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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024
    edited November 2022

    Oso3D said:

    I often change the transmission color to a light peach or maybe slightly more orange-yellow, but it's worth noting that the default skin isn't wrong. Some skin looks like that.

    Depends on where one lives I guess, living above the 60th parallel (north), I find myself adjusting just about all the skin tones lighter, because they look too dark. 

    Post edited by PerttiA on
  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,011

    Also depends on the ethnic mix where you are.

    Now that it's finally out, I wanted to show my corgi mouth... no HD. The entire corgi? No HD. (Toward the 'you have to have HD to do anything')

    Here's a basic morph for the mouth:

     

    Mouth 2.jpg
    1000 x 1000 - 131K
  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,009

    Oso3D said:

    There is a dial for 'mouth stickiness' that may be worth turning on or off. It basically, well, makes the lips adhere slightly when close together. This can increase the realism of some expressions, but may interfere with what you are attempting to do.

     

    i was wondering what lip sticky was. I thought maybe when you put on too much lipstick or something.  

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 1,979

    kyoto kid said:

    takezo_3001 said:

    Cool I'm not alone with my love of Gingers, although the term is used as an insult in the UK, I am not from the UK however, so Ginger it is!

    It also rolls off the tongue a lot better than redhead! :)

    GRRRR, just got a bleedin' 503 just sitting here!

    ...the main character of a storyline I am working on is has "Ginger" hair.  One trouble is finding a good fair, freckled skin which again is why I've taken to using Zev0's Skin Builder which has a freckles overlay.

    Ah, do I have some products for you!

    Ultimate Freckles by PhilW for G3/8 Fem/Male

    MoryenHD for G8.1 Fem by  Emrys Morris

    Extreme Closeup for Gen 3 Fem by ForbiddenWhispers

    Bonus points for Moryen as she has a few different styles of pale eyelashes, no more black brows/lashes!

    Hope this helps!

     

     

     

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 1,979
    edited November 2022

    MelissaGT said:

     

    Nope, I sure didn't alter the diffuse or sss maps...those are out of the box. It's all in the sss settings themselves - 

     

    Here he is against the Venice Sunrise HDRI...I deliberately left the dof turned off so you could see the peeps in the background - 

    Out of the box, pretty much 100% of Daz skins (and even a lot of PA skins) are too dark and too orange...and that's all because of the sss settings, which are easy to fix. And the sss settings I posted above will typically work with dark skin too. 

    Those setting mirror mine pretty much exactly, save for the SMD which I defaulted to the original, and the SSS colour as I used pink, I'll give this a go, thanks so much for posting!

    Oh, and I base most of my SSS from this tutorial!

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  • SorelSorel Posts: 1,395

    MelissaGT said:

    Masterstroke said:

    Padone said:

    @Masterstroke

    S[...] the more they use sss the darker will be compared to raytracing. The faithful method is much better to retain the original tint and light reaction for skins and materials in general.

    Yes, the sss makes the main difference. 
    Spectral Rendering mode won't fix the problem, though. The skin remains too dark. 
    The question is: Why is everybody using those high SSS values? Every Value higher than 10 will be too dark.
    Your Left: Rec faithful, Your right: Spectral Rendering OFF.
    Camera Headlamps are all off.

    It's the out of the box sss settings themselves that cause the skin to appear too dark. I haven't posted him yet in the faces thread, but here is a G9M I spun up using Vicky 9's skin with my own tweaks to the sss settings. His translucency weight is set to .85 (using a lower translucency is not the answer when it comes to chromatic sss). I use spectral rendering set at Faithful cie1931 - 

    Setup lighting - This is the lighting I use to set up all of my characters...default tone mapping...no postwork - 

    Photo HDRI with overcast lighting..tweaked tone mapping...no postwork - 

    Oh mah lurd this is gorgeous. blush 

  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,988

    That's a gorgeous character, @MelissaGT !

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,054
    edited November 2022

    ArtAngel said:

    Good then more likely to get decent long haired dogs with cute pony tails, up dos and braided tails . . . or mohawks. Big grin.

    ...

     

     

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,692

    kyoto kid said:

    ArtAngel said:

    Good then more likely to get decent long haired dogs with cute pony tails, up dos and braided tails . . . or mohawks. Big grin.

    ...

