Daz Dog 8 -- Pitbull is not a breed
evilded777
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Yeah, yeah... its late to complain, but "pitbull" is not a thing and this morph and texture should never have been called that. The product name of Bully is a little better, but not by much.
If you meant it to be an American Pitbull Terrier or an American Staffordshire Terrier (which... its not that last), you should have called it that. But "pitbull" is not a breed, it's a slur.
How do I unbend its ears so it can look more like an Am Staff? As a recognized breed of dogs, commonly slurred as "pitbull", the Am Staff's ears mostly stand straight up and while they may flop a little... they are one of the breed's most characteristic features and are quite often highly expressive.
If you think of calling me a 'nutter' in your reply... you might want to think again before you do.
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Moved to the Commins as it is not a Daz Studio topic.
Actually, pitbull is a phenotype. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160292/
"...dogs are considered “pit bull type” if they meet a substantial number of 15 physical features outlined by the DEFRA and copied directly from a 1977 issue of the American periodical Pit Bull Gazette".
Besides, the Dog 8 also has a "Varg" breed, a Griffin and a Pooka, which, to my knowledge, are also no proper breeds. And the DAZ Horse 2 even has "Unicorn" as a breed. Just sayin'.
You realize the article you refer to just kind of reinforces my point. It discusses (I've actually read it before) the difficulty in identifying a dog based on visual characteristics and how often such characterizations are wrong. Which leads to the mis-characterization of "pitbull attacks" in the media, which really should just be "dog bites".
"Our findings indicate a lack of consensus, both between and within the United States and United Kingdom, about what constitutes a pit bull terrier. This conclusion echoes the general complexity and disagreement about dog breed identification found in previously published literature...."
As someone who has owned pitbulls and known a lot of other folks who own pitbull and pitbull rescue etc etc, it is a surprise to me and would be a surprise to all of them to hear the notion that the term 'pitbull' is offensive.
I mean, it's used in a lot of nonsense ways, absolutely.
Tirade:
The hysteria about pitbulls in the US is bizarre. As OP mentions, 'pitbull' isn't even a breed, it's a vague description of a bunch of vaguely similar breeds.
The breeds most often labeled 'pitbull' are generally rated highly be organizations for their interactions with humans.
American Kennel Club rates:
American Staffordshire Terrier: Affection with family 5/5, Good with other dogs 3/5, Good with young children 3/5
American Bulldog: Affection with family 0/5, Good with other dogs 3/5, Good with young children 3/5
Staffordshire Bull Terrier: Affection with family 5/5, Good with other dogs 3/5, Good with young children 5/5
Myths:
Locking jaws: no, this is not a thing. Dogs with large jaws, lots of energy, and lack of training will bite and hold on, that's how dogs fight and attack. Hunting dogs are particularly bred to have a loose bite so they don't shred stuff they retrieve.
Pit breeding: even if you assume a bunch of traits bred for pit fighting, pit fighting dogs are trained to obey humans, and not to attack humans. The last thing you'd want in a pit fighting dog is refusing to stop on commands and attacking all the humans around the ring. (As an aside, pit fighting is a f* obscenity)
Police reports: A lot of HOA/local ordinances restricting breeds are justified from the above myths along with 'statistics' about dog attacks. The problem is these statistics are largely based on police reports. Police are not trained to identify dog breeds and accurately listing a dog breed is not at all a priority when filling out a report. Generally, light colored dogs will just be written out as 'pitbull' and dark colored dogs will be noted as 'rottweiler.' I've seen examples of... labrador retrievers being listed as pitbulls or rottweilers.
That's no shade on police, it's just not remotely a concern vs. identifying who owns the dog and is responsible.
The problem is, then, that these reports are then used to justify a bunch of mythical descriptions of dog breeds.
So, to sum up:
I agree that it's HORRIBLE how breeds are demonized and stupid kneejerk ordinances and legislation is enacted all over the country.
People who like staffies and others are... generally not at all offended by the term 'pitbull.'
(Addendum: leash laws and similar should ABSOLUTELY be enforced. I'm in a suburb and there are many dogs that often go off-leash and it's screamingly frustrating, particularly when we try to walk our dog who is easily freaked out by other dogs. I don't care if Poofy is small and nice, you are causing us grief. Also, what about people who might have a deep fear of dogs? People, manage your freakin dogs)
Umm... it's also a breed. https://www.google.com/search?q=American pit bull
Edit: Often referred to as American Bully.
Perhaps not, but if you look at one, it's clearly the reference for the product. As for the ears, you might want to start with the base and use the shaping to adjust instead of a full body morph. Another product you might look at is the K92020, but for the full body not pitbulls in the store, it looks like cropped is the only option for the ears pointing up.
Now you confused me. Is there a pitbull or not?
