[Solved] Is the Install Manager already mandatory?

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  • SuperdogSuperdog Posts: 765
    edited March 2013

    Superdog said:
    I don't like DIM at all. I much preferred DAZ History Manager because I could see all the products I owned. Alas it no longer exists. What I would like is a history manager that will display a thumbnail image of each product I own. I just don't need an app that installs products for me. I download all my files in case I need to reinstall them and either DAZ site is down or I no longer have an internet connection for some reason.

    Also, if there is going to be a download app it would be great if it could distinguish between different versions of DAZ Studio so that only PC files compatible with DS 4.5 were visible for example. It would be much easier to keep track of the right files to install then. DIM seems so basic and not very reliable. I just don't trust its accuracy.

    1) DAZ History Manager still exists, I use it as well as DIM as not everything is in DIM yet.
    2) You don't need to install with it if you don't want to, and whether you do or not you can save the files you download. A downloaded file is a downloaded file.
    3) DIM already allows you to specify files only for the version(s) and app(s) you want. Currently it only covers content, and since it uses zip there is no separate PC and Mac version. When plugins and software are covered you will be able to specify just Windows 64 bit, or 64 and 32 bit, or whatever combination of OS's you use.

    It's not at all as basic as you think.

    Ok, I'll give it another shot but I do prefer DHM. When I last used DHM it had expired but reading the latest notes I now see that this expiry date has been removed. Great news!

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  • murgatroyd314murgatroyd314 Posts: 1,514
    edited December 1969


    There is a 10 there, but its a dead item. Nothing pulls down.

    Add ?limit=50 to the end of the URL.
  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,144
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...mine were in a storage case untouched and when I had to restore everything after I replaced a dead HD I had failures on installing/extracting.

    I live in a fairly humid area so most likely that is what made them go bad. Flash drives may be a bit more expensive but they tend to be more stable.

    That can do it. I've seen examples of early recordable CD and DVD media where the reflective metallic layer delaminated or corroded due to humidity. The early media were stamped out of three-layer material and not sealed along the inside or outside edges. I think that's been changed some time ago, but have no way of knowing for sure.

    My big issue is static from a dry environment. I have humidity problems maybe three weeks a year (Northern Indiana).

  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 5,980
    edited December 1969

    I should be getting a new laptop in the next few days so the advent of DIM has been a god-send as far as I am concerned. It's quite scary seeing the number of products I have - especially as new ones keep getting entered into DIM.

    Where I do have an issue is the location of the installs. My current set-up is a bit of a lash-up (which is why I am, sort of, happy to build from scratch) so I am looking to having a stab at a reasonably sensible set of installs. The issue I seem to be facing with that is that unless I look inside each and every zip file I am not going to know if it is DAZ (.dsf, .duf, etc.) style content or Poser (.cr2, .pz2, etc.).

    I could manually install each zip as I go (which means I get to see what's inside and can direct the install to the 'right place') but doing that means I, in effect, lose the ability to uninstall. That's not too much of an issue, except when something 'hokey' happens with the content (such as some of the early morphs which required the files being removed by the uninstall before the new ones were installed). And, of course, manully installing that many files is going to be brain-numbing! I do have a plan/thought of what to do, which I will investigate when I am more awake.

    Out of curiosity, does the uninstall fully remove the metadata/CMS content? I messed up with one install and used it as an experiment, whereby I uninstalled and re-installed to a new location. Smart Content seemed to be pointing at the old location as it coudl not find the content. Going back to the old install location cleared the issue up.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited December 1969

    ...for me the task of building the custom runtimes on my new system is daunting, but I need full control over everything. To extract the file structures beforehand sound like a lot more work (and will take up more memory on the flash drive) than just transferring the installers to the workstation and running them there.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    SimonJM said:

    Where I do have an issue is the location of the installs. My current set-up is a bit of a lash-up (which is why I am, sort of, happy to build from scratch) so I am looking to having a stab at a reasonably sensible set of installs. The issue I seem to be facing with that is that unless I look inside each and every zip file I am not going to know if it is DAZ (.dsf, .duf, etc.) style content or Poser (.cr2, .pz2, etc.).

    You can select by tags -- if it's tagged for Poser, then you know it's in Poser formats.

    SimonJM said:

    I could manually install each zip as I go (which means I get to see what's inside and can direct the install to the 'right place') but doing that means I, in effect, lose the ability to uninstall. That's not too much of an issue, except when something 'hokey' happens with the content (such as some of the early morphs which required the files being removed by the uninstall before the new ones were installed). And, of course, manully installing that many files is going to be brain-numbing! I do have a plan/thought of what to do, which I will investigate when I am more awake.

