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How do I search for Genesis 9 Male clothes?

ArgleSWArgleSW Posts: 144
edited February 4 in The Commons

How does one go about searching for Genesis 9 Male clothes on this site? Either I am extremely stupid or this website is clueless how to run a proper search feature. I hope its just me being stupid and someone can help me out here. 

I tried the following flow: Shop -> Clothes and Accessories -> Clothing -> [Figure] -> [Genesis 9]. Why is there no Male/Female filter the way Genesis 8 and before has? 

I also tried searching "Genesis 9 Males Clothes" in the search bar and that just returns a mix of items all over the place. 

It seriously does not have to be this difficult. A primary goal of an online store should be allowing customers to find products with ease. Often times I search for items through Google which returns better results than the actual Daz website. This has been a problem for years and blows my mind Daz still struggles to figure out a proper search feature. Can't imagine how many artists are losing potential sales because the website is extremely difficult to find specific themed items. 

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  • ValiskaValiska Posts: 85

    Not, strictly, an answer to the question of how to search, but some very good male clothing for Genesis 8 and 9: mal3imagery

  • NinefoldNinefold Posts: 256

    It's because clothes are categorized by figure, and there is no Genesis 9 male figure, just Genesis 9. It would be useful to have gender as a tag or something, though, yeah.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 5,939
    edited February 4

    Eventually, we have all stopped complaining about the SNAFU that is this website and forum, and we just do the best we can with it. The free software works, and the people are looking more and more real.

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  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,343
    It's a problem when you can't find what you came here to spend your money on, I agree. Not wanting to manually scan through a majority of content made for a traditionally feminine presentation to find something is one of the reasons G9 doesn't work for me.
  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,406
    edited February 4

    How was this not an issue during the time of Genesis 1? If it's supposedly impossible to find the right items without explicit gender markers to search, surely this would have been the issue back then too?

    I've not had any issue, but then I rarely use the "male" clothing on a "male" character.

    Post edited by TesseractSpace on
  • ArgleSWArgleSW Posts: 144

    Another example of how broken the search feature is. 

    Search the word "Troll" in the store search bar and you get a total of 1 result for a product from years ago. 

    Now search the word "Trolls" by simply adding an S at the end. Now you get a ton of results. Including items without the letter S in the word Troll. Small example shows how ridicoulsly broken it is. Goes beyond issues filtering by gender. The search breaks by a simple plural. 

    Also the fact that someone mentioned this has been a problem since Genesis 1 only makes this worse. Not only has the technology evolved making a simple feature such as searching text in a database easier than ever, but Daz has continued to allow this problem to persist for years. A competent web developer can solve this problem really fast. If it was an issue since Genesis 1, then Daz really needs to focus on the basics of running an online store. You can't sell products if people can't find them.

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,406

    ArgleSW said:

    Another example of how broken the search feature is. 

    Search the word "Troll" in the store search bar and you get a total of 1 result for a product from years ago. 

    Now search the word "Trolls" by simply adding an S at the end. Now you get a ton of results. Including items without the letter S in the word Troll. Small example shows how ridicoulsly broken it is. Goes beyond issues filtering by gender. The search breaks by a simple plural. 

    Also the fact that someone mentioned this has been a problem since Genesis 1 only makes this worse. Not only has the technology evolved making a simple feature such as searching text in a database easier than ever, but Daz has continued to allow this problem to persist for years. A competent web developer can solve this problem really fast. If it was an issue since Genesis 1, then Daz really needs to focus on the basics of running an online store. You can't sell products if people can't find them.

    Actually I was wondering why nobody was complaining about this during the time of Genesis 1. Different point entirely. 

  • 3Ddreamer3Ddreamer Posts: 1,300

    TesseractSpace said:

    ArgleSW said:

    Another example of how broken the search feature is. 

    Search the word "Troll" in the store search bar and you get a total of 1 result for a product from years ago. 

    Now search the word "Trolls" by simply adding an S at the end. Now you get a ton of results. Including items without the letter S in the word Troll. Small example shows how ridicoulsly broken it is. Goes beyond issues filtering by gender. The search breaks by a simple plural. 

    Also the fact that someone mentioned this has been a problem since Genesis 1 only makes this worse. Not only has the technology evolved making a simple feature such as searching text in a database easier than ever, but Daz has continued to allow this problem to persist for years. A competent web developer can solve this problem really fast. If it was an issue since Genesis 1, then Daz really needs to focus on the basics of running an online store. You can't sell products if people can't find them.

    Actually I was wondering why nobody was complaining about this during the time of Genesis 1. Different point entirely. 

    We did complain during Genesis 1 - nothing changed. And I am sure this comes as no surprise it happened again with Gen9. indecision

  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,489
    edited February 4

    doubtless retagging the existing G9 clothing as masculine/feminine would not be more than 1 hour of work, since there are not that many outfits released on daz store. Getting that new fem/masc filter added to the store would also surely not be more than 1 hour of work for developer.  Seems kind of lazy to offload that responsibility to each and every user to have to go through now 20+ pages of clothing, which will only increase.

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  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,785

    I just find it another reason not to spend any money at DAZ3D. To be honest, I've never done anything satisfying in over 20 years. Now I spend my money on tech gadgets and multimedia instead.

  • ValiskaValiska Posts: 85

    TesseractSpace said:

    Actually I was wondering why nobody was complaining about this during the time of Genesis 1. Different point entirely. 

    In  my day, we walked to school for miles uphill both ways...

    Since Genesis 1, the store has actually improved. If you want to see characters, you can click 'Characters' on the top menu bar and get characters. When I first looked at Daz, and for years thereafter, looking for Characters always got you all of their associated clothing. It was maddening.

    Genesis 1 was current when I started. Two things about male clothing for Genesis 1:

    • Genesis 1 could wear Michael 4 and V4 clothing. Millennium 4 figures had had a very long run. So you could find M4 clothing separated from V4 clothing, and put it on Genesis 1 male.
    • Genesis 1 unisex base was shaped like a teenage boy and shy of chest geometry. Unisex-designed clothing for Genesis 1 usually fit Genesis 1 male better than Genesis 1 female, who would see stretching at the bust. This is part of the reason for the design of Genesis 9, which has problems the other way. 

     I was tolerably happy with the clothing, therefore (though I had difficulty finding the right kind of characters) ... till fairly quickly Daz switched to Genesis 2 and I discovered that the usual split was:

    • male clothing in small amounts, but it's often reasonable, though only occasionally historically accurate;
    • female .... er ... clothing ... by the containership, but if the women are out adventuring with the men, the men will be dressed in full coverage cloth, combat boots, and body armor. The women will be in bikini bottoms and spike heels, with metal armor bras but bare midriffs.

    At which point I gave up on Daz for a few years. I'm obviously not the market. It couldn't serve my purposes.

    I'm really only back because I eventually realized that Genesis 3/8/8.1 shared enough clothing, and lasted long enough, to produce results such as prevailed after the long run of Millennium 4: there was enough male clothing, and enough credible female clothing, so it was worth painstakingly sorting through the female skimpwear to find men's and women's clothing I could use.

    The store is still not set up to deal with the existence of two market segments. At this point I suspect it probably never will be, for reasons that drift too far off topic.

  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,343
    I may be misremembering, but I thought you could filter clothing on Victoria 5 and Michael 5.
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