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titotitete_7dad143etitotitete_7dad143e Posts: 2
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Hello,
I use daz3d since a few weeks and i struggle a lot rendering with my 960GTX 2g (CPU i5 6500), it takes me like 4 hours to do a render with great lightning in HQ.
I saw this card KFA2 GeForce GTX 1060 OC, 6 Go, it's in my budget around 300e, do you think it would make a huge improvement or not that much ?  Any recommendation for an other gpu in that range of price ?
Thanks for the help (not my native language, doing my best :<)


 
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  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760

    Yes the GTX 1060 6GB is a very capable card.  Unfortunately the GTX 1060 and 1070 cards are selling at an inflated price because of crypto currnecy miners.
    Not sure what the exchange rate to your currency is right now (e = Euro?).  The 6GB GTX 1060 should sell for around $250 US.

    If you are willing to tough it out and save up some more money, the GTX 1080 or GTX 1080 it are much more powerfull cards, and will render much faster that the 1060

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,009

    For Iray you need to use at least a 4GB GPU to utilize it in Iray. If you have less than that you will only be using your processor

  • titotitete_7dad143etitotitete_7dad143e Posts: 2

    Thanks for the answers !
    Yes my budget is 350$ ~, i can't afford a GTX 1080 it's way too expensive...  :<
    When i do my render in Iray i can see my GPU and CPU at 100%, both seems to do the work, what does it means ?
    With a GTX 1060 how long do you think that kind of render would take me ? and my CPU still have a part in the procces ?  ( https://www.daz3d.com/galleryimage/image/96326/blonde-fairy-_full.jpg )

    Sorry i have a lot of question but i don't wanna messed up, it's lot of money for me. (-> i'm poor)

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760

    Provided that that's just a background image, and you are just rendering the lighting, character, cloths and accessories.

    GTX 1060 alone will probably get that done to 100% convergence in under 30min (probably less time, I'm just guessing here) (just rendering to the default 95% will probably get done in under 25min)
    The GTX 1060 is fast enough that if you add the CPU in it might shave off a min or two total (CPUs are not fast for Iray)

  • titotitete_7dad143etitotitete_7dad143e Posts: 2
    edited August 2017

    Thanks,
     edit: nvm

    Post edited by titotitete_7dad143e on
  • OlderkatOlderkat Posts: 38
    edited August 2017

    Hi, I have a Dell XPS 8500 Computer with Intel core i7-3770 processor (3.40GHz,8MB), memory 4x2GB 1600MHz DDR3 Dual Channel.

    with 1GB NVidia GeForce GT 640 Graphics card!

    I have been using DazStudio 4.9 pro (with regular updates via DIM) using the Iray Render is great but recently when trying to render average size images Daz Studio Stops Responding and quite often I have to close it down.

    Will I have to upgrade my graphics card or do I have an issue with DS

    Thanks

    Post edited by Olderkat on
  • AtanaciusAtanacius Posts: 333

    Hey, this topic is interesting, since myself I want move to another graphic card.

    Actually I have a nVidia GTX 550 Ti (1 GB memory)...
    And a i5 2400 3,10Ghz processor.
    I recently added 8GB RAM memory on my 8 existings, that's make now I have 16GB RAM.

    I would know if it's possible to use iRay better with that graphica card: Inno3D GeForce GTX 1060 Compact X1 - 3 GB
    (at least better than with my GTX 550 Ti, I think yes, but I would know if it's worthing purchase a 3GB graphica card instead of a 6GB to use iRay better than actual... ?)

    Thanks really for any answer fellows :)

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,077

    At this point, i think that buying any Nvidia GPU w/ <4GB isn't worth the money. I also conclude that any Ppascal based GPU <1070 isn't really worth the money.

    3D rendering is not for the faint of hardware.

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760
    edited August 2017

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

     

    @Olderkat  : You issue is most likely your video card.  1GB is the bare minimum that you can get away with for Iray rendering.  As far as GPU upgrades, the largest one dell sold as stock in that model was 170watts.  If you upgrade, your power supply should be able to handle anything up to a GTX 1070.

