[Solved] Is the Install Manager already mandatory?

edited March 2013 in The Commons

I ask this because I noticed that I was missing the anime textures for Aiko 4, so I reset the download of the file ps_pe073_Aiko4TexturesDS.exe and downloaded it, but it's not working: every time just shows an empty window...

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Solved! Was a Win8 issue...

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  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,902
    edited December 1969

    Try downloading it manually from your account instead of using the DIM

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    The DIM cannot use EXE files, so no, it is not mandatory, far from it.

    If your install file doesn't work, then it is most likely a corrupt download. Try clearing your Browser cache, and re-downloading it.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    I am still downloading all my new purchases and also resets of old content with out having DIM installed even. So there should not be a problem.

  • edited December 1969

    I believe the download is corrupted too, but no matters how many times I download it again, it still doesn't work:(

    I will try to reset it again the next week:(

  • ServantServant Posts: 759
    edited December 1969

    If it's still a consistent problem by Monday, try sending a support ticket, as it might be a technical issue from the database's end.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited December 1969

    DId you remember to clear your browser cance between download attempts.

    If you don't clear the data from the cache then downloads will continue to fail at around the same point as the first corrupted one did.

  • edited December 1969

    I did it, and nothing changed:(

    I will wait...

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,504
    edited December 1969

    Somehow I keep getting this picture of piling stools on chairs on tables to change the ceiling lightbulb and wondering why I fell. 8-s

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    I am still downloading all my new purchases and also resets of old content with out having DIM installed even. So there should not be a problem.

    I'm the same, though it hasn't escaped my notice that they've removed the direct link to your downloads after purchasing. Is this their subtle way of prompting us all to move to the DIM instead of manual downloads?
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited March 2013

    I don't know, but I keep telling my colleagues on the forum team that by not using DIM I am operating a control. It's my excuse and I am sticking with it. So when we get a query like this I am the one who can say "well it works for me" or "OK that doesn't work for me either" whatever the case may be.

    It is of course nothing to do with me having a very well organised runtime structure containing umpteen runtimes organised exactly the way I want them, which has taken me several years to build up, and not wanting to risk mucking it up.

    :coolsmirk:

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  • BejaymacBejaymac Posts: 1,886
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    It is of course nothing to do with me having a very well organised runtime structure containing umpteen runtimes organised exactly the way I want them, which has taken me several years to build up, and not wanting to risk mucking it up.

    Ditto ;)
  • kiwi_ggkiwi_gg Posts: 198
    edited December 1969

    Some time ago I was having trouble with corrupt downloads from Daz using Internet explorer and even though I did not really want to install anything more on my aging computer I installed Firefox and have not had a problem since. I must say that the download issue appears to be confined to Daz and only since the move to the new site and Zip files as I've never had problems downloading from other sites using IE regardless of how full the cache is.

    Cheers
    GG

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    I don't know, but I keep telling my colleagues on the forum team that by not using DIM I am operating a control. It's my excuse and I am sticking with it. So when we get a query like this I am the one who can say "well it works for me" or "OK that doesn't work for me either" whatever the case may be.

    It is of course nothing to do with me having a very well organised runtime structure containing umpteen runtimes organised exactly the way I want them, which has taken me several years to build up, and not wanting to risk mucking it up.

    :coolsmirk:

    I KNOW RIGHT


    I'm not using it either, and I've had no problems. It does occasionally happen that a download will not properly finish in Firefox and I have to do it in Chrome, but that was a thing that would happen before DIM ever existed. My new faster connection seems to have it less.

  • Consumer573Consumer573 Posts: 282
    edited March 2013

    Slightly different issue, similar area.

    I cannot reset expired items. Or, rather I should say I cannot find them reasonably well. I have enough items that 10 at a time is not a practical option. There is no pulldown for 50 like they say. Or, I shou8ld say, sometimes its there and sometimes its not, because I have seen it, though its not there now. I'm using XP. Is anybody else having this problem?