     

     

    Gorgeous dog. heartheartheart

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited November 2022

    Thank you, guys! I will be sure to post him when I finish the final tweaks and put some clothes on him. He's a little young for my tastes, but we don't really have much way of making our "weathered warriors" yet, haha. Vicky 9's skin is really the only base skin that is decent for a pale guy right now. I tried the one from Michael 8.1 but good lord whoever though it was a good idea to have a painted scalp/hairline on that texture needs to be banished to the corner...

    Post edited by MelissaGT on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,054

    takezo_3001 said:

    kyoto kid said:

    takezo_3001 said:

    Cool I'm not alone with my love of Gingers, although the term is used as an insult in the UK, I am not from the UK however, so Ginger it is!

    It also rolls off the tongue a lot better than redhead! :)

    GRRRR, just got a bleedin' 503 just sitting here!

    ...the main character of a storyline I am working on is has "Ginger" hair.  One trouble is finding a good fair, freckled skin which again is why I've taken to using Zev0's Skin Builder which has a freckles overlay.

    Ah, do I have some products for you!

    Ultimate Freckles by PhilW for G3/8 Fem/Male

    MoryenHD for G8.1 Fem by  Emrys Morris

    Extreme Closeup for Gen 3 Fem by ForbiddenWhispers

    Bonus points for Moryen as she has a few different styles of pale eyelashes, no more black brows/lashes!

    Hope this helps!

    ...for G3/8, I use Zev0's Brow Remover and then  Real Eyebrows for G3F or Ultimate Eyebrows for G8F along with Slosh's UHT+ (also on eyelashes) to better match to the hair colour. Skin Builder 3 & 8 works perfectly fine for my needs and saves me a lot in having to purchase a bunch of characters just to get different skins.

    I also don't work with G8.1 due to the PBR skins and hierarchical materials.

  • SolitarySandpiperSolitarySandpiper Posts: 566

    MelissaGT said:

    Thank you, guys! I will be sure to post him when I finish the final tweaks and put some clothes on him. He's a little young for my tastes, but we don't really have much way of making our "weathered warriors" yet, haha. Vicky 9's skin is really the only base skin that is decent for a pale guy right now. I tried the one from Michael 8.1 but good lord whoever though it was a good idea to have a painted scalp/hairline on that texture needs to be banished to the corner...

    Thank you MelissaGT... very impressive stuff and although i still have no idea about the settings, the tints are easy enough to understand and very effective!

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 1,984

    MelissaGT said:

    Thank you, guys! I will be sure to post him when I finish the final tweaks and put some clothes on him. He's a little young for my tastes, but we don't really have much way of making our "weathered warriors" yet, haha. Vicky 9's skin is really the only base skin that is decent for a pale guy right now. I tried the one from Michael 8.1 but good lord whoever though it was a good idea to have a painted scalp/hairline on that texture needs to be banished to the corner...

    Might be just an Illusion, but he looks familiar.

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 1,979

    kyoto kid said:

    ...for G3/8, I use Zev0's Brow Remover and then  Real Eyebrows for G3F or Ultimate Eyebrows for G8F along with Slosh's UHT+ (also on eyelashes) to better match to the hair colour. Skin Builder 3 & 8 works perfectly fine for my needs and saves me a lot in having to purchase a bunch of characters just to get different skins.

    I also don't work with G8.1 due to the PBR skins and hierarchical materials.

    My mistake Moyen is for G9, yeah I swear by Zev0's brow remover, unfortunately, it won't work with G9 as far as I know.  

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    Masterstroke said:

    MelissaGT said:

    Thank you, guys! I will be sure to post him when I finish the final tweaks and put some clothes on him. He's a little young for my tastes, but we don't really have much way of making our "weathered warriors" yet, haha. Vicky 9's skin is really the only base skin that is decent for a pale guy right now. I tried the one from Michael 8.1 but good lord whoever though it was a good idea to have a painted scalp/hairline on that texture needs to be banished to the corner...

    Might be just an Illusion, but he looks familiar.

    I started out using the randomizer with the G9 morph pack and then tweaked manually. Haven't transferred over any morphs from older generations. 

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,009

    MelissaGT said:

    Masterstroke said:

    MelissaGT said:

    Thank you, guys! I will be sure to post him when I finish the final tweaks and put some clothes on him. He's a little young for my tastes, but we don't really have much way of making our "weathered warriors" yet, haha. Vicky 9's skin is really the only base skin that is decent for a pale guy right now. I tried the one from Michael 8.1 but good lord whoever though it was a good idea to have a painted scalp/hairline on that texture needs to be banished to the corner...