    Post edited by JamesJAB on
  • OlderkatOlderkat Posts: 38
    JamesJAB said:

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

     

    @Olderkat  : You issue is most likely your video card.  1GB is the bare minimum that you can get away with for Iray rendering.  As far as GPU upgrades, the largest one dell sold as stock in that model was 170watts.  If you upgrade, your power supply should be able to handle anything up to a GTX 1070.

    Many thanks for the info, I will certainly look into the power unit and card!

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760
    Olderkat said:
    JamesJAB said:

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

     

    @Olderkat  : You issue is most likely your video card.  1GB is the bare minimum that you can get away with for Iray rendering.  As far as GPU upgrades, the largest one dell sold as stock in that model was 170watts.  If you upgrade, your power supply should be able to handle anything up to a GTX 1070.

    Many thanks for the info, I will certainly look into the power unit and card!

    That sentence read kinda strange. Let me try again.
    If you upgrade. (break)  Anything up to and including a GTX 1070 will work on your curent power supply.

  • OlderkatOlderkat Posts: 38
    edited August 2017
    JamesJAB said:
    Olderkat said:
    JamesJAB said:

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

     

    @Olderkat  : You issue is most likely your video card.  1GB is the bare minimum that you can get away with for Iray rendering.  As far as GPU upgrades, the largest one dell sold as stock in that model was 170watts.  If you upgrade, your power supply should be able to handle anything up to a GTX 1070.

    Many thanks for the info, I will certainly look into the power unit and card!

    That sentence read kinda strange. Let me try again.
    If you upgrade. (break)  Anything up to and including a GTX 1070 will work on your curent power supply.

     

    I'm Deciding on the GTX 1050ti with 4GB, Plus an updated power supply probably 640w, the old power unit 170w. My question is with the bigger power unit would my existing CPU (i7-3770 processer (3.40 GHz)) over heat, will I have to upgrade that as well?

    Thanks for any info.

    Post edited by Olderkat on
  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,588

    Power supplies only supply the amount called for, it won't overheat anything. smiley

  • OlderkatOlderkat Posts: 38
    prixat said:

    Power supplies only supply the amount called for, it won't overheat anything. smiley

    Thanks for the info.laugh

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760

    According to the Dell spec sheet, your machine should have shipped with a 430w, but it never hurts to update to a new one.

  • OlderkatOlderkat Posts: 38
    edited August 2017
    JamesJAB said:

    According to the Dell spec sheet, your machine should have shipped with a 430w, but it never hurts to update to a new one.

    I.ve looked at the specs for the EVGA GeForce GTX 8500 Ti with 4GB memory what  has confused me (and it don't take much) is that it requires two slots to connect, in my Dell XPS 8500 I have only one slot and no others. Does it mean that it will fit in one slot and make another obselete or will it have to fit into two slots?  

    Thank you blush

    Post edited by Olderkat on
  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,588

    I think you mean the 1050Ti (not the 8500) smiley

    Yes, '2 slots wide' just means it overhangs and blocks that next slot.

  • OlderkatOlderkat Posts: 38
    edited August 2017
    prixat said:

    I think you mean the 1050Ti (not the 8500) smiley

    Yes, '2 slots wide' just means it overhangs and blocks that next slot.

    Yes Thank you, I said I get confused sad

    Thank you for all your help much appreciated  smiley

    Post edited by Olderkat on
  • AtanaciusAtanacius Posts: 333
    JamesJAB said:

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

    First, thanks for your answer.
    I'm not only a 3D posing render, I'm a web-developper, so sometimes, when I have time ... for hobbie purpose I also play with recent games in mind like Black Desert Online (my graphic card is a bit outdated), Overwatch etc..
    So, I'm asking myself if the nVidia 1050 GTX Ti will let me playing to games also like a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB will did..
    Then, If I purchase a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB it's better than the 1050 GTX Ti for DAZ Studio renders/games simultaneously no?

