Daz 3d Merch

Cybersox

Wonderland said:

Cybersox said:

Dartanbeck said:

Cybersox said:

I still have two of the old T-shirts, one with Aiko 3 and the other with Hiro 3, that I picked up at a convention back in the V3 days.  That was the original DAZ management, of course, and I'm surprised that they were at a convention somewhere, as the last time I'd seen a DAZ booth was back in 2012, I think, and it was manned by PAs instead of DAZ staffers. 

Daz 3d wasn't there, and it had nothing to do with CG. 

I'm not sure what you meant to say there, but first 1.) I was referencing two different conventions, so I'm not sure which one you're saying wasn't DAZ, and 2.) Both conventions definitiely included GG as part of their focus. The first convention, where I picked up the AIko and Hiro shirts at the DAZ Booth, was AnimeExpo in 2006 and DAZ corporate was most certainly there as I had a business meeting with Dan Farr, founder and then head of DAZ, where we talked about the upcoming V4 among other things. DAZ's participation with that convention is even specifically referenced in the verbiage for the Aiko 3.0 megabundle -  The second convention I referenced was SIGGRAPH 2012 which is most certainly a CG focused convention, and while DAZ had a booth, it was manned entirely by PAs - there's a thread in the forum covering that event in which Ken Gilliand explained in reference to a photo of DAZ staff at SIGGRAPH 2010 "That was the last year the DAZ brass went, but they did purchase a booth in 2012 before the changing of the guard, and decided not to go.  I, with a small group of SoCal local DAZ PAs, volunteered and ran it that final time.  The new heads of DA did show up, informally there, one day of the show. Besides me, I remember DAZ PAs Ryverthorn, Nerd3D, and Phoenix1966 running the booth."  As it happened, that was one of the rare SIGGRAPHs I've attended (it's dates are usually too close to the dates for the San Diego Comic-Con), but I'd picked up a free pass via Renderosity, so I met most of those PAs as well as someone who I only recall being introduced as the new boss.  
 

I can't remember if it was 2012 or 2013 but Dan Farr WAS at Siggraph (LA) and he got me a pass to get in and showed me the Genesis 1 prototype on his laptop. It still had not been released or shown anywhere at that point and I remember being freaked out that Poser wouldn't be supported anymore. Dan invited me to a group Daz dinner with both staff and PAs. The last day, the Daz staff left early with their signage and the PAs were manning the booths and seemed really disgruntled, I'm guessing about Genesis and Poser. The head of marketing from Poser/Smith Micro put a big Poser sign where the Daz sign had been and everyone found that funny for some reason. The whole thing was very strange.After that I saw Dan Farr on his own walking around at Comic Conventions and now he's doing Salt Lake Comic-Con.;)

That would have had to have been in 2011, as Genesis was introduced in October of that year.  

outrider42

Richard Haseltine said:

They probably can't allow others to use their trademark, as trademarks have ti be actively defended lest they lapse (not an issue with copyright).

The system is so broken it is ridiculous. But it should be possible to simply grant a exception. You just saw a photograph of various Daz logos on a computer. Maybe those came from a legit source, but how do you differentiate between the two? How do you know? If somebody was selling items with logos without permission, that would certainly be wrong, but this is personal use.

It also completely neglects one of the traditions of comicons...bootlegs. You can find and buy any number of completely unlicensed merchandise with things like Batman and Spiderman logos.

Yet these comicons happen every year with zero enforcment of neither trademark or copyright. They are not trying to enforce their trademarks!

So why then does Batman still have his trademark?

Or how a sports fan might paint their house/truck/driveway with their favorite team's logo. People have tattoos of these logos, which by their nature, are reproductions. Are sports teams sueing their fans for using their trademarks merely to extress their fandom?

Just where is this line?

Thus why allowing a user to have a Daz logo on a hat for their own personal use should not be any cause for concern to anybody. And again, I would consider this free marketing, not a form of infringement. If it needs to be done, that is path the Daz legal dept should take. The Daz logo is not Aspirin. But I seriously doubt any court would revoke a trademark because a fan printed a logo for their own personal use. That is absurd.

Richard Haseltine

outrider42 said:

Richard Haseltine said:

They probably can't allow others to use their trademark, as trademarks have ti be actively defended lest they lapse (not an issue with copyright).

The system is so broken it is ridiculous. But it should be possible to simply grant a exception. You just saw a photograph of various Daz logos on a computer. Maybe those came from a legit source, but how do you differentiate between the two? How do you know? If somebody was selling items with logos without permission, that would certainly be wrong, but this is personal use.

It also completely neglects one of the traditions of comicons...bootlegs. You can find and buy any number of completely unlicensed merchandise with things like Batman and Spiderman logos.

I have been told that those associated with the publisher have strict orders to avoid the merchandise areas so that they won't see and have to act on the infringing products. That was low-level gossip rather than official word, but it might well be a way to avoid a PR disaster while maintaining trademarks undiluted.

Yet these comicons happen every year with zero enforcment of neither trademark or copyright. They are not trying to enforce their trademarks!

So why then does Batman still have his trademark?

Or how a sports fan might paint their house/truck/driveway with their favorite team's logo. People have tattoos of these logos, which by their nature, are reproductions. Are sports teams sueing their fans for using their trademarks merely to extress their fandom?

Just where is this line?

Thus why allowing a user to have a Daz logo on a hat for their own personal use should not be any cause for concern to anybody. And again, I would consider this free marketing, not a form of infringement. If it needs to be done, that is path the Daz legal dept should take. The Daz logo is not Aspirin. But I seriously doubt any court would revoke a trademark because a fan printed a logo for their own personal use. That is absurd.