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  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,486

    Sorry, in DIM

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,969

    anaximanes_2000 said:

    crosswind said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    crosswind said:

    I suppose each time CPA generates GUID when it packs the file as IM package... so DIM could install the packages for times. But some issues can result in the failure of writing metadata to cms.. for intance, when installing first 3 packages, DIM lost cms connection. You can check the line items in DIM - Installed tab, if the database icons on the first 3 items are light grey, it means no metadata have been written to cms...

    The GUID is genrated by the store and should not be changed without good reason (e.g. if it wasn't U(nique) but was double-assigned).

    AFAIK, GUID can be generated (uniquely) by users with Content DB Editor. I use Content Wizard to install 3rd-party products. Content Wizard can also generate it.

    Ok so I looked and I have owned COntent Wizard since apparently March of 2023.  Hopefully it will be easy for me to learn, (and as fast as Content Package Assist).  You say it can add third party things to my Smart Content and I already paid for it, so let me ask you this, have you ever had to reformat or migrate all your Daz stuff to a new computer?  Did all your thrid party stuff you used Content Wizard for still load right up in SMart Content?

     

    EDIT: Can THAT thing be used to fix all my already hundreds of installed, Smart Content busted, 3rd party stuff?

    It is easy to use Content Wizard...You can directly install products with it or generate IM package with it and install with DIM.

    As for migration, of  course, three times since I started using DS from 2018. But before first two times' migration, I could only install 3rd-party products to Smart Content by using DS standart function of "Create a Product from..." 'cause there was no Cotent Wizard at that time...

    In the 1st time migration, I used the way of "re-import...", I lost quite a lot of metadata especially the customized data. In the 2nd and 3rd migrations, I used the way of migrating cms database, quick, neat and all correct. Of course, the metadata of thousands of 3rd-party products were all installed and fed by Content Wizard.

    However, as for the issue you have, it won't help... I'm afraid that you have to re-install the products or manually modify the metadata... As I said before, if you have old cms database, this problem can be settled within minutes...

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,888

    crosswind said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    crosswind said:

    I suppose each time CPA generates GUID when it packs the file as IM package... so DIM could install the packages for times. But some issues can result in the failure of writing metadata to cms.. for intance, when installing first 3 packages, DIM lost cms connection. You can check the line items in DIM - Installed tab, if the database icons on the first 3 items are light grey, it means no metadata have been written to cms...

    The GUID is genrated by the store and should not be changed without good reason (e.g. if it wasn't U(nique) but was double-assigned).

    AFAIK, GUID can be generated (uniquely) by users with Content DB Editor. I use Content Wizard to install 3rd-party products. Content Wizard can also generate it.

    Can is not the same as should. Once a product has a GUID that should not be chnaged - if it doesn't then one may use the option to generate one.

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/tech_articles/metadata/start
    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/install_manager/referenceguide/tech_articles/install_manifest/start

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,969
    edited April 25

    Richard Haseltine said:

    crosswind said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    crosswind said:

    I suppose each time CPA generates GUID when it packs the file as IM package... so DIM could install the packages for times. But some issues can result in the failure of writing metadata to cms.. for intance, when installing first 3 packages, DIM lost cms connection. You can check the line items in DIM - Installed tab, if the database icons on the first 3 items are light grey, it means no metadata have been written to cms...

    The GUID is genrated by the store and should not be changed without good reason (e.g. if it wasn't U(nique) but was double-assigned).

    AFAIK, GUID can be generated (uniquely) by users with Content DB Editor. I use Content Wizard to install 3rd-party products. Content Wizard can also generate it.

    Can is not the same as should. Once a product has a GUID that should not be chnaged - if it doesn't then one may use the option to generate one.