    Sorry for asking this kind of question, but I want know since I fully rework on my setup, I recently improved RAM (like I said), Mouse/Keyboard too.
    Added some new external hard-drive (2TB each), now I want concentrate on Graphic Card update, so, what do you think @JamesJAB / Other people ? ;)

    Thanks for answer !!

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,143
    Olderkat said:
    prixat said:

    I think you mean the 1050Ti (not the 8500) smiley

    Yes, '2 slots wide' just means it overhangs and blocks that next slot.

    Yes Thank you, I said I get confused sad

    Thank you for all your help much appreciated  smiley

    Be aware that it not only blocks the second slot, it has connectors that require a second slot opening in the case.

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760

    Your motherboard has 1 PCI-E 16x slot for your video card and 3 PCI-E 1x size slots.  I can't imagine that you would have more than 1 or 2 card

    Atanacius said:
    JamesJAB said:

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

    First, thanks for your answer.
    I'm not only a 3D posing render, I'm a web-developper, so sometimes, when I have time ... for hobbie purpose I also play with recent games in mind like Black Desert Online (my graphic card is a bit outdated), Overwatch etc..
    So, I'm asking myself if the nVidia 1050 GTX Ti will let me playing to games also like a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB will did..
    Then, If I purchase a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB it's better than the 1050 GTX Ti for DAZ Studio renders/games simultaneously no?

    Sorry for asking this kind of question, but I want know since I fully rework on my setup, I recently improved RAM (like I said), Mouse/Keyboard too.
    Added some new external hard-drive (2TB each), now I want concentrate on Graphic Card update, so, what do you think @JamesJAB / Other people ? ;)

    Thanks for answer !!

    The GTX 1060 6GB is better than the GTX 1050 ti in every way.

    • VRAM - GTX 1060 6GB wins with 50% more RAM
    • Cuda Cores - GTX 1060 wins with 1280 (66% more then the 1050 ti)
    • Clock Speed - GTX 1060 wins with 1506Mhz base clock (16.7% higher than the GTX 1050 ti)

    The only reason to choose a GTX 1050 ti over the 1060 is if you need a lower power usage card.

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,009
    edited August 2017

    Yeah but that comes with a a bigger price tag when people only have so much. My kids are in the same situation. Both want new GPU's and both were looking at 1060's but can only afford the 1050's. So numbers and stats aren't everything.

    Post edited by frank0314 on
  • AtanaciusAtanacius Posts: 333
    JamesJAB said:

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

    First, thanks for your answer.
    I'm not only a 3D posing render, I'm a web-developper, so sometimes, when I have time ... for hobbie purpose I also play with recent games in mind like Black Desert Online (my graphic card is a bit outdated), Overwatch etc..
    So, I'm asking myself if the nVidia 1050 GTX Ti will let me playing to games also like a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB will did..
    Then, If I purchase a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB it's better than the 1050 GTX Ti for DAZ Studio renders/games simultaneously no?

    Sorry for asking this kind of question, but I want know since I fully rework on my setup, I recently improved RAM (like I said), Mouse/Keyboard too.
    Added some new external hard-drive (2TB each), now I want concentrate on Graphic Card update, so, what do you think @JamesJAB / Other people ? ;)

    Thanks for answer !!

    JamesJAB said:

    Your motherboard has 1 PCI-E 16x slot for your video card and 3 PCI-E 1x size slots.  I can't imagine that you would have more than 1 or 2 card

    Atanacius said:
    JamesJAB said:

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

    First, thanks for your answer.
    I'm not only a 3D posing render, I'm a web-developper, so sometimes, when I have time ... for hobbie purpose I also play with recent games in mind like Black Desert Online (my graphic card is a bit outdated), Overwatch etc..
    So, I'm asking myself if the nVidia 1050 GTX Ti will let me playing to games also like a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB will did..
    Then, If I purchase a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB it's better than the 1050 GTX Ti for DAZ Studio renders/games simultaneously no?

