out with the Beta (and only a very few times before that). I am used to the content tabs. Furthermore, I'm afraid that if I ever start the CMS database then more of my stuff will get screwed up. I did install my stuff using the DIM and I do search for the location of files using the DIM search, even though I don't use smart content.
However, I have used the smart content pane a couple of times in Daz Studio while experimenting with Genesis content. I can see the attraction. If you have a figure or prop logged in the smart content database, the smart content will show all of the texture options, etc. that go with the figure (officially). In general, if I am not toying with my own creations (bwahahaha), I find myself using Genesis over V4/M4 as I get more comfortable creating content for it and kitbashing etc. I like that different people can organize content in different ways. Choice is good.
@EP, have to say that I really appreciate all the help that you give on topics and for versions that need not concern you. Cheers!
I would need to upgrade my system to an Intel Mac of some kind, which I would love, but I can't afford to at the moment. When my Mom and Dad retired, they moved in with us, and my Mom brought her Intel iMac with her. I use it as a render node when she's not using it, but to install a full version of Carrara and build and render complex scenes... Well, that would just take to much time. She's a freelance reporter, so she also needs it for her writing and research.
Someday... ;-)
Awesome syntax on that alert by the way! You would think they would take the time to proofread and look at least a little professional. I kind of expected it to end with, "all your base belong to us!"
:lol:
Me too! I officially nominate both you guys for forum MVPs :)
Although we don't yet have confirmation from Crashworship that we've actually identified the source of the problem and he's able to load Genesis2, I'm feeling good about our odds for having zoned in on the problem. I also just realized the irony in that userid, Crashworship, yikes! Hopefully once this issue is put to rest you'll have no more crashes in future :)
I realize that it must be incredibly frustrating to have spent so much time initially the first couple of days just trying to get Genesis2 to load without success, but ironically Carrara is one of the most stable programs I've used, and most things in Carrrara are easy peasy, so hopefully once past this issue it will be smoother sailing from here on out.
On the other hand, if we still haven't zoned in on it and the dang thing still won't load, let us know here too and we'll continue to plug away to help solve this.
Thanks for the kind words, guys, but all I did was bump the thread in a fairly verbose manner. You two may have nailed it down for crashworship. At least I hope you did.
I love Carrara, and I would hate to see the user base diminished by an easily avoidable problem (by DAZ), with making the installation process of Carrara and Genesis needlessly labyrinthian, and discouraging a new user from even trying it.
crashworship, please let us know if this helped at all, and if you have any other questions or need help!
Me too! I officially nominate both you guys for forum MVPs :)
Although we don't yet have confirmation from Crashworship that we've actually identified the source of the problem and he's able to load Genesis2, I'm feeling good about our odds for having zoned in on the problem. I also just realized the irony in that userid, Crashworship, yikes! Hopefully once this issue is put to rest you'll have no more crashes in future :)
I realize that it must be incredibly frustrating to have spent so much time initially the first couple of days just trying to get Genesis2 to load without success, but ironically Carrara is one of the most stable programs I've used, and most things in Carrrara are easy peasy, so hopefully once past this issue it will be smoother sailing from here on out.
On the other hand, if we still haven't zoned in on it and the dang thing still won't load, let us know here too and we'll continue to plug away to help solve this.
Actually I've been following this exchange pretty closely and have been trying the suggestions without success. The first thing I did was to remove the "My DAZ3D Library Runtime" folder and just add the "My DAZ3D Library" folder but when I do this, all of my genesis and gen2 stuff disappears. I also saw a post about trying to load the Poser versions of these characters instead of the .duf versions. So I've looked at my purchase/download/installation history from my D3D account and it shows that I've installed both Poser and D3D versions of these characters. For the record, the "My DAZ3D Library" folder is the same location and has the same files that DAZ 3D Pro 4.7 loads these characters without issue. As I've said earlier, I can load all of these figures and props without any problems in DAZ Studio. So this has to be a specific glitch with my Cararra 8.5 installation. Something seems to have gone wrong and even a clear re-install has failed to correct it. I have to walk my dogs and leave for work in a little while but when I get home this afternoon I will post a screen shot trail showing how these attempts have still not allowed me to use Genesis and Gen2 in Cararra.
Thanks for all the suggestions tho. Sooner or later something is bound to work. I really want to solve this tho because I think that Cararra is the next step beyond Poser and Studio in creating some interesting images.