    The only thing that saved me last August was Taozen. I was able to bypass DAZ and go to a third party. ButTaozen makes you re-download it periodically and his latest version is giving me an error.

    As of the moment I'm kind of dead in the water.

    Somebody had some tricks for moving up and down without clicking on the 10 at a time thing?


    This is probably the worst part of the new Daz website for me. I'm not keen on having a Daz Manager, either.

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    Anybody seen Renderosity? They make it easy in this area. None of this manager nonsense and painful reset process.

    If Daz were to have a simple query before they started: Mac/PC, Poser/DAz Studio and maybe a toggle for those who are not using Genesis or only want Genesis then just bring up the items related to that category for download you wouldn't need to add software such as a manager to your machine. Daz's earlier system had something like this in the past, I always had the mac stuff turned off and it reduced what I needed to look at by half easily. They're overthinking it with the manager, IMHO or IMAO.

    And this general philosophy of seeing 10 items at a time, or 15 (with a pull down to see only up to 60 or 64) Why is that? Fewer and fewer people have dial-up so it may be just a DAz server issue. If that is the case maybe they should look into contracting with Amazon services to match their peak loads.

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  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969

    Slightly different issue, similar area.

    I cannot reset expired items. Or, rather I should say I cannot find them reasonably well. I have enough items that 10 at a time is not a practical option. There is no pulldown for 50 like they say. Or, I shou8ld say, sometimes its there and sometimes its not, because I have seen it, though its not there now. I'm using XP. Is anybody else having this problem?

    The only thing that saved me last August was Taozen. I was able to bypass DAZ and go to a third party. ButTaozen makes you re-download it periodically and his latest version is giving me an error.

    As of the moment I'm kind of dead in the water.

    Somebody had some tricks for moving up and down without clicking on the 10 at a time thing?


    This is probably the worst part of the new Daz website for me. I'm not keen on having a Daz Manager, either.

    .
    .
    .

    Anybody seen Renderosity? They make it easy in this area. None of this manager nonsense and painful reset process.

    If Daz were to have a simple query before they started: Mac/PC, Poser/DAz Studio and maybe a toggle for those who are not using Genesis or only want Genesis then just bring up the items related to that category for download you wouldn't need to add software such as a manager to your machine. Daz's earlier system had something like this in the past, I always had the mac stuff turned off and it reduced what I needed to look at by half easily. They're overthinking it with the manager.

    And this general philosophy of seeing 10 items at a time, or 15 (with a pull down to see only up to 60 or 64) Why is that? Fewer and fewer people have dial-up so it may be just a DAz server issue. If that is the case maybe they should look into contracting with Amazon services to match their peak loads.


    So, you don't have this little dropdown box on your itemized order history...?
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  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    There was a point where you could at least choose to view PC only or Mac only in your Downloadable Products, thus reducing by 50% the amount of files a given person need sort through (unless they were that rare PC/Mac hybrid superuser). It went away with the big upgrade and I keep waiting for it to come back. I hope DIM is not the only answer to this because I like my content structure fine the way it is, thanks.

  • Consumer573Consumer573 Posts: 282
    edited December 1969

    There is a 10 there, but its a dead item. Nothing pulls down.

  • Herald of FireHerald of Fire Posts: 3,504
    edited December 1969


    There is a 10 there, but its a dead item. Nothing pulls down.

    Works fine for me. Have you tried using a different browser? Perhaps something in your settings is causing problems with the page.
  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    There was a point where you could at least choose to view PC only or Mac only in your Downloadable Products, thus reducing by 50% the amount of files a given person need sort through (unless they were that rare PC/Mac hybrid superuser). It went away with the big upgrade and I keep waiting for it to come back. I hope DIM is not the only answer to this because I like my content structure fine the way it is, thanks.

    You could just download with DIM and not use it to install, or install to a dummy folder and then reorganize and move to your real content folders.

    When the My Downloadable Products page switches to zips also, you won't have that PC/Mac problem.