    What I do, because I'm an OCD control freak, is unzip to a temporary location so I can see exactly what's there, and then install with DIM (or you could install to the temporary location with DIM, look it over, and then uninstall with DIM and reinstall in the correct location). Admittedly, that takes a lot longer than just mass-installing.


    Out of curiosity, does the uninstall fully remove the metadata/CMS content? I messed up with one install and used it as an experiment, whereby I uninstalled and re-installed to a new location. Smart Content seemed to be pointing at the old location as it coudl not find the content. Going back to the old install location cleared the issue up.

    DIM should fully remove the metadata when you uninstall, you can check the log file to see if there was a Valentina error, which I've seen on rare occasions, which could have prevented the uninstall of the metadata.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    Kyoto Kid said:
    ...for me the task of building the custom runtimes on my new system is daunting, but I need full control over everything. To extract the file structures beforehand sound like a lot more work (and will take up more memory on the flash drive) than just transferring the installers to the workstation and running them there.

    Forgive me if I've already asked you this, but why do you need to extract them beforehand? Transferring the zips takes less space then transferring the installers.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,036
    edited March 2013

    ...well not all the content is in.zip format yet.

    I use the term "extract" rather loosely.

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  • ledheadledhead Posts: 1,586
    edited March 2013

    An example of how I categorize my content using the DIM without moving any files.

    As you can see I allowed the DIM to install the content where it wanted to but am still able to organize the content to my liking without any problem.

    All of the items were originally under the Default category.

    As I install each item one at a time I am easily able to organize the content by dis-checking the link in the Default category after creating my subcategories and linking the items to the new categories.

    Being able to select several if not all of the items at one time makes it go rather quickly.

    Select the image to see how it is organized.

    DAZ_My_Library_Layout.jpg
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  • SimonJMSimonJM Posts: 5,980
    edited December 1969

    SimonJM said:

    Where I do have an issue is the location of the installs. My current set-up is a bit of a lash-up (which is why I am, sort of, happy to build from scratch) so I am looking to having a stab at a reasonably sensible set of installs. The issue I seem to be facing with that is that unless I look inside each and every zip file I am not going to know if it is DAZ (.dsf, .duf, etc.) style content or Poser (.cr2, .pz2, etc.).

    You can select by tags -- if it's tagged for Poser, then you know it's in Poser formats.

    I suspect that I,and others, have a bit of a learning curve toget to grips with what can, cannot, should and should notbe done with the various options and filters in the various DIM stages of downlaod and install. Your very logical suggestion would seem to hold great merit and will be one I will try - the great benefit of being in a 'tabula rasa' position :)

    SimonJM said:

    I could manually install each zip as I go (which means I get to see what's inside and can direct the install to the 'right place') but doing that means I, in effect, lose the ability to uninstall. That's not too much of an issue, except when something 'hokey' happens with the content (such as some of the early morphs which required the files being removed by the uninstall before the new ones were installed). And, of course, manully installing that many files is going to be brain-numbing! I do have a plan/thought of what to do, which I will investigate when I am more awake.

    What I do, because I'm an OCD control freak, is unzip to a temporary location so I can see exactly what's there, and then install with DIM (or you could install to the temporary location with DIM, look it over, and then uninstall with DIM and reinstall in the correct location). Admittedly, that takes a lot longer than just mass-installing.


    My current runtime/content is not of the best. I can appreciate all the work and the end results of a careful, methodical, organsied, structured plan of installation. But that is just not me! I suspect I'll end up with two install locations for DAZ/DIM content (one for .d?f, one for .?r2), plus one (or more) for 3rd party, based on a similar premise.


    Out of curiosity, does the uninstall fully remove the metadata/CMS content? I messed up with one install and used it as an experiment, whereby I uninstalled and re-installed to a new location. Smart Content seemed to be pointing at the old location as it coudl not find the content. Going back to the old install location cleared the issue up.

    DIM should fully remove the metadata when you uninstall, you can check the log file to see if there was a Valentina error, which I've seen on rare occasions, which could have prevented the uninstall of the metadata.

    Something I'll check for if it does leave bits behind that could be an issue. I did not really investigate the last time, but know that after the install/uninstall/re-install elsewhere the product had the yellow triangle error emblem in the Smart Content.