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/referenceguide/tech_articles/metadata/start
    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/install_manager/referenceguide/tech_articles/install_manifest/start

    Right ~

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  • anaximanes_2000anaximanes_2000 Posts: 343

    crosswind said:

    anaximanes_2000 said:

    crosswind said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    crosswind said:

    I suppose each time CPA generates GUID when it packs the file as IM package... so DIM could install the packages for times. But some issues can result in the failure of writing metadata to cms.. for intance, when installing first 3 packages, DIM lost cms connection. You can check the line items in DIM - Installed tab, if the database icons on the first 3 items are light grey, it means no metadata have been written to cms...

    The GUID is genrated by the store and should not be changed without good reason (e.g. if it wasn't U(nique) but was double-assigned).

    AFAIK, GUID can be generated (uniquely) by users with Content DB Editor. I use Content Wizard to install 3rd-party products. Content Wizard can also generate it.

    Ok so I looked and I have owned COntent Wizard since apparently March of 2023.  Hopefully it will be easy for me to learn, (and as fast as Content Package Assist).  You say it can add third party things to my Smart Content and I already paid for it, so let me ask you this, have you ever had to reformat or migrate all your Daz stuff to a new computer?  Did all your thrid party stuff you used Content Wizard for still load right up in SMart Content?

     

    EDIT: Can THAT thing be used to fix all my already hundreds of installed, Smart Content busted, 3rd party stuff?

    It is easy to use Content Wizard...You can directly install products with it or generate IM package with it and install with DIM.

    As for migration, of  course, three times since I started using DS from 2018. But before first two times' migration, I could only install 3rd-party products to Smart Content by using DS standart function of "Create a Product from..." 'cause there was no Cotent Wizard at that time...

    In the 1st time migration, I used the way of "re-import...", I lost quite a lot of metadata especially the customized data. In the 2nd and 3rd migrations, I used the way of migrating cms database, quick, neat and all correct. Of course, the metadata of thousands of 3rd-party products were all installed and fed by Content Wizard.

    However, as for the issue you have, it won't help... I'm afraid that you have to re-install the products or manually modify the metadata... As I said before, if you have old cms database, this problem can be settled within minutes...

    Two things, please!  First off, because I have been trying to jump around and so all this, can you refresh my memory of the default storage path for the "cms database" just so I can double check.

    And secondly, as far as the Content Wizard thing, do you have a good YouTube video that explains step by step how to install 3rd Part SMart Content?  Thanks again!

  • anaximanes_2000anaximanes_2000 Posts: 343

    Oh, actually, I had some time and looked into it @crosswind.  I found both, and yeah, ok I added tio my notes that before the next computer migration to back up the Daz folder in C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming.

    I am watchign Riversoft's video and this looks easy enough for even my simple brain to handle, but I do have one last question before I leave you and North and Richard alone... UNTIL NEXT TIME!  MWA HA HA HA!  But anyway, the Product ID?  The CPA thing auto created these for any product I chucked into it.  This one doesn't and RIversoft does not mention how to make one up.  I am testing a product from a website and I looked all over the store page but it says no product ID.  Do I use an online random number generator?  This seems to be the only thing that has me stumped.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,969

    anaximanes_2000 said:

    Oh, actually, I had some time and looked into it @crosswind.  I found both, and yeah, ok I added tio my notes that before the next computer migration to back up the Daz folder in C:\Users\Owner\AppData\Roaming.

    I am watchign Riversoft's video and this looks easy enough for even my simple brain to handle, but I do have one last question before I leave you and North and Richard alone... UNTIL NEXT TIME!  MWA HA HA HA!  But anyway, the Product ID?  The CPA thing auto created these for any product I chucked into it.  This one doesn't and RIversoft does not mention how to make one up.  I am testing a product from a website and I looked all over the store page but it says no product ID.  Do I use an online random number generator?  This seems to be the only thing that has me stumped.

    Yep, that's it, the path.

    As for Product ID, it's a Token in cms, aka: SKU number of a DAZ3D store product. You'll find it on the product page.