  • SickleYieldSickleYield Posts: 7,634
    edited December 1969

    There was a point where you could at least choose to view PC only or Mac only in your Downloadable Products, thus reducing by 50% the amount of files a given person need sort through (unless they were that rare PC/Mac hybrid superuser). It went away with the big upgrade and I keep waiting for it to come back. I hope DIM is not the only answer to this because I like my content structure fine the way it is, thanks.

    You could just download with DIM and not use it to install, or install to a dummy folder and then reorganize and move to your real content folders.

    When the My Downloadable Products page switches to zips also, you won't have that PC/Mac problem.

    I could, but why?


    True, I'm missing an occasional update. The trouble is that it's very difficult to track the value of those updates when 1. none of them indicates what they do and 2. as far as I know, the products they're for already work fine. Does DIM only send me the DS4.5 updates? Because there's not much point bothering with it if it also asks me to redownload every time the DS3 legacy version is tweaked for a rigging problem that doesn't exist in the later version, or when a vendor goes back and adds a DSON update that I'll never use.


    To me it still sounds like a trade of full control over my systems for a form of convenience that doesn't work with my process.

  • Consumer573Consumer573 Posts: 282
    edited March 2013


    There is a 10 there, but its a dead item. Nothing pulls down.

    Works fine for me. Have you tried using a different browser? Perhaps something in your settings is causing problems with the page.

    That was one of my thoughts. But I'm running XP out here, everything is stable, I'm using Firefox and so far this is the only time I've seen an issue. If I hadn't bought so much stuff over the years it probably wouldn't matter and I'd just grunt through 10 at a time. As it is, I rarely need to reset items (the last time was August 2012), though I did ask if someone at Daz could do it for me (no).

    I've basically decided to mentally chalk it up to a minor recurring Daz website problem that happened to hit me and let it go unless there is an easy answer (eg. Last time somebody I thought had a trick for typing in a page or somehow bypassing the "10" and "50" issue completely).

    I just don't need the items that badly to delve into my system to figure out why something on the Daz site that I rarely use isn't working right. I can do without for now. So far, I'm not having any download corruption problems that I know of, (like the other fellow in this thread) and that is far worse than not being able to access one or two items periodically for reset.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,753
    edited December 1969

    There was a point where you could at least choose to view PC only or Mac only in your Downloadable Products, thus reducing by 50% the amount of files a given person need sort through (unless they were that rare PC/Mac hybrid superuser). It went away with the big upgrade and I keep waiting for it to come back. I hope DIM is not the only answer to this because I like my content structure fine the way it is, thanks.

    You could just download with DIM and not use it to install, or install to a dummy folder and then reorganize and move to your real content folders.

    When the My Downloadable Products page switches to zips also, you won't have that PC/Mac problem.

    I could, but why?


    True, I'm missing an occasional update. The trouble is that it's very difficult to track the value of those updates when 1. none of them indicates what they do and 2. as far as I know, the products they're for already work fine. Does DIM only send me the DS4.5 updates? Because there's not much point bothering with it if it also asks me to redownload every time the DS3 legacy version is tweaked for a rigging problem that doesn't exist in the later version, or when a vendor goes back and adds a DSON update that I'll never use.


    To me it still sounds like a trade of full control over my systems for a form of convenience that doesn't work with my process.

    The updates are marked for any version of the zip that is different on the server from the version on, or installed from on, your machine.

    You don't really give up any control - point the DIM to your usual empty organising folder, the one you point installers to, and then either click the Install button for a single product or check several products and click the process queue button - either way you are spared all of the additional clicks from an installer, and then you just organise the files exactly as you would the files from a regular installer.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...for me the DIM is a totally useless as the Workstation does not have a permanent connection to the Net (by design) to keep it a lean mean rendering machine. I basically DL with the notebook and then transfer the .zips/.exes via flash drive for installation so having them already "extracted" in the process would be of little use

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,144
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...for me the DIM is a totally useless as the Workstation does not have a permanent connection to the Net (by design) to keep it a lean mean rendering machine. I basically DL with the notebook and then transfer the .zips/.exes via flash drive for installation so having them already "extracted" in the process would be of little use

    I download on my laptop with DIM and copy the download directory to my workstation.