Ah shoot not quite there yet, but I'm betting we're close.
Maybe I did have to add it manually, it's been a while and I can't remember, but I know the correct Studio folder shouldn't have a poser runtime structure, and definitely shouldn't have a 'Face' or 'Figure' subfolder as pictured in your screenshot. I also believe the name of the Folder should definitely be 'My Library', I don't think it will be different in the naming convention between Mac and Windows, it just may be in a different location.
Instead of 'adding runtime' try using the 'add folder' command in the location and see if you can navigate to the 'My Library' Folder for Studio.
Now where that folder is at can be tricky. For me, on a Windows machine the path is C:\Users\Daniel\Documents\DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library
It should be in your DAZ 3D folder, inside of the 'Studio' folder as a top level and I really do believe it will still be named My Library.
Inside of the 'My Library' folder is a 'Runtime' folder, but you don't want to go that far and add that Runtime, you just want to add the 'My Library' folder.
Any chance this is a more general problem? As per...
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/48629/P210/#789572
and the posts following it?
Sorry if I steered you in the wrong direction.
I do have a DAZ3D subfolder in my Documents folder but the "My Library" subfolder is empty. As I've said previously, I let the DIM create and install to the folder it wanted to when I first installed it and started using it to download and install content. It's been my experience with runtimes that if you try and mess with where installers want to put stuff it will cause you a world of hurt in getting anything to load properly in any 3D program I've used. I seem to remember way back in my Windows days with maybe Poser 5 or 6 trying to do that (I was a noob then) and absolutely nothing would work right. After having to delete everything and then reinstall all of my content, which was a massive pain, I've since just let content installers do what they want. And again, DAZ Studio and Cararra should use compatible content and DAZ Studio on my machine loads all of this content from the "My DAZ3D Library" runtime without issue. It's only Cararra that seems to have a problem with it.
When I want to load genesis, genesis 2, and other newer triax-rgged Daz content into Carrara, I load it directly from the "My Daz3D Library" from the People/Genesis(or whatever)/Character subfolders. This is the same for both Studio and Carrara. When I want to load V4, M4, The Freak, Aiko3, and other older figures available from Daz, I load them directly from the "My Daz3D Library Runtime" for both Studio and Carrara. The folder "My Library" is empty for me also.
Also, I created a couple of new subfolders in the "Presets" subfolder of the "My Daz3D Library" (not runtime). Occasionally, I will make a character or otherwise arrange content in Studio and save it out as a duf file for use in Carrara. When I do, I save it to this "Presets" subfolder among the other Daz content, not outside of the folder tree that DIM created for Studio content. This generally works fine (although occasionally it loses track of the shaders and I just reload them).
Do you want to try that? Load one of the Genesis 2 figures in Studio. Dial a few morphs to customize it in some extreme way (doesn't matter how as long as you can easily tell the difference from the default shape). Then in Studio, use "File : Save as : Character preset" and navigate to the "presets" folder in the same folder tree as your other Daz content if you are not already there. It would probably wise to create a new subfolder in there called "Export Characters" or something similar but it is not necessary.
** it is important for the test that this "save as" be in the "My Daz3D Library" folder structure, not the "My Daz3D Library Runtime" nor "My Library" folder structures. **
As a test, exit Studio, then reopen Studio and try to load the character from the location you just saved. Confirm it has the new shape then close.
Assuming that works in Studio, open Carrara and try to load the character you just exported from Studio. If it either doesn't load, or if it loads without the morphs, then there is something clearly wrong with the way your version of Carrara and your version of Genesis (2) starter essentials are installed. Since you say you are letting DIM do its thing, check in the DIM applications tab where the content is being installed to.
I should clarify with an example of what I am concerned about. On my computer, the C: drive is relatively small and is reserved for applications. But, the default install of a lot of programs is to put a lot of content and other stuff in the C: drive, including the "public" stuff like the one in your screenshot. No matter how many times I kick Daz products off of my C: drive - the updates, new Betas, etc. keep creating folders over there. This happens even though I have my D: drive designated for everything in DIM. Recently, I've had trouble in cases in which a Daz product when used in Carrara will look for shaders, etc. in a folder on the C:drive. Naturally, it isn't there, and Carrara won't look where it is (D: drive) even though the product was installed by DIM to the D: drive. It was the Daz hair cap that was supposed to be installed to the default Carrara browser!!!!!!!!!
