"Medieval Guillotine"? Really?
Ostadan
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Today's 'Capital Punishment' release caused sighing and eye-rolling. Bless me, what DO they teach them in these schools these days?
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What's wrong with it? Personally, it's the first release I've been excited about in over a month as I don't have anything like this.
A few hundred years.
It's not listed as a medieval guillotine. Just guillotine.
A guillotine is just a headsman with an axe, without the headsman. Replaced by automation and a guy with his finger on the button. But yeah, guillotines were probably not goto items in Medieval times (about 400 to 1400AD). Probably still cheaper to just hire a drunk guy with an axe.
HOWEVER: the article below indicates 1280 as the acknowlegement of a guillotine like device.
But the mass production needs of the French found the concept useful in the late 1700s.
https://www.historyextra.com/period/georgian/qa-did-the-french-invent-the-guillotine/
theater usage ... wherever
Although they weren't called guillines there were similar devices such as the Scottish Maiden and the Halifax Gibbet in Medieval times.
https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-guillotine
The construction and the blade were different
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine
Gotcha. Personally that stuff doesn't matter to me if it's not named right, no one looking at a render is going to know what the name is in the daz runtime lol.
It says "for all your medieval criminal need" in description
The first recorded use of the Halifax Guillotine was 1286: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Gibbet Think that's mediaeval.
It wasn't called a Guillotine at the time..
Regards,
Richard
Guillotine was introduced just in time for the members of the Bourbon dynasty being executed with it. Given how it's associated with the French Revolution, it's a weird choice.
Just drop the word "medieval" from the product description because late 1700's most assuredly is not "medieval".
Although it's not an actuall guillotine. It looks like some of its medieval (very rare) forerunners or a made up fantasy thing because the guillotine has a "bench" element where the executed person has to lay down. This one has enough place for someone to lay face down on the platform, but no raised bench.
Not a good depiction of any head chopper, tbh.
But it's a Daz "historical" model, those only rarely make any sense.
how about "Mediaval Style Guillotine" good enough?
I was so impressed at getting an ARTICULATED guillotine, stocks, and gallows for three bucks (Merlin continues to deliver the goods in the Enterables line) that I didn't even stop to nitpick the anachronism ...
Perhaps they meant middlin' evil, meaning moderate or partially evil, until you find something more evil?
There was an automated head remover in Halifax in the England in 1286AD. The cutter still exists, and is not a fevered figment of anyone's imagination, and history records that many people were executed with it over 300 odd years. The cutter was different from the later French one, and it appears Mr Guillotine did visit England in general and Halifax in particular before his invention of a rather more efficient machine.
Regards,
Richard
I think I'd rather prefer something modeled closely after the Halifax or Edinburg choppers in a prop pack where all the other items are Medieval. Although this one is sort of close to the Edinburg one, but it's like a baby's first shrunken down version.
Yeah, well reading this first thing in the morning caused some sighing and eye-rolling too. You could have said "you might think about editing the description of the Capital Punishment product because that type of guillotine wasn't invented for several hundred years after what's considered the 'medieval' period" instead of basically "they don't teach you dumb plebs tenth-century execution techniques in school? For shame!!"
Perhaps we could agree to say that it was from "late medieval"? With nay-sayers being satisfied with "post medieval"? Oh, what the heck, call it a "watermelon slicer"
The Halifax Gibbet
Oh Gilligan's Island they repurposed theirs to open coconuts,
I went and read about the Halifax gibbet earlier today (because this thread is Very Educational). That's an AXE blade on the bottom of that thing. They just fastened a regular old axe blade onto a heavy block of wood. I admire this McGyvering, even if it was used to unpleasant purpose.
I also learned there is a reproduction of it on the site (that's what you see in PerttiA's image above) because it is considered a historic landmark and such.
The reproduction is not functional :P
Actual last time the guillotine was used for an execution: September 10, 1977. Less than 50 years ago.
I suppose some might consider 1977 medieval, but technically I don't think it qualifies.
A real guillotine is a child of science, though. Great physicians and engineers worked at it. The height of the drop, the weight and angle of the blade, how it'll snap the neck even when the blade is blunted from frequent use, how comfortable it could be for the occupant (albeit only briefly).
So much careful thought was given to the art of humane terminantion. Truly, it is a product of the intent most noble, one of the age of Elightement and Science!
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[Robespierre has entered the chat]
Just kidding, PixelSploiting!
Medieval times from around 500AD to 1500AD, the Guillotine with that name and that type of blade was used in France the first time in 1792, at first it was called a 'louisette' but was later named after Joseph-Ignace Guillotin, who had proposed using a special device to carry out executions in France in a more humane manner.
It was also said that the axe on the Halifax gibbet was never sharpened... Beheaded with a blunt axe... Autch
Must have been embarrasing for the hangman. Your sinewy muscular blow, usurped by a block of wood.
But it's better than a drunk guy with an axe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_botched_executions#:~:text=Mary, Queen of Scots (1587,poorly%20due%20to%20being%20distracted.
Ironically, Dr. Guillotin was against the death penalty, per Wikipedia.
Actually, it's original name was "The De-Headifier 2000", but before that it was originally designed to trim ponytails (which were very popular at the time)... Unfortunately it proved to be rather bad at only trimming the hair... after several attempts to reconfigure it they realized it was only good at cutting off heads, at which point they gave it the aforementioned moniker... it was then entered in a state run contest for ethical head removal devices where its virtues shone like a decapitated bald head in the midday sun... while it seems a bit naive now, it was very ethical at the time because the belief was that if you removed a head cleanly, it could grow back more enlightened and less stabby and crimey or what the reason you were chopping off the head in the first place. Sadly, in the entire history of the guillotine hardly any heads grew back, and its unknown if any that did were more enlightened than the original.