    Sorry for asking this kind of question, but I want know since I fully rework on my setup, I recently improved RAM (like I said), Mouse/Keyboard too.
    Added some new external hard-drive (2TB each), now I want concentrate on Graphic Card update, so, what do you think @JamesJAB / Other people ? ;)

    Thanks for answer !!

    The GTX 1060 6GB is better than the GTX 1050 ti in every way.

    • VRAM - GTX 1060 6GB wins with 50% more RAM
    • Cuda Cores - GTX 1060 wins with 1280 (66% more then the 1050 ti)
    • Clock Speed - GTX 1060 wins with 1506Mhz base clock (16.7% higher than the GTX 1050 ti)

    The only reason to choose a GTX 1050 ti over the 1060 is if you need a lower power usage card.

    Nice answer @JamesJAB.
    So, did you think that power supply I have actually will be sufficient for the nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB ?
    Because if you can assure at 90% at least the nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB will be compatible with my processor (i5 2400 3.10Ghz) and my current power supply that is this one: http://www.corsair.com/en-ww/builder-series-cx400
    I will be glad to purchase and setup the nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB instead of nVidia 1050 GTX Ti 4GB.

    Thanks for answer, I'm impatient to know!

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760
    Atanacius said:
    JamesJAB said:

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

    First, thanks for your answer.
    I'm not only a 3D posing render, I'm a web-developper, so sometimes, when I have time ... for hobbie purpose I also play with recent games in mind like Black Desert Online (my graphic card is a bit outdated), Overwatch etc..
    So, I'm asking myself if the nVidia 1050 GTX Ti will let me playing to games also like a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB will did..
    Then, If I purchase a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB it's better than the 1050 GTX Ti for DAZ Studio renders/games simultaneously no?

    Sorry for asking this kind of question, but I want know since I fully rework on my setup, I recently improved RAM (like I said), Mouse/Keyboard too.
    Added some new external hard-drive (2TB each), now I want concentrate on Graphic Card update, so, what do you think @JamesJAB / Other people ? ;)

    Thanks for answer !!

    JamesJAB said:

    Your motherboard has 1 PCI-E 16x slot for your video card and 3 PCI-E 1x size slots.  I can't imagine that you would have more than 1 or 2 card

    Atanacius said:
    JamesJAB said:

    @Atanacius : No it is not worth getting anything with less than 4GB of VRAM for Iray rendering.  Even on my setup with a 6GB GTX 1060 it will still drop to CPU rendering if my scenes get complex, or if I render at too high of a resolution.
    Honestly, you will probably be happier with a 4GB GTX 1050ti.  While it will render slower than the 1060 3GB you will have that extra Gig of VRAM for larger scenes.

    First, thanks for your answer.
    I'm not only a 3D posing render, I'm a web-developper, so sometimes, when I have time ... for hobbie purpose I also play with recent games in mind like Black Desert Online (my graphic card is a bit outdated), Overwatch etc..
    So, I'm asking myself if the nVidia 1050 GTX Ti will let me playing to games also like a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB will did..
    Then, If I purchase a nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB it's better than the 1050 GTX Ti for DAZ Studio renders/games simultaneously no?

    Sorry for asking this kind of question, but I want know since I fully rework on my setup, I recently improved RAM (like I said), Mouse/Keyboard too.
    Added some new external hard-drive (2TB each), now I want concentrate on Graphic Card update, so, what do you think @JamesJAB / Other people ? ;)

    Thanks for answer !!

    The GTX 1060 6GB is better than the GTX 1050 ti in every way.

    • VRAM - GTX 1060 6GB wins with 50% more RAM
    • Cuda Cores - GTX 1060 wins with 1280 (66% more then the 1050 ti)
    • Clock Speed - GTX 1060 wins with 1506Mhz base clock (16.7% higher than the GTX 1050 ti)

    The only reason to choose a GTX 1050 ti over the 1060 is if you need a lower power usage card.