It may be that for some reason Carrara is looking for your Genesis/2 related morphs/expressions/shaders in another folder. If you can find where that is, then you can put your stuff there.
I found the duplicate (empty) "My Daz3D..." folders on my C: drive by happy accident. There is no reason they should have existed there because my settings for the DIM clearly said D: for everything.
I hear ya. But those subfolders don't exist in my Cararra content tree when I point it to the "My DAZ 3D Library" folder instead of the "My DAZ 3D Library Runtime" subfolder. I have a DAZ People tab, but none of my Genesis or Gen2 characters are there. I have add on content created by third party vendors but not the Genesis or Gen2 characters that are produced and sold by DAZ 3D. I've gone back into the DIM to try and redownload and reinstall all of that stuff but the DIM won't let me saying it's already downloaded and installed.
For the record... I loaded a Gen2 base female figure into DAZ Studio 4.7 and included a screen shot of the path to that figure. Studio and Cararra use the same figure files, don't they?. Yet, following the same path in Cararra crashes me without fail. Or I should say "with fail always" in this case. That's what I'm having a problem with. I can load this content into Studio flawlessly. But the exact same content following the exact same path will crash Cararra. This is highly frustrating. And you may have noticed that the twirl down arrow next to "My Library" right above the "My DAZ 3D Library" option meaning that the "My Library" folder is absent. So clearly DAZ Studio is looking for this content exactly where Cararra is looking for this content.
When DAZ Studio sees a .duf file in a runtime subfolder with the same name as the Poser-format file, it uses the ,duf file instead. I don't think that Carrara does the same. I may be mistaken, but my impression is that the content browser is only for Poser-format files, not for .duf files, which need to be loaded from Smart Content.
Hmmm. Well I've dropped a couple more screen shots showing me what DAZ Studio and Cararra are showing me regarding Smart Content. I can't seem to make the two talk to each other. Am I missing something?
Probably the whole Valentina/PostGRWHATZIT that the C8.5 Beta is supposed to address.
To diomede and Jon, if you guys build a Genesis character in Studio, and export if for use in Carrara, how does that work? Do you need to go through the Browser, or can you use File--> Import?
Good question. No. In my example above, I created a subfolder in the same content library as all of the other content. So, that subfolder appears in Carrara's content tab and when save a Studio character to it, I can load the character directly to Carrara by "drag and drop" just like any other file in the content browser.
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These screenshots will show that my Carrara and my Studio use the exact same folders for all of the content that I have bought from Daz. I never use smart content and I won't even open the tab and risk starting the cms because of all the trouble I see other people have. In Carrara, I load everything from the "content" tab - NEVER FROM SMART CONTENT. I have used the smart content tab occasionally in Studio, but I am now paranoid about trying to use it in Carrara until they get the whole cms structure straightened out.
Anyway, like I said, I have to try to keep everything off of my C: drive just because the way my machine is set up. Therefore, I created a custom folder called "Stuff for Daz." In the screenshots, pretend that wherever you see "Stuff for Daz" it actually says "My Daz 3D Library." Thus, if you see "Stuff for Daz Runtime", it would be "My Daz 3D Library Runtime" on most machines. If you see only "Stuff for Daz" but without runtime, then it would be "My Daz 3D Library" without runtime on most machines.
OK - in the screenshots
* In Carrara and in Studio both, when I select the "Genesis 2 Female" subfolder of the "People" subfolder of the "Stuff for Daz" (NOT runtime), the icon for the G2F appears confirming that it is installed in that location. I can load the G2F from that location directly in Studio and in Carrara.
* Once loaded in Carrara, if I select the G2F level then the parameters tab will show joint fixes and that sort of thing. If the "actor" level is selected then full body morphs and that sort of thing appears.
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So, if you are saying that when you select the genesis 2 female subfolder of your people folder of your "My Daz 3D Library" folder, there isn't anything there (not the icon that appears in my screenshot), then that is the problem.
Couple of thoughts
1) That dang DIM has created a duplicate "My Daz 3D Library" folder somewhere on your machine and Studio is looking at one while Carrara looks at the other, or...
2) The Genesis 2 starter essentials is not installed properly, or...
3) Everything is installed correctly, but the cms (content management system) is not being read properly by Carrara although it is being read properly by Studio, or...
4) something completely different
Actually, no, The duf files do not need to be loaded from smart content in Carrara. Carrara's content browser can display and load "runtime" folders and "duf" folders.