    For a 3rd-party product, check the product page on the 3rd party site. For instance, a product from Rendo, the SKU info. is in the URL of the product, six digits. But some sites give no SKU number, like Renderhub. So you can manually enter the Product ID. I usually name it as Vendor Name + Product key Word.

    I strongly suggest you enter the correct SKU as long as there is... as the Product ID. Then it'll be easier to filter / mangage the product in Smart Content.

  • anaximanes_2000anaximanes_2000 Posts: 343

    Ok yeah this file was on Renderhub, and I could not locate a number anywhere.  So, I can put letters instead, then.  Ok, will do, thanks for the help!

  • anaximanes_2000anaximanes_2000 Posts: 343
    edited June 1

    @crosswind - OH MAN lol Ok, so I could never get these working and decided, ok, I'll bite the bullet and use Content Wizard. I tried doing 10 installs from a certain site, so I cannot show pics. I filled in the info each time, clicked Analyze. It did it.  Then I would click Install Smart Content.  Then click New Product and continue... but as you can see from the attached- I now have the OPPOSITE problem! lol All the thumbnails are there, but in Smart Content when I go into them- I get the attached thing, a square.  God I hope there is an AI for this stuff someday so I don't lose so much money in wasted time with Daz.  Anyway, any idea for this Content Wizard that you use?  When I tell it to Analyze, all the right files are there with checks.

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  • anaximanes_2000anaximanes_2000 Posts: 343

    Ok, so I found the log thing and even though it says installation was successful near the top i see it says the attached.  So, to be certain, I "Re-Zipped" the file, closed my browsers and everything but Daz.  Tried again and it still says the same thing and has the thumbnail with no files.  So, at a loss her.

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  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,969

    Oh... good, you chose wisely ! I'm an advanced user of Content Wizard which has never failed me... thouhg the author won't give it any update AFAIK ...

    In addition to learning from Riversoft Art's PDF and video tutorial on youtube, pls refer to some key points as below:

    1. It's rarely to see corrupted ZIP file but you did it correctly: just unzip then rezip the ZIP file.

    2. All folders of user-facing files (People, Environments, Props, Shaders, yaya yada) and data and runtime folder should be placed in the root directory, like ss1.

    3. Installation Options: configure it as per ss2

    4. Product Page: check ss3

    5. Table View page after Analyze...: check ss4

    6. After Install Content and Install Smart Content, you can Extract an ZIP file as IM installaton package, keep them well. You also can further install IM package via DIM. Then the product can be uninstalled via DIM when you don't need it.

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  • anaximanes_2000anaximanes_2000 Posts: 343

    AH HA!  Thank you for this.  I was going through all your stuff here and it all seemed right.  I had watched the tutorial twice- BUT- I figured out that i have to say Install product AND THEN Install Smart Content like you said there on #6!  Totally missed that!  I was hyperfocused on Smart Content and not seeing that I have to do the other thing first.  And it works now (but oddly at the start of every one of them on the log is still says FAILED, and everything fits what you suggest here).  However, it is working now and while more time consuming at least I can see thumbails and it even puts them into the proper things like props, materials, and such.  Thanks again for all your help!

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,969
    edited June 2

    Yeah, nice !  Installation with Content Wizard does take some time, but if you're a bit patient now, you'll much happier in the future ~yes

    As for the log, Clear it firstly, then retry. It should be okay. Any issue, pls feel free to let me know ! Happy rendering !

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  • Andrew_CAndrew_C Posts: 105

    Does Content Wizard create DIMs or does it handle the install process, because the product page is a bit vague about how it actually does it

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,969

    Content Wizard can create IM package (ZIP) as long as you finish Install Smart Content with it... and it uses a Script file for the user to drag to DS window to automatically install the product.

    But we recommend installing the IM package it generates via DIM as DIM can create manifest files... then you can freely uninstall the 3rd-party products via DIM 'cause Content Wizard per se is not able to uninstall products ~~

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