I agree with the OP. I am a HUGE dog lover who also owns cats. I have owned several 'Pitbulls', German Sheppards Yorkies Maltesse Shih Tzus and Rescues. So Pitbull is sort of like the word rescue. It truly does not reflect the breed. Currently I only own 4-10 pound dogs but my last Staffordshire Terrier was the best dog I ever had. Pit Bull is indeed a derogatory slang term that refers to dogs used to attack bulls tethered in an enclosure (pit area). Many things that historically occurred in the past are now illegal, but the term lives on, even though dogs lives matter and the sport has been banned. Muscular dogs of all breeds were bred and trained to participate in this cruel sport. The dogs referred to as pitbulls could be any breed such as a Husky, trained (cruelly) to bait a bull, not naturally inclined to do this. American Pit Bull, American Staffordshire Terrier, Stafforshire Bull Terrier and American Bully all have been labeled as Pit Bulls because often they were abused for the sport of confronting a bull. I have owned several pitbulls. The American Staffordshire Terrier refered to as the Nanny dog literally loves and protects children. Mine, despited being abused by my grand-children and my 4 lb Yorkies, never was provoked. A dog is like a child. They become what you raise them to be. The pprofiling of the breeds is wrong. I liken it to the aftermath of 911. There was a wave of stereo-typing that was so wrong. It really is not fair to label a group in a derogatory fashion. Not all dogs are serial killers. Although I think one of our cats is contemplating such thoughts. When cats are scared they claw hiss and bite. And, when dogs feel threatened they growl and bite. Fear is the motivator. Fear makes us fight, flee, or hide and dogs are no different. If there is a bully in my house it is the 4 Yorkie. Bullies come in all sizes and shapes and most of them are not 'Pit Bulls' or any other four legged animal.
No, not really. There are a LOT of ear movement sliders that kinda sorta unbend it a little, and the ear itself has three bones for movement, but no matter what, there seems to be at least some bend at the top of the ear that can't be made to go away.
well, in the promo pic, it shows bent and straight ears, so there must be an adjustment somewhere. Yes --- choose HEAD, then SHAPING tab -- there is slider for Pitbull cropped ears
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Exactly which dog breed is on the restricted list varies by company and state. The most common dog breeds typically include species in the pit bull (misconception) family, plus other large breeds like Dobermans, Rottweilers, and wolf hybrids. This also includes other mixed breed dogs, like a German shepherd mix.
This is a good list. I have an insurance degree scroll down to from the publisher. Dog breeds do affects your insurance particularly the breeds AgitatedRiot mentioned. Not all insurers discriminate by breed. BUT . . . If you fail to disclose the breed your insurance could be found to be null and void in the event of any claim be it fire or vandelism etc. And that sucks especially if you adopted the breed after the insurance policy was activated. If your insurer became aware of the breed housed, and it was on their restricted list, they could cancel your homeowners policy even in the middle of a unrelated claim. Meaning they deny insurance to owners of certain breeds.Farmers (not my insurance company) and a few others, do not descrimate against canines and follows through with claims despite the breed you adopt as a family member. Some insurance companies love to find excuses to deny a claim and I have successfully sued and won two who tried that ploy. Be aware that you your insurance protects you unless they find something that excludes you from protection . . . hence the fine print. What the big print giveth the fine print taketh away.
This discussion has gotten heated at times. Just keep it civil.
It seems one objective of the OP was to get solutions for the ears. Unfortunately, the discussion started and surrounded the question with matters other than the ears, so it is easy to see how the focus didn't land on the ears. It would be a good idea to make the question on the ears, if that was the prime objective, be not only the lead, but perhaps leave off the other parts of the discussion so it's more assured getting the solution sought will be the result.
Just in support of the OP.. As a retired veterinarian who has examined and treated MANY "pit pull" and "bully" breeds I can attest that these dogs have gotten an unfair rap. The vast majority I've dealt with have been easy going with a friendly temprament.
The problem is NOT the dog. It's the people who own and breed them. It is rare to find a dog that is just "born bad". But people can easily make a dog bad through bad breeding and lack of proper training/socialization. One of the worse big dog attacks I had was from a golden retriever. The dog gave of NO warning body language but the minute I came near it lunged, knocked me down and tried to go for my throat!
I can honestly say that I have WAY more scars from the smaller lap breeds ( AKA "Canine alligators" or "land sharks") than from any pittie, dobie, german sheherd or rottie. Those small dogs are often spoiled rotten with no training or boundaries.
BTW: I'm also a long term cat slave having been owned by several over the years. Never forget that "the Egyptians worshipped cats as Gods and cats have never forgotten it"
Thread trimmed of various unhelpful comments and comments adressing posters, and closed.
The naming issue would really need to be taken up with Daz - changing the property names would probably not be possible at this date. The ears question, if still open, could be addressed in a new thread.