  • Miss BMiss B Posts: 3,071
    edited March 2013

    SimonJM said:

    I could manually install each zip as I go (which means I get to see what's inside and can direct the install to the 'right place') but doing that means I, in effect, lose the ability to uninstall. That's not too much of an issue, except when something 'hokey' happens with the content (such as some of the early morphs which required the files being removed by the uninstall before the new ones were installed). And, of course, manully installing that many files is going to be brain-numbing! I do have a plan/thought of what to do, which I will investigate when I am more awake.

    What I do, because I'm an OCD control freak, is unzip to a temporary location so I can see exactly what's there, and then install with DIM (or you could install to the temporary location with DIM, look it over, and then uninstall with DIM and reinstall in the correct location). Admittedly, that takes a lot longer than just mass-installing.
    I've been "installing" to my desktop with Bitrock for years, and then manually moving everything to the appropriate folder in my runtime and deleting the folder on my desktop, so I don't see any difference in doing it that way with DIM.

    The only difference is, now my "dummy" runtime is somewhere other than my desktop, and just copying everything to my working runtime and leaving the "dummy" where it is, DIM can detect what's installed and keep me up-to-date with any product updates. To me that's a win/win situation. ;-)

    Post edited by Miss B on
  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,144
    edited December 1969

    I use 7-zip on zip files. So I can just double-click the zip file and then browse the content in the 7-zip explorer window, without unzipping to disk at all. This doesn't work for looking at images in my set up, but I can look at file and directory structure.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,583
    edited December 1969

    Miss B said:
    SimonJM said:

    I could manually install each zip as I go (which means I get to see what's inside and can direct the install to the 'right place') but doing that means I, in effect, lose the ability to uninstall. That's not too much of an issue, except when something 'hokey' happens with the content (such as some of the early morphs which required the files being removed by the uninstall before the new ones were installed). And, of course, manully installing that many files is going to be brain-numbing! I do have a plan/thought of what to do, which I will investigate when I am more awake.

    What I do, because I'm an OCD control freak, is unzip to a temporary location so I can see exactly what's there, and then install with DIM (or you could install to the temporary location with DIM, look it over, and then uninstall with DIM and reinstall in the correct location). Admittedly, that takes a lot longer than just mass-installing.

    I've been "installing" to my desktop with Bitrock for years, and then manually moving everything to the appropriate folder in my runtime and deleting the folder on my desktop, so I don't see any difference in doing it that way with DIM.

    The only difference is, now my "dummy" runtime is somewhere other than my desktop, and just copying everything to my working runtime and leaving the "dummy" where it is, DIM can detect what's installed and keep me up-to-date with any product updates. To me that's a win/win situation. ;-)

    In fact, you don't even have to leave the dummy -- once it's installed an item, DIM can check for updates even if those files are deleted.

  • edited December 1969

    Today I reset the download again.

    Tried downloading one time with Firefox, the other time with Chrome.

    ...still not working:(

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    What are you trying to download?

  • edited December 1969

    ps_pe073_Aiko4TexturesDS.exe, the extra textures for Aiko4 with the Anime texture, from the Aiko4 Pro Bundle.

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    If you have tried several browsers, and you still can't get the file downloaded properly, I'm afraid you will have to open a Support ticket.

    Did you clear the Browser cache between downloads, otherwise it will probably just keep happening? There may be an error in the file, and a support ticket may be the best answer.

  • edited December 1969

    Yes, cleared.

    I'll try to open a support ticket... ehmmm... when I will find how to do it...

  • JimmyC_2009JimmyC_2009 Posts: 8,891
    edited December 1969

    Just click on Help > Contact Us at the top of the forum here.

    Nobody else can help, sorry.

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited December 1969

    For those that open the zips to see what's inside, not necessary.

    Right-click on a filename and select 'installer files'. The DIM gives you a list of all the files in the zip it will install or has installed, depending on which tab you are in (ready to install or installed).

  • edited December 1969

    Just click on Help > Contact Us at the top of the forum here.

    Nobody else can help, sorry.

    I'll try, thank you!

  • edited December 1969

    Solved! It was a Windows 8 issue! The helpdesk told me to set the Win7 compatibility, and it worked!

  • Consumer573Consumer573 Posts: 282
    edited December 1969


    There is a 10 there, but its a dead item. Nothing pulls down.

    Add ?limit=50 to the end of the URL.

    Ah! I think this is the trick! By extrapolation I should be able to add 100, 500, 750 etc.

    Thank you! I'll give it a try.

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