    Might be just an Illusion, but he looks familiar.

    I started out using the randomizer with the G9 morph pack and then tweaked manually. Haven't transferred over any morphs from older generations. 

    there's a randomizer with G9?  

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited November 2022

    daveso said:

    MelissaGT said:

    Masterstroke said:

    MelissaGT said:

    Thank you, guys! I will be sure to post him when I finish the final tweaks and put some clothes on him. He's a little young for my tastes, but we don't really have much way of making our "weathered warriors" yet, haha. Vicky 9's skin is really the only base skin that is decent for a pale guy right now. I tried the one from Michael 8.1 but good lord whoever though it was a good idea to have a painted scalp/hairline on that texture needs to be banished to the corner...

    Might be just an Illusion, but he looks familiar.

    I started out using the randomizer with the G9 morph pack and then tweaked manually. Haven't transferred over any morphs from older generations. 

    there's a randomizer with G9?  

    This works just fine on G9 morphs - https://www.daz3d.com/simtenero-randomizer2 

    There is a newer one out there by Zev0 (I think?) that only work swith G8. I bought that one in the past and could never get the hang of it. The SimTenero one though, I had that up and running fast and it did exactly what I wanted it to do. 

    Post edited by MelissaGT on
  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,785

    I got on the train but only bought the Genesis 9 morph package. I still haven't bought Victoria 9.

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,398

    Dforce hair looks terrible with the dzDefault Toon shader, so the G9 freebie hair didn't get included in the pic, but Genesis 9 itself doesn't look too bad with said shader.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,647

    I really like genesis 9. It isnt usable yet for me since even the ported genesis 8 male morphs don't bend quite the way i like. Hopefully this will be fixed when genesis 9 male gets some releases 

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,398

    Yeah, it's got potential, but its still too early to tell if I'll be using it or not.

  • SolitarySandpiperSolitarySandpiper Posts: 566

    Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    SolitarySandpiper said:

    Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

    Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670
    edited November 2022

    edit: nevermind, i misunderstood your post.  so tired during this pandemic.  i just leave the paramater for nipples set to 0% most of the time.  Problem solved.  yes

    Post edited by starionwolf on
  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586

    Oso3D said:

    Also depends on the ethnic mix where you are.

    Now that it's finally out, I wanted to show my corgi mouth... no HD. The entire corgi? No HD. (Toward the 'you have to have HD to do anything')

    Here's a basic morph for the mouth:

     

    People mistake the fine details you can get from HD for things you absolutely need to have. That's why I'm annoyed by the mandatory inclusion of the character-specific HD in the downloads for the DAZ Originals.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    marble said:

    SolitarySandpiper said:

    Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

    Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

    On G8 it does 

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    PerttiA said:

    marble said:

    SolitarySandpiper said:

    Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

    Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

    On G8 it does 

    Yeah, I had to remind myself that I use the Meipe Headlights product for realism so that's probably why I need to make the morph in the clothing.  

  • SolitarySandpiperSolitarySandpiper Posts: 566

    PerttiA said:

    marble said:

    SolitarySandpiper said:

    Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

    Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

    On G8 it does 

    it does really well on G8 but i'm wondering about G9... i'm doing some testing and of the 5 items i've bought non will conform to a hd nipple... but the free bra that comes with the starter essentials does.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    marble said:

    PerttiA said:

    marble said:

    SolitarySandpiper said:

    Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

    Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

    On G8 it does 

    Yeah, I had to remind myself that I use the Meipe Headlights product for realism so that's probably why I need to make the morph in the clothing.  

    'Joys' of having to use geografts... 

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586

    SolitarySandpiper said:

    PerttiA said:

    marble said:

    SolitarySandpiper said:

    Does clothing no longer conform to the shape of a nipple now that they are a HD morph and not part of the base?

    Did clothing ever conform to nipples? I almost always make a morph for that.

    On G8 it does 

    it does really well on G8 but i'm wondering about G9... i'm doing some testing and of the 5 items i've bought non will conform to a hd nipple... but the free bra that comes with the starter essentials does.

    Check the smoothing parameters on thses clothing items; you should be able to get them to conform.

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