    Nice answer @JamesJAB.
    So, did you think that power supply I have actually will be sufficient for the nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB ?
    Because if you can assure at 90% at least the nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB will be compatible with my processor (i5 2400 3.10Ghz) and my current power supply that is this one: http://www.corsair.com/en-ww/builder-series-cx400
    I will be glad to purchase and setup the nVidia 1060 GTX 6GB instead of nVidia 1050 GTX Ti 4GB.

    Thanks for answer, I'm impatient to know!

    Yes, get the GTX 1060 6GB.  Normaly I would recomend a little larger power supply, but yours is a good brand and it is rated for continuous use at 400w output.
    The GPU will be compatible with your CPU/Motherboard.

  • AtanaciusAtanacius Posts: 333
    JamesJAB said:

    Yes, get the GTX 1060 6GB.  Normaly I would recomend a little larger power supply, but yours is a good brand and it is rated for continuous use at 400w output.
    The GPU will be compatible with your CPU/Motherboard.

    Thanks for your quick answer @JamesJAB !

    I actually think about two products, which one is better to purchase?
    (if you don't know it's not a problem, you currently had helped me so much!)

    - GeForce GTX 1060 iChill X3 - 6 Gb
    or:
    - GeForce Asus GeForce GTX 1060 Dual - 6 Gb

    The only differences with this two is numbers of FANS (x3 in the first, x2 in the second) and GPU frequency/Graphic Memory frequency.

    Also, the second is more expensive than the first (curious).

    Anyway, just for know, if you can't answer, again, it's nothing, you helped so much already!
     

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760

    Honestly, GPU maufacurers tend to not make much sense when trying to compare prices between cards with the same GPU.
    Check the clock speed and memory speed, one might have a factory overclock.

  • AtanaciusAtanacius Posts: 333
    JamesJAB said:

    Honestly, GPU maufacurers tend to not make much sense when trying to compare prices between cards with the same GPU.
    Check the clock speed and memory speed, one might have a factory overclock.

    Ah thanks @JamesJAB, it was in fact a HDMI additionnal port in the second graphic card!

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760

    HDMI and Display port are interchangable via a physical plug adapter that just rearanges the pins to match the plugs.  To a lesser extent you can toss DVI-D into the mix (if you run 1080p or lower on your screen.)

  • OlderkatOlderkat Posts: 38
    edited August 2017
    namffuak said:
    Olderkat said:
    prixat said:

    I think you mean the 1050Ti (not the 8500) smiley

    Yes, '2 slots wide' just means it overhangs and blocks that next slot.

    Yes Thank you, I said I get confused sad

     

    Olderkat said:

    Thank you for all your help much appreciated  smiley

    Be aware that it not only blocks the second slot, it has connectors that require a second slot opening in the case.

    The Card fitted perfectly I thought that with the new PSU (EVGA ATX 650w) everything will be great BUT my new Graphics card is not recognised I loaded the latest Driver but it would not load although the card has been running on the windows basic driver and Dazstudio would not open due to the very low Open GL 1.1.

    so now I back with my old GeForce GT 640 1GB and I now have non usable GeForce GTX 1050Ti  4GB crying

    Post edited by Olderkat on
  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,402
    Olderkat said:
    namffuak said:
    Olderkat said:
    prixat said:

    I think you mean the 1050Ti (not the 8500) smiley

    Yes, '2 slots wide' just means it overhangs and blocks that next slot.

    Yes Thank you, I said I get confused sad

     

    Olderkat said:

    Thank you for all your help much appreciated  smiley

    Be aware that it not only blocks the second slot, it has connectors that require a second slot opening in the case.

    The Card fitted perfectly I thought that with the new PSU (EVGA ATX 650w) everything will be great BUT my new Graphics card is not recognised I loaded the latest Driver but it would not load although the card has been running on the windows basic driver and Dazstudio would not open due to the very low Open GL 1.1.

    so now I back with my old GeForce GT 640 1GB and I now have non usable GeForce GTX 1050Ti  4GB crying

    I'm using a 1050Ti 4GB, which version of DS have you got installed.

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