    Then I use DIM on the laptop to 'install' to a dummy directory - and delete the contents of the dummy directory. (I select 'Delete Installer after Installation')

    Net result - DIM on the laptop can tell me about updates to downloaded files and knows what I've downloaded. With 3424 files 'installed' I'm using 46.1 MB of my disk space for the manifest files. (With XP these are stored at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\DAZ 3D\InstallManager\ManiifestFiles).

    You then have the option of using DIM to do the installs on your workstation (select 'Work Offline' and use the directory you've copied to as the 'download' directory) - or just use your favorite tool to unzip the files and manually install to your heart's content.

  • SuperdogSuperdog Posts: 765
    edited March 2013

    I don't like DIM at all. I much preferred DAZ History Manager because I could see all the products I owned. Alas it no longer exists. What I would like is a history manager that will display a thumbnail image of each product I own. I just don't need an app that installs products for me. I download all my files in case I need to reinstall them and either DAZ site is down or I no longer have an internet connection for some reason.

    Also, if there is going to be a download app it would be great if it could distinguish between different versions of DAZ Studio so that only PC files compatible with DS 4.5 were visible for example. It would be much easier to keep track of the right files to install then. DIM seems so basic and not very reliable. I just don't trust its accuracy.

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  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,144
    edited December 1969

    Superdog said:
    I don't like DIM at all. I much preferred DAZ History Manager because I could see all the products I owned. Alas it no longer exists. What I would like is a history manager that will display a thumbnail image of each product I own. I just don't need an app that installs products for me. I download all my files in case I need to reinstall them and either DAZ site is down or I no longer have an internet connection for some reason.

    After I copy the installers to my main system I burn them to DVD as an archive - I'm about to burn DVDs 18 and 19 tonight.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...I gave up on DVDs as they can become corrupted . Lost a lot of freebies that way, some which are no longer available (like those from the old freebie vault here).

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    Superdog said:
    I don't like DIM at all. I much preferred DAZ History Manager because I could see all the products I owned. Alas it no longer exists. What I would like is a history manager that will display a thumbnail image of each product I own. I just don't need an app that installs products for me. I download all my files in case I need to reinstall them and either DAZ site is down or I no longer have an internet connection for some reason.

    Also, if there is going to be a download app it would be great if it could distinguish between different versions of DAZ Studio so that only PC files compatible with DS 4.5 were visible for example. It would be much easier to keep track of the right files to install then. DIM seems so basic and not very reliable. I just don't trust its accuracy.

    1) DAZ History Manager still exists, I use it as well as DIM as not everything is in DIM yet.
    2) You don't need to install with it if you don't want to, and whether you do or not you can save the files you download. A downloaded file is a downloaded file.
    3) DIM already allows you to specify files only for the version(s) and app(s) you want. Currently it only covers content, and since it uses zip there is no separate PC and Mac version. When plugins and software are covered you will be able to specify just Windows 64 bit, or 64 and 32 bit, or whatever combination of OS's you use.

    It's not at all as basic as you think.

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,144
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...I gave up on DVDs as they can become corrupted . Lost a lot of freebies that way, some which are no longer available (like those from the old freebie vault here).

    Yeah - I burn two AND run backups of the download directory on the workstation to 3 different hard drives.

    I've only had one CD (and no DVDs) go bad on me except by poor handling - but there's always that first time . . .:cheese:

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited March 2013

    ...mine were in a storage case untouched and when I had to restore everything after I replaced a dead HD I had failures on installing/extracting.

    I live in a fairly humid area so most likely that is what made them go bad. Flash drives may be a bit more expensive but they tend to